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Post by rydndirty on Dec 21, 2009 23:30:29 GMT -5
Since Sheamus beat Cena (and shocked a lot of people, by the way) he has been forgotten. Now hear me out...
On the "Slammys" all he did was accept an award and cut a short promo. Maybe he hurt himself the night before? Whatever the reason, short promo, posing with belt in the middle of the show. Big deal. Show ends with Cena winning "Superstar of the Year."
Tonight, hardly any mention of the new champ until MVP pops in to get a match with him. Takes apart MVP in a nice little match, in the middle of the show. Show ends with Horny and DX chopping with fake snow falling in neon lights. One of the worst RAWs in recent memory.
I mean, does the 'E really want people to not care about their champ? Is it because there was more time than normal between PPVs?
I hate using the word "Bury" when talking about someone who is pushed to the moon. But, is Sheamus on the way to being the worst World Champ since Rey Rey?
Feel free to discuss.
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Post by Irish Nightmare on Dec 21, 2009 23:32:50 GMT -5
What's the point of a transitional champion if the champion before and after is the same guy? You can't say that it's to satisfy the IWC who want the title on someone other than Orton or Cena or whoever, 'cause if that was the case, they wouldn't make the guy drop the title in 2 weeks.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 21, 2009 23:33:03 GMT -5
Good.
And I liken his reign so far to Big Shows...you remember, don't ya? When he was opening up RAW and having 5 Star matches with Viscera?
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Post by thuschongswing on Dec 21, 2009 23:33:19 GMT -5
Well, that's pretty much what happens when you put the top prize on a midcarder...a LOWER midcarder at that. He gets lost in the shuffle faster than the Redskins offensive line trying to stop Mathias Kiwanuka.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Dec 21, 2009 23:33:23 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Sheamus' reign feels more like a "how long until Cena gets the title back," rather than Sheamus being pushed as a legit champion.
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Post by italliansausagepat on Dec 21, 2009 23:38:19 GMT -5
Good. And I liken his reign so far to Big Shows...you remember, don't ya? When he was opening up RAW and having 5 Star matches with Viscera? You are talking about my favorite match? www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEARkSbZ3Lw
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2009 23:38:28 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Sheamus' reign feels more like a "how long until Cena gets the title back," rather than Sheamus being pushed as a legit champion. Considering that I don't buy Sheamus as legit in the FIRST place, that's not a bad thing.
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Post by The Tank on Dec 21, 2009 23:38:57 GMT -5
No, Sheamus's reign is already better than Rey Mysterio's.
How so, you ask? Sheamus has actually won a non-title match while champion.
Still, wouldn't kill 'em to give him a little more TV time. He is only the holder of the most important title on Raw.
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Post by Tombi on Dec 21, 2009 23:39:07 GMT -5
You have looked around this forum, right? Even with Sheamus being as featured as he currently is people are complaining like mad. Can you imagine how bad it would be if he was actually being shoved down people's throats?
They're taking their time on it because people aren't used to him, "easing him in" so to speak. If they just had him takeover the show it would alienate quite a few people, pretty smart business actually. So yeah, I like how its gone so far, and I also like that Cena wasn't straight in there with the rematch or any random brawling that would ruin the second encounter.
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Post by rydndirty on Dec 21, 2009 23:46:08 GMT -5
You have looked around this forum, right? Even with Sheamus being as featured as he currently is people are complaining like mad. Can you imagine how bad it would be if he was actually being shoved down people's throats? They're taking their time on it because people aren't used to him, "easing him in" so to speak. If they just had him takeover the show it would alienate quite a few people, pretty smart business actually. So yeah, I like how its gone so far, and I also like that Cena wasn't straight in there with the rematch or any random brawling that would ruin the second encounter. No, winning the biggest title on RAW in a match no one expected him to win and then being on TV for a cool 2 minutes the next night is not good for business. I think they could have done something with him and it wouldn't have been being shoved down people's throats. You know, like Cena was. I mean, a 7 minute promo apologizing for losing and promising spoiling that he won't lose until he gets the title back is shoving down people's throats. By the way, the show ended with Cena winning and posing. No, no you are right. Sheamus is probably the one they are shoving down our throats. C'mon, man.
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Post by SenorCrest on Dec 21, 2009 23:47:00 GMT -5
You have looked around this forum, right? Even with Sheamus being as featured as he currently is people are complaining like mad. Can you imagine how bad it would be if he was actually being shoved down people's throats? They're taking their time on it because people aren't used to him, "easing him in" so to speak. If they just had him takeover the show it would alienate quite a few people, pretty smart business actually. So yeah, I like how its gone so far, and I also like that Cena wasn't straight in there with the rematch or any random brawling that would ruin the second encounter. I like this. Sounds good.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 21, 2009 23:50:20 GMT -5
One of the things I hate about the over the top babyface announce team with Cole and Lawler is they end up burying a heel unnecessarily. A Jesse Ventura style announcer would have pointed out that Sheamus just had a match, so why would he want to put up the title against Cena, to make him look less of a coward, and more of a smart champion.
Anyway, he was sort of seen as an afterthought, and the crowd really wasn't that against him, so that was a bit of a problem.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 21, 2009 23:53:11 GMT -5
Still the only reason I even bothered to try and tune in. So yeah I was doubly disapointed by this shitty Raw. 'Worthy' of the title or not, I like ol' Sheamus, and would like a better run, that we prolly ain't gonna get.
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Dec 21, 2009 23:54:50 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Sheamus' reign feels more like a "how long until Cena gets the title back," rather than Sheamus being pushed as a legit champion. This is exactly my problem with it. If WWE actually had confidence in Sheamus and keep the belt on him for a while, it might be pretty cool to see where it leads. But I think we all know what will end up happening.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Dec 21, 2009 23:56:22 GMT -5
They could at least put the fella's name on the belt if we're supposed to believe he'll be the champ for any length of time. How much can it cost to get 7 letters engraved on a nameplate?
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Post by Tombi on Dec 22, 2009 0:00:23 GMT -5
You have looked around this forum, right? Even with Sheamus being as featured as he currently is people are complaining like mad. Can you imagine how bad it would be if he was actually being shoved down people's throats? They're taking their time on it because people aren't used to him, "easing him in" so to speak. If they just had him takeover the show it would alienate quite a few people, pretty smart business actually. So yeah, I like how its gone so far, and I also like that Cena wasn't straight in there with the rematch or any random brawling that would ruin the second encounter. No, winning the biggest title on RAW in a match no one expected him to win and then being on TV for a cool 2 minutes the next night is not good for business. I think they could have done something with him and it wouldn't have been being shoved down people's throats. You know, like Cena was. I mean, a 7 minute promo apologizing for losing and promising spoiling that he won't lose until he gets the title back is shoving down people's throats. By the way, the show ended with Cena winning and posing. No, no you are right. Sheamus is probably the one they are shoving down our throats. C'mon, man. Don't misquote me please, I never said anything of the sort. My point was quite the opposite in that Sheamus is deliberately utilized sparsely to avoid said throat-shoving; whist Cena is the one given the seven minute promo because he's a proven commodity that the crowd won't crap on. You can complain all you want, but the crowd were loving him (possibly too much so) and they're not guaranteed to do the same for Sheamus. I'm not saying Sheamus shouldn't be given more focus, he definitely should - but just not right now. A big part of Sheamus' run is that he hasn't actually moved up the ranks and the fans barely know him - and WWE aren't keen to change that so they can make maximum profits from the rematch. (which is supposedly on TV, but we'll see where that goes) However, if Sheamus loses the rematch and goes straight to midcard for a year or so - I'll give you the argument of a bad build, right now it just looks pretty safe rather than bad.
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Post by corndog on Dec 22, 2009 0:01:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily say they are burying his title reign. He did beat MVP pretty easily, the guy actually won the title from Cena regardless of not pinning/winning by submission, he certainly doesn't look weak. It is pretty obvious he isn't the biggest star on the show, but I think that has more to do with the fact that he is just isn't as big of a draw as Cena, HBK, and HHH. I just hope he doesn't just job the belt back to Cena, it would be nice to see someone else take the belt off of him and Cena gets his payback after Sheamus losses the belt, or even causes him to lose the title.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 22, 2009 0:02:20 GMT -5
Are they trying. No. They're just totally incompetent at booking.
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 22, 2009 0:10:07 GMT -5
What did he do on RAW tonight? I missed the last half of the show.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 22, 2009 0:15:49 GMT -5
What he's done: - Beat Cena
- Won Breakout Star and cut a promo about doing something Steamboat, Perfect & other HOF'ers never did.
- Came out later and had a stare down with Cena to end the show
- Squashes MVP & has another staredown with Cena this tiem in ring and smartly backs away after Cena wants his rematch.
I wouldn't say that is a buried title run. I mean we all know DX will be head of the WWE Title right now because Sheamus isn't on the level with DX.
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