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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 15, 2009 23:39:45 GMT -5
So Now WWE= The entire? Seriously when did that happen? I don't remember NOAH being put out and Kenta retiring. Perhaps you could provide me with a link of some kind? Oh and did dannielson retire too?Because I heard he just signed a contract with the WWE but heh I can't blame him if he wants to retire. Though I think he's only like 30 so it'd be sort of strange. So let me get this straight, a guy no one outside of Japan can name and no one who doesnt follow the indy scene can name > Cena I'm not from Japan
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Post by jerishow on Dec 15, 2009 23:40:27 GMT -5
As long as kids keep thinking that spinny things are cool this stupid ass belt will be around And yet I must point out: the belt's centerplate hasn't spun in a LONG time. Doesn't matter one bit. Kids are smart enough to realize if mommy and daddy shill some greenbacks that they can get the belt to spin. When I was younger I didn't like the cool statue of batman that just stood there. I liked the one that could shoot a missle off his f***ing back
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 16, 2009 0:19:29 GMT -5
Well, if the Big Gold Belt can stand the test of time, why can't any of the WWF/WWE's past (and superior to the spinner) designs? Because they're not new designs. If you want something new then you can't have something that is old. And the Big Gold belt has been used constantly for the mostpart outside of a few legal problems over who the exact owner was. They haven't changed it 4 times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 0:59:47 GMT -5
I still can't believe people still complain about this. Definitely ranges high on the list of most meaningless things the IWC nags about. The vast majority of people couldn't give two shakes of a rat's ass what the belt looked like.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 16, 2009 1:03:13 GMT -5
I still can't believe people still complain about this. Definitely ranges high on the list of most meaningless things the IWC nags about. The vast majority of people couldn't give two shakes of a rat's ass what the belt looked like. Yes, it is completely meaningless. May as well have them come out with a monkey if they win a wwe title. At least that will be entertaining
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 16, 2009 1:06:33 GMT -5
I still can't believe people still complain about this. Definitely ranges high on the list of most meaningless things the IWC nags about. The vast majority of people couldn't give two shakes of a rat's ass what the belt looked like. Yes, it is completely meaningless. May as well have them come out with a monkey if they win a wwe title. At least that will be entertaining Chris Masters or Mark Henry (former was called Orangutang by JBL, latter called himself a Silverback)
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Post by sloride on Dec 16, 2009 4:33:39 GMT -5
To answer the original question Trips addressed this in a recent interview. He said 'whilst he would love to Vince wont as they just signed a new deal with Mattel.'
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 16, 2009 4:36:14 GMT -5
I still can't believe people still complain about this. Definitely ranges high on the list of most meaningless things the IWC nags about. The vast majority of people couldn't give two shakes of a rat's ass what the belt looked like. Then why did you enter the thread?
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Post by Ralnathane on Dec 16, 2009 5:50:06 GMT -5
To answer the original question Trips addressed this in a recent interview. He said 'whilst he would love to Vince wont as they just signed a new deal with Mattel.' This.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 16, 2009 7:23:05 GMT -5
To answer the original question Trips addressed this in a recent interview. He said 'whilst he would love to Vince wont as they just signed a new deal with Mattel.' Dammit Trips, use your politicing for the forces of good!
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Post by metylerca on Dec 16, 2009 11:51:20 GMT -5
When I was younger I didn't like the cool statue of batman that just stood there. I liked the one that could shoot a missle off his f***ing back And you think it's bad that there's something geared toward kids in WWE? It's just a belt.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 16, 2009 11:57:59 GMT -5
When I was younger I didn't like the cool statue of batman that just stood there. I liked the one that could shoot a missle off his f***ing back And you think it's bad that there's something geared toward kids in WWE? It's just a belt. I already answered this above
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Post by hajimenoippo on Dec 16, 2009 12:02:09 GMT -5
Biggest heel move ever.
Edge promises a new belt design.
Instead he introduces a new spinner.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 16, 2009 12:02:26 GMT -5
And you think it's bad that there's something geared toward kids in WWE? It's just a belt. I already answered this above Ok. Yes, it is completely meaningless. May as well have them come out with a monkey if they win a wwe title. At least that will be entertaining I'm not saying it's meaningless, but what I am saying is that there is a bigger audience, and sure it's made up mostly of children, that like the belt. The IWC represents a vocal minority, just because they disapprove of a belt doesn't mean it should be changed. Just as someone posted above, they signed a deal with Mattel to market the belt some more. So if that's the case, then why bring back a belt from 20 years ago to please a few guys on the internet? That would be stupid.
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Post by Ragnal on Dec 16, 2009 12:06:03 GMT -5
I already answered this above Ok. Yes, it is completely meaningless. May as well have them come out with a monkey if they win a wwe title. At least that will be entertaining I'm not saying it's meaningless, but what I am saying is that there is a bigger audience, and sure it's made up mostly of children, that like the belt. The IWC represents a vocal minority, just because they disapprove of a belt doesn't mean it should be changed. Just as someone posted above, they signed a deal with Mattel to market the belt some more. So if that's the case, then why bring back a belt from 20 years ago to please a few guys on the internet? That would be stupid. Just so we're clear here, IWC=the whole freakin' internet that goes onto wrestling forums and talks wrestling, NOT just smarks in general. Thus, you're also part of the IWC. That said, it's been four years, I'm sure WWE's going to eventually change the title sometime soon, maybe in the next two or three years. If not, we can wait patiently for a new one.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 16, 2009 12:09:55 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not saying it's meaningless, but what I am saying is that there is a bigger audience, and sure it's made up mostly of children, that like the belt. The IWC represents a vocal minority, just because they disapprove of a belt doesn't mean it should be changed. Just as someone posted above, they signed a deal with Mattel to market the belt some more. So if that's the case, then why bring back a belt from 20 years ago to please a few guys on the internet? That would be stupid. Just so we're clear here, IWC=the whole freakin' internet that goes onto wrestling forums and talks wrestling, NOT just smarks in general. Thus, you're also part of the IWC. That said, it's been four years, I'm sure WWE's going to eventually change the title sometime soon, maybe in the next two or three years. If not, we can wait patiently for a new one. Yeah, I'm aware of that. But of that minority of people we all fall into, there's a smaller portion of that that hates the belt actively. So why change it to please few, when it's perfectly fine to pretty much all the rest?
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Post by angryfan on Dec 16, 2009 12:16:46 GMT -5
I already answered this above Ok. Yes, it is completely meaningless. May as well have them come out with a monkey if they win a wwe title. At least that will be entertaining I'm not saying it's meaningless, but what I am saying is that there is a bigger audience, and sure it's made up mostly of children, that like the belt. The IWC represents a vocal minority, just because they disapprove of a belt doesn't mean it should be changed. Just as someone posted above, they signed a deal with Mattel to market the belt some more. So if that's the case, then why bring back a belt from 20 years ago to please a few guys on the internet? That would be stupid. Majority rules, fine, let's go with that. WHen The Rock and Austin has "personalized" titles, the crowd popped huge for them and replicas sold well. Yet the personalized version wasn't kept for everyone dispite that fact. However, now that the "vocal minority" who are in the targetted age demographic of their advertisers and network, and who tend to have more personal financial control of where their money goes, suddenly it's a case of this minority being told "it doesn't matter, you're not the ones the comapny is aiming at". The spinner/blinged out title, to me, is indicitive of a short-term business mentality. It's the cool thing "right now" (where right now is actually several years ago, but that's par for the course) and, even if the trend falters (as it has done to an extent), the business decision is "ride it out until it dies completely". This makes sense, as Vince has been known to beat a dead horse if he can make a buck off of it, but by doing so more current trends in pop culture may be ignored that would, in all reality, foster more income than riding a dying trend. Keeping the bling belt replicas available at shopzone is one thing, but if they changed the design, knowing that retro is starting to make a comeback (again, as it alway does), there is a market for a second replica belt based off of a new design that fits that trend as well. This way, you continue to sell the replicas you have been moving in addition to the replicas of the new belt. As one weins, one will peak, bringing in more money in the long run.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 16, 2009 12:26:04 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not saying it's meaningless, but what I am saying is that there is a bigger audience, and sure it's made up mostly of children, that like the belt. The IWC represents a vocal minority, just because they disapprove of a belt doesn't mean it should be changed. Just as someone posted above, they signed a deal with Mattel to market the belt some more. So if that's the case, then why bring back a belt from 20 years ago to please a few guys on the internet? That would be stupid. Majority rules, fine, let's go with that. WHen The Rock and Austin has "personalized" titles, the crowd popped huge for them and replicas sold well. Yet the personalized version wasn't kept for everyone dispite that fact. However, now that the "vocal minority" who are in the targetted age demographic of their advertisers and network, and who tend to have more personal financial control of where their money goes, suddenly it's a case of this minority being told "it doesn't matter, you're not the ones the comapny is aiming at". The spinner/blinged out title, to me, is indicitive of a short-term business mentality. It's the cool thing "right now" (where right now is actually several years ago, but that's par for the course) and, even if the trend falters (as it has done to an extent), the business decision is "ride it out until it dies completely". This makes sense, as Vince has been known to beat a dead horse if he can make a buck off of it, but by doing so more current trends in pop culture may be ignored that would, in all reality, foster more income than riding a dying trend. Keeping the bling belt replicas available at shopzone is one thing, but if they changed the design, knowing that retro is starting to make a comeback (again, as it alway does), there is a market for a second replica belt based off of a new design that fits that trend as well. This way, you continue to sell the replicas you have been moving in addition to the replicas of the new belt. As one weins, one will peak, bringing in more money in the long run. I'm willing to bet the bank that there's far far more people in the 18-49 demographic, who watch wrestling, who don't talk about it on the internet. And of those, there's only a percentage there who care enough to talk about the belts. And in that percentage, there's only a certain number of people who hate the spinner belt. And even in that, there's an even smaller amount of people who take the time to complain about the spinner belt. Still with me? So my question again is why would they cater to a crowd of maybe 20,000 people out there who actively hate the spinner title? It's obvious that since it's still around, it's what they like and what they're going with for this generation of WWE. I back this up by stating that even after Cena lost it, the design was kept as the new 'official' design of the title. It's not as though they forgot that the title was still blinged out, they just kept it that way because it worked for them. Let's not forget it sells like hotcakes. The argument of 'the people that want the spinner title can always buy it online as replicas later" is no different than me saying that the people who are longing for the old school Winged Eagle belt or the Attitude Era belt can easily find it online so they can buy their own. Yet, the same people saying that are the ones making threads begging WWE to revert to the old design from when they were all kids. And... somewhere in there, WWE's plans for something don't mean a thing if they don't please a few thousand people out there who complain about everything. It makes no sense.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 16, 2009 12:37:24 GMT -5
Majority rules, fine, let's go with that. WHen The Rock and Austin has "personalized" titles, the crowd popped huge for them and replicas sold well. Yet the personalized version wasn't kept for everyone dispite that fact. However, now that the "vocal minority" who are in the targetted age demographic of their advertisers and network, and who tend to have more personal financial control of where their money goes, suddenly it's a case of this minority being told "it doesn't matter, you're not the ones the comapny is aiming at". The spinner/blinged out title, to me, is indicitive of a short-term business mentality. It's the cool thing "right now" (where right now is actually several years ago, but that's par for the course) and, even if the trend falters (as it has done to an extent), the business decision is "ride it out until it dies completely". This makes sense, as Vince has been known to beat a dead horse if he can make a buck off of it, but by doing so more current trends in pop culture may be ignored that would, in all reality, foster more income than riding a dying trend. Keeping the bling belt replicas available at shopzone is one thing, but if they changed the design, knowing that retro is starting to make a comeback (again, as it alway does), there is a market for a second replica belt based off of a new design that fits that trend as well. This way, you continue to sell the replicas you have been moving in addition to the replicas of the new belt. As one weins, one will peak, bringing in more money in the long run. I'm willing to bet the bank that there's far far more people in the 18-49 demographic, who watch wrestling, who don't talk about it on the internet. And of those, there's only a percentage there who care enough to talk about the belts. And in that percentage, there's only a certain number of people who hate the spinner belt. And even in that, there's an even smaller amount of people who take the time to complain about the spinner belt. Still with me? So my question again is why would they cater to a crowd of maybe 20,000 people out there who actively hate the spinner title? It's obvious that since it's still around, it's what they like and what they're going with for this generation of WWE. I back this up by stating that even after Cena lost it, the design was kept as the new 'official' design of the title. It's not as though they forgot that the title was still blinged out, they just kept it that way because it worked for them. Let's not forget it sells like hotcakes. The argument of 'the people that want the spinner title can always buy it online as replicas later" is no different than me saying that the people who are longing for the old school Winged Eagle belt or the Attitude Era belt can easily find it online so they can buy their own. Yet, the same people saying that are the ones making threads begging WWE to revert to the old design from when they were all kids. And... somewhere in there, WWE's plans for something don't mean a thing if they don't please a few thousand people out there who complain about everything. It makes no sense. I think you missed my larger point, or at least the one I was attempting to make. I do not disagree that they move replicas, I do not think that the should stop seling it. My dislike of it is not based on "I must see a traditional look", it's based on my distain for the played-out fad of overly-blinged out crap for no apparent reason. The fad is dying, thankfully, and as it becomes no longer "cool", the replicas will sell less. The argument is that, by diversifying the products, adding a second replica to the shopping list, the kids who have already purchased the replica bling belt will be demanding the new one as well. This makes more money, and that is the goal, plain and simple.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 16, 2009 12:39:17 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet the bank that there's far far more people in the 18-49 demographic, who watch wrestling, who don't talk about it on the internet. And of those, there's only a percentage there who care enough to talk about the belts. And in that percentage, there's only a certain number of people who hate the spinner belt. And even in that, there's an even smaller amount of people who take the time to complain about the spinner belt. Still with me? So my question again is why would they cater to a crowd of maybe 20,000 people out there who actively hate the spinner title? It's obvious that since it's still around, it's what they like and what they're going with for this generation of WWE. I back this up by stating that even after Cena lost it, the design was kept as the new 'official' design of the title. It's not as though they forgot that the title was still blinged out, they just kept it that way because it worked for them. Let's not forget it sells like hotcakes. The argument of 'the people that want the spinner title can always buy it online as replicas later" is no different than me saying that the people who are longing for the old school Winged Eagle belt or the Attitude Era belt can easily find it online so they can buy their own. Yet, the same people saying that are the ones making threads begging WWE to revert to the old design from when they were all kids. And... somewhere in there, WWE's plans for something don't mean a thing if they don't please a few thousand people out there who complain about everything. It makes no sense. I think you missed my larger point, or at least the one I was attempting to make. I do not disagree that they move replicas, I do not think that the should stop seling it. My dislike of it is not based on "I must see a traditional look", it's based on my distain for the played-out fad of overly-blinged out crap for no apparent reason. The fad is dying, thankfully, and as it becomes no longer "cool", the replicas will sell less. The argument is that, by diversifying the products, adding a second replica to the shopping list, the kids who have already purchased the replica bling belt will be demanding the new one as well. This makes more money, and that is the goal, plain and simple. Okay, now I get your point. And I agree that it's really way out of touch with the current times, as even in 2005 it was a bit aged. But what you're asking here is Vince McMahon to get with the times to update something. Do you see the problem?
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