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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 22, 2010 20:41:56 GMT -5
I can respect that.
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Post by kuro on Feb 22, 2010 20:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by hitokiri on Feb 22, 2010 20:55:20 GMT -5
I would love to see this pompous, pos actually say this stuff to Batista's face. I promise you he is only like this when he knows he won't get killed. I bet Cornette got in his face alot when Batista was in OVW. That's just the way he is, and probably a big part of the reason big Dave hates him. I can easily see that. By the way, I have to ask, who's the blonde in your sig?
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 22, 2010 20:57:16 GMT -5
One other thing, and it is something I have never commented on: Triple H and his 'power'.
Do you guys honestly think that Triple H will promote guys that he does not think have the ability to make it? The guy is a wrestling encyclopedia, and knows just about all there is to know about wrestling. With that said, do you honestly think he will promote his buddies to Vince just because the guy pulled a 400 pound barbell off his chest? Really?
I disagree with how they pushed Batista, but he is literally money in the bank. It would be foolish not to push him. Heck, Cornette admits that they pushed him hard, even with all of his down falls.
If anything, the people that Triple H will keep because he is buddies with them is workers with the potential of the Brooklyn Brawler or something, and they will never get a big role.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 22, 2010 21:45:33 GMT -5
Hold on, what did Batista even say about OVW?
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Feb 22, 2010 21:52:03 GMT -5
Hold on, what did Batista even say about OVW? In his book he said that he learned nothing.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 22, 2010 21:53:54 GMT -5
So he says in interviews that Batista ans Cena will main event mania, gives both the ovw title, and because of batista's DVD/book about ovw not preparing him for life on the road in wwe blah
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 22, 2010 22:06:29 GMT -5
If he said he didn't learn anything, he's either a fool or a liar.
If he said it didn't prepare him for life on the road with WWE...it's kind of hard for a regional promotion to do that, Dave.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Feb 22, 2010 22:25:31 GMT -5
If he said he didn't learn anything, he's either a fool or a liar. If he said it didn't prepare him for life on the road with WWE...it's kind of hard for a regional promotion to do that, Dave. It's not like it's a bad thing. WWE isn't all that bad compared to some of the "regional" promotions back in the day. Sometimes guys would work SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, and sometimes even TWO SHOWS on a day. Now, a lot of times you were just paid to show up and not do much, but you had to appear nonetheless. If you were integral to the promotion, though... expect to get worked. HARD. Even WWE's schedule isn't that bad. You work one show a day, five days a week. It would better if it was only four days... but it could be worse.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 22, 2010 22:36:28 GMT -5
Oh I agree. Mid-South (Watts) was notoriously hard, and Crockett's group in the '80s sometimes ran 3 shows a day with the use of the private jets to get the key players to all 3 shows.
OVW was nowhere near that, however. And of course, there was no dealing with airports and all that come with them.
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Post by Perigryn on Feb 22, 2010 22:38:35 GMT -5
Didn't he get rejected from the WCW Power Plant for not having any stamina and he later made Sgt Buddy Lee Parker as the bad guy holding him back? (though to be fair, Goldberg blew up easily and he made it pretty far).
There's also that article from a couple months back where he puts himself over as being able to tell stories in the ring better than any of the younger people on the roster. So why is it that Smackdown improved while he was gone? We didn't miss him, we missed his hilariously narm behaviour which we're only praising now because he OFFICIALLY turned heel...
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Post by Jay Carroll on Feb 22, 2010 22:53:30 GMT -5
Didn't he get rejected from the WCW Power Plant for not having any stamina and he later made Sgt Buddy Lee Parker as the bad guy holding him back? (though to be fair, Goldberg blew up easily and he made it pretty far). Yep, got laughed out of the Power Plant as a matter of fact. I haven't read that article, but Batista has always seemed full of himself in interviews, so this wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Feb 22, 2010 23:09:58 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Batista, the Power Plant had incredibly high Physical Standards. you had to be Athletic, Tough, Powerful, AND have a lot of Stamina. Basically, a physical beast. It's not exactly easy to find. And when I mean tough, I don't mean outwardly Tough only, but also INWARDLY. Sean O'Haire pretty typifies this ideal.
But to be fair to Batista, some of the Power Plant guys weren't all that good. A lot of them ended up being tough as hell, athletic, powerful, but looking at the results, it seems they focused a lot on Physical Training, and less on Wrestling Basics.
So I'm not so sure the Power Plant was all that good, not because they didn't succeed at what they wanted to be (they did) but I'm not so sure they produced any wrestling stars with solid fundamentals.
I mean, a guy like Chuck Palumbo. Physically, he wasn't bad at all. But he was boring as rock in the ring. Sean O'Haire was talented as hell, but he didn't have much Psychology. I could go on, but Batista not being in the Power Plant may not have hurt him.
I mean, a lot of guys who aren't Physical Beasts, like Dusty Rhodes, and Ric Flair, succeeded in wrestling. Physicality makes it more likely you will be good at professional wrestling, but unlike other "sports", it's no guarantee. I mean, was Dusty Rhodes ever in shape? He's one of the best worker in the history of the business.
But on Batista, let's face it: he's got a good character, and he's got size. His mic skills are decent - he gets his points across without flubbing anything most of the time. But his inward physicality isn't in good shape, he's not all that athletic, and he get gassed easily (even when compared to the Big Show or Mark Henry. That's just sad). And, this is not only Basista, but his Basics are still rough, he's not the most consistent performer, and his Psychology is pretty low. He sells okay now, and he doesn't hurt anyone anymore, but he's still rough around the edges.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 22, 2010 23:32:44 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Batista, the Power Plant had incredibly high Physical Standards. you had to be Athletic, Tough, Powerful, AND have a lot of Stamina. Basically, a physical beast. It's not exactly easy to find. And when I mean tough, I don't mean outwardly Tough only, but also INWARDLY. Sean O'Haire pretty typifies this ideal. But to be fair to Batista, some of the Power Plant guys weren't all that good. A lot of them ended up being tough as hell, athletic, powerful, but looking at the results, it seems they focused a lot on Physical Training, and less on Wrestling Basics. So I'm not so sure the Power Plant was all that good, not because they didn't succeed at what they wanted to be (they did) but I'm not so sure they produced any wrestling stars with solid fundamentals. I mean, a guy like Chuck Palumbo. Physically, he wasn't bad at all. But he was boring as rock in the ring. Sean O'Haire was talented as hell, but he didn't have much Psychology. I could go on, but Batista not being in the Power Plant may not have hurt him. I mean, a lot of guys who aren't Physical Beasts, like Dusty Rhodes, and Ric Flair, succeeded in wrestling. Physicality makes it more likely you will be good at professional wrestling, but unlike other "sports", it's no guarantee. I mean, was Dusty Rhodes ever in shape? He's one of the best worker in the history of the business. But on Batista, let's face it: he's got a good character, and he's got size. His mic skills are decent - he gets his points across without flubbing anything most of the time. But his inward physicality isn't in good shape, he's not all that athletic, and he get gassed easily (even when compared to the Big Show or Mark Henry. That's just sad). And, this is not only Basista, but his Basics are still rough, he's not the most consistent performer, and his Psychology is pretty low. He sells okay now, and he doesn't hurt anyone anymore, but he's still rough around the edges. The guy who trained me claimed that he was trained by Dean Malinko's dad. He explained all of the physical rituals that guys had to do before they recieved any training, and how tough it was. When I was breaking in, he had changed it. Later he told me that he was losing too many clients by doing the old methods. Something like 500 squat thrusts may seem like it has nothing to do with wrestling, but back then, in the era of kayfabe, you wanted to make damn sure a guy wanted in before you revealed the business to them. You also made sure that the guy had all of his money up front, lol. A lot of workers I met were being trained by guys who still held the belief of punishing guys to weed out those who did not have the internal fortitude to carry on. I was one of the lucky ones to get ring training without the punishment, lol. Yes, it is more desirable to train workers without excessive physical requirements, but it also takes away the heart factor that you need to make it into this business. I have all the respect in the world for the boys. It is the booking that I have a problem with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 23:37:13 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Batista, the Power Plant had incredibly high Physical Standards. you had to be Athletic, Tough, Powerful, AND have a lot of Stamina. Basically, a physical beast. It's not exactly easy to find. And when I mean tough, I don't mean outwardly Tough only, but also INWARDLY. Sean O'Haire pretty typifies this ideal. But to be fair to Batista, some of the Power Plant guys weren't all that good. A lot of them ended up being tough as hell, athletic, powerful, but looking at the results, it seems they focused a lot on Physical Training, and less on Wrestling Basics. So I'm not so sure the Power Plant was all that good, not because they didn't succeed at what they wanted to be (they did) but I'm not so sure they produced any wrestling stars with solid fundamentals. I mean, a guy like Chuck Palumbo. Physically, he wasn't bad at all. But he was boring as rock in the ring. Sean O'Haire was talented as hell, but he didn't have much Psychology. I could go on, but Batista not being in the Power Plant may not have hurt him. I mean, a lot of guys who aren't Physical Beasts, like Dusty Rhodes, and Ric Flair, succeeded in wrestling. Physicality makes it more likely you will be good at professional wrestling, but unlike other "sports", it's no guarantee. I mean, was Dusty Rhodes ever in shape? He's one of the best worker in the history of the business. But on Batista, let's face it: he's got a good character, and he's got size. His mic skills are decent - he gets his points across without flubbing anything most of the time. But his inward physicality isn't in good shape, he's not all that athletic, and he get gassed easily (even when compared to the Big Show or Mark Henry. That's just sad). And, this is not only Basista, but his Basics are still rough, he's not the most consistent performer, and his Psychology is pretty low. He sells okay now, and he doesn't hurt anyone anymore, but he's still rough around the edges. I would like to point that Ric Flair has some of the best stamina of any wrestler. He wrestled many 60 - 90 min time limit draws in a weekly basis and many wrestlers complimented on how he never gets tired. Even in Bret Harts book he says that guy doesn't blow up and is a beast in cardio machines. Anyways I like what you said.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Feb 23, 2010 0:09:12 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Batista, the Power Plant had incredibly high Physical Standards. you had to be Athletic, Tough, Powerful, AND have a lot of Stamina. Basically, a physical beast. It's not exactly easy to find. And when I mean tough, I don't mean outwardly Tough only, but also INWARDLY. Sean O'Haire pretty typifies this ideal. But to be fair to Batista, some of the Power Plant guys weren't all that good. A lot of them ended up being tough as hell, athletic, powerful, but looking at the results, it seems they focused a lot on Physical Training, and less on Wrestling Basics. So I'm not so sure the Power Plant was all that good, not because they didn't succeed at what they wanted to be (they did) but I'm not so sure they produced any wrestling stars with solid fundamentals. I mean, a guy like Chuck Palumbo. Physically, he wasn't bad at all. But he was boring as rock in the ring. Sean O'Haire was talented as hell, but he didn't have much Psychology. I could go on, but Batista not being in the Power Plant may not have hurt him. I mean, a lot of guys who aren't Physical Beasts, like Dusty Rhodes, and Ric Flair, succeeded in wrestling. Physicality makes it more likely you will be good at professional wrestling, but unlike other "sports", it's no guarantee. I mean, was Dusty Rhodes ever in shape? He's one of the best worker in the history of the business. But on Batista, let's face it: he's got a good character, and he's got size. His mic skills are decent - he gets his points across without flubbing anything most of the time. But his inward physicality isn't in good shape, he's not all that athletic, and he get gassed easily (even when compared to the Big Show or Mark Henry. That's just sad). And, this is not only Basista, but his Basics are still rough, he's not the most consistent performer, and his Psychology is pretty low. He sells okay now, and he doesn't hurt anyone anymore, but he's still rough around the edges. I would like to point that Ric Flair has some of the best stamina of any wrestler. He wrestled many 60 - 90 min time limit draws in a weekly basis and many wrestlers complimented on how he never gets tired. Even in Bret Harts book he says that guy doesn't blow up and is a beast in cardio machines. Anyways I like what you said. You are absolutely correct. But my example was more Dusty Rhodes than Ric Flair. But in any case, Ric Flair had great stamina. That's a point I cannot emphasize more. I just have to say in bold. Ric Flair had great stamina. But was Ric Flair the most athletic wrestler in the world? No. He didn't need to be - he was athletic ENOUGH. Not everyone had to be Ricky Steamboat or Randy Savage in Athleticism to succeed. In fact, if you meet the minimum Physical requirements, but otherwise are a pretty good Performer, no one is going to get bent out of shape over you not being the Physical Specimen of the Century. Well, to be fair to Batista, the Power Plant had incredibly high Physical Standards. you had to be Athletic, Tough, Powerful, AND have a lot of Stamina. Basically, a physical beast. It's not exactly easy to find. And when I mean tough, I don't mean outwardly Tough only, but also INWARDLY. Sean O'Haire pretty typifies this ideal. But to be fair to Batista, some of the Power Plant guys weren't all that good. A lot of them ended up being tough as hell, athletic, powerful, but looking at the results, it seems they focused a lot on Physical Training, and less on Wrestling Basics. So I'm not so sure the Power Plant was all that good, not because they didn't succeed at what they wanted to be (they did) but I'm not so sure they produced any wrestling stars with solid fundamentals. I mean, a guy like Chuck Palumbo. Physically, he wasn't bad at all. But he was boring as rock in the ring. Sean O'Haire was talented as hell, but he didn't have much Psychology. I could go on, but Batista not being in the Power Plant may not have hurt him. I mean, a lot of guys who aren't Physical Beasts, like Dusty Rhodes, and Ric Flair, succeeded in wrestling. Physicality makes it more likely you will be good at professional wrestling, but unlike other "sports", it's no guarantee. I mean, was Dusty Rhodes ever in shape? He's one of the best worker in the history of the business. But on Batista, let's face it: he's got a good character, and he's got size. His mic skills are decent - he gets his points across without flubbing anything most of the time. But his inward physicality isn't in good shape, he's not all that athletic, and he get gassed easily (even when compared to the Big Show or Mark Henry. That's just sad). And, this is not only Basista, but his Basics are still rough, he's not the most consistent performer, and his Psychology is pretty low. He sells okay now, and he doesn't hurt anyone anymore, but he's still rough around the edges. The guy who trained me claimed that he was trained by Dean Malinko's dad. He explained all of the physical rituals that guys had to do before they recieved any training, and how tough it was. When I was breaking in, he had changed it. Later he told me that he was losing too many clients by doing the old methods. Something like 500 squat thrusts may seem like it has nothing to do with wrestling, but back then, in the era of kayfabe, you wanted to make damn sure a guy wanted in before you revealed the business to them. You also made sure that the guy had all of his money up front, lol. A lot of workers I met were being trained by guys who still held the belief of punishing guys to weed out those who did not have the internal fortitude to carry on. I was one of the lucky ones to get ring training without the punishment, lol. Yes, it is more desirable to train workers without excessive physical requirements, but it also takes away the heart factor that you need to make it into this business. I have all the respect in the world for the boys. It is the booking that I have a problem with. Well, I want to point out that, there is something important in physical training. It certainly weeds out those that don't have enough physicality to be in wrestling, and certainly makes those that do meet the requirements even better in Physicality. However, I don't know about "heart", but did a guy like Chuck Palumbo have a lot of "heart"? It didn't seem so to me. But what he DID represent was not-so-athletic guy with otherwise great physicality. But he sucked. He basically met the minimum requirements... in a lot of things. he wasn't exactly a dud in athleticism, but he wasn't exactly all that athletic. He was tough and powerful enough. He had enough Stamina. But he was boring as a rock in the ring. Chuck makes me think that he basically barely met the requirements. No matter how tough you make your standards, they are still standards. Some guys can skate by the skin of their teeth to meet those standards, yet still suck. Chuck makes me think that's what happens when you focus on Physicality and not actual In-Ring Performance.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 23, 2010 2:11:42 GMT -5
I bet Cornette got in his face alot when Batista was in OVW. That's just the way he is, and probably a big part of the reason big Dave hates him. I can easily see that. By the way, I have to ask, who's the blonde in your sig? That's adult star Bree Olson.
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Post by Schattenjager on Feb 23, 2010 3:17:36 GMT -5
He is. As someone above said, he could talk about not liking cheese for five hours and I would listen to him. Mesmerized. And for all the people saying that Cornette hates everyone, no he doesn't. It's just that whenever someone wants him to give a shoot interview, they are about people he dislikes simply because it's more entertaining. Cornette often praises people like Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and Mick Foley. And for good reason, I might add.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Feb 23, 2010 3:29:07 GMT -5
I have to agree with Cornette here. They totally should have brought him up with his Leviathan gimmick. It'd be way better than his stupid douchebag pink collar wearing shirt gimmick he has now. Also I'm not surprised at all that he is a main eventer due to just being HHH's friend. HHH is like Hogan ala 1994 WCW. Before I had my doubts about Batista getting a push just because he was HHH's friend but once I saw Sheamus get pushed to the moon there is just no excuse. Batista totally didn't get his spot due to his wrestling or mic abilities.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Feb 23, 2010 3:33:14 GMT -5
Didn't he get rejected from the WCW Power Plant for not having any stamina and he later made Sgt Buddy Lee Parker as the bad guy holding him back? (though to be fair, Goldberg blew up easily and he made it pretty far). There's also that article from a couple months back where he puts himself over as being able to tell stories in the ring better than any of the younger people on the roster. So why is it that Smackdown improved while he was gone? We didn't miss him, we missed his hilariously narm behaviour which we're only praising now because he OFFICIALLY turned heel... Goldberg didn't blow up. He actually stormed right through the power plant because he was in better shape than everyone else. Batista doesn't have any where near the athletic ability that Goldberg had. I know people like to say Goldberg wasn't good in the ring but that is just pure wrong. Goldberg is the most underrated big monster pushed wrestler there is. Batista couldn't hold Goldberg's jock strap.
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