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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 23, 2010 3:33:52 GMT -5
Well the Batista got incredibly over, and has STAYED incredibly over.
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Post by EJS on Feb 23, 2010 3:51:42 GMT -5
Didn't he get rejected from the WCW Power Plant for not having any stamina and he later made Sgt Buddy Lee Parker as the bad guy holding him back? (though to be fair, Goldberg blew up easily and he made it pretty far). There's also that article from a couple months back where he puts himself over as being able to tell stories in the ring better than any of the younger people on the roster. So why is it that Smackdown improved while he was gone? We didn't miss him, we missed his hilariously narm behaviour which we're only praising now because he OFFICIALLY turned heel... Goldberg didn't blow up. He actually stormed right through the power plant because he was in better shape than everyone else. Batista doesn't have any where near the athletic ability that Goldberg had. I know people like to say Goldberg wasn't good in the ring but that is just pure wrong. Goldberg is the most underrated big monster pushed wrestler there is. Batista couldn't hold Goldberg's jock strap. Yeah if it's one thing Goldberg had it was raw athleticism and power. Lesnar is the only guy in recent memory in the same league in those regards.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Feb 23, 2010 6:05:24 GMT -5
Goldberg was a former pro football player, if there's one thing the guy probably had was stamina. He just didn't show it much, since he had a "destroyer" gimmick and rolled over people in a minute.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 23, 2010 6:28:21 GMT -5
I wish I could dig up that Molly Holly Quote that summed up the WCW power plant and why everyone from there except Big show and Goldberg sucked.
Something about she didn't learn anything from it except how to do 500 squats a day while people yell at you.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Feb 23, 2010 9:41:17 GMT -5
Goldberg didn't blow up. He actually stormed right through the power plant because he was in better shape than everyone else. Batista doesn't have any where near the athletic ability that Goldberg had. I know people like to say Goldberg wasn't good in the ring but that is just pure wrong. Goldberg is the most underrated big monster pushed wrestler there is. Batista couldn't hold Goldberg's jock strap. Yeah if it's one thing Goldberg had it was raw athleticism and power. Lesnar is the only guy in recent memory in the same league in those regards. I think people mistakenly believe Goldberg's short matches is because of his stamina. It's more because of his gimmick, and his lack of ability of set maches up. Also, other than Goldberg and Lesnar, I can probably see a guy like Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, and Ken Shamrock can blaze through the Power Plant in their physical prime. Someone else mentioned that WCW Power Plant on focused on Physicality (doing only squats). I'm certain that a guy like Sean O'Haire and even Mark Jindrak (who sadly dropped in skill because he got lazy as time went on) got more from the Power Plant than a guy like Chuck Palumbo or Mike Sanders did, simply because their sheer physicality meant that the Power Plant trainers knew that they had what it physically took. But on a related note, the Power Plant totally produced the wrong kind of workers for the WCW. WCW wasn't exactly a physical place to work. These guys were young, ambitious, physical, but WCW worked an extremely light schedule compared to the WWF, and a lot of the veterans just skated by (Buff Bagwell, Lex Luger, Scott Steiner).
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Feb 23, 2010 11:13:22 GMT -5
I would love to see this pompous, pos actually say this stuff to Batista's face. I promise you he is only like this when he knows he won't get killed. Or when you screw up his order at Dairy Queen.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 23, 2010 12:07:02 GMT -5
As far as whether or not Cornette would say anything to Batista's face, I'll quote Ricky Morton:
"That's one thing I respect about Cornette. Don't ever let anybody tell you he won't fight you. He might take an ass whoopin', but he'll fight you."
Cornette's own account of the Santino incident included him during the incident saying, "You're a tough guy, let's go outside and beat the f*** out of *me* because if you want to fight him, he will f***ing kill you!" and after the story itself saying, "And I know, he didn't want to do anything because technically I was the boss and he could have killed me and I'm not disputing that. The point is he didn't, so the next time he wanted to try to big dog one of the younger guys, they could look at him and say, 'Well you're not so tough, motherf***er, 'cause Cornette slapped you and didn't do shit, so back off'. When the oldest, fattest guy in the company smacks you around and gets away with it, it makes it a little harder for you to be the bully."
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Post by The Warsman on Feb 23, 2010 20:22:30 GMT -5
As far as whether or not Cornette would say anything to Batista's face, I'll quote Ricky Morton: "That's one thing I respect about Cornette. Don't ever let anybody tell you he won't fight you. He might take an ass whoopin', but he'll fight you." Cornette's own account of the Santino incident included him during the incident saying, "You're a tough guy, let's go outside and beat the f*** out of *me* because if you want to fight him, he will f***ing kill you!" and after the story itself saying, "And I know, he didn't want to do anything because technically I was the boss and he could have killed me and I'm not disputing that. The point is he didn't, so the next time he wanted to try to big dog one of the younger guys, they could look at him and say, 'Well you're not so tough, motherf***er, 'cause Cornette slapped you and didn't do s***, so back off'. When the oldest, fattest guy in the company smacks you around and gets away with it, it makes it a little harder for you to be the bully." Hm. Wasn't the Santino slapping in regards to Santino breaking kayfabe and smiling or laughing at the Boogeyman character, though? Where did this "bullying" business start? Wars
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 23, 2010 20:32:18 GMT -5
Sounds more like Cornette abusing his spot and guys not wanting to do anything in fear of getting released
also Palumbo, Johnny the Bull, and jindrak are good wrestlers. Jindrak and Rellik work really well in aaa. Palumbo's stint in ajpw was quality also
ahwell
the worst of the nbt was o'haire, he sucked so much in wwe and in wcw
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 20:35:15 GMT -5
Honestly, Cornette is one of those guys I just can't really respect due to coming off as a massive dick who vastly overestimates his importance to the industry.
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Post by Parrish on Feb 23, 2010 21:05:24 GMT -5
why hasn't anyone posted the video of cornette at the drive through yet?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 23, 2010 21:33:53 GMT -5
I would love to see this pompous, pos actually say this stuff to Batista's face. I promise you he is only like this when he knows he won't get killed. He did call up Batista and asked him why, so it's not like he's afraid. He also slapped Santino Marella, and he's a bit up in years and has got past injuries. You're also talking about the guy that threw chairs at John Cena and Randy Orton for going 4 minutes overtime on tv. Not saying that Cornette doesn't have a temper, but he certainly isn't going to say anything he wouldn't say to someone's face.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 23, 2010 22:09:41 GMT -5
Hm. Wasn't the Santino slapping in regards to Santino breaking kayfabe and smiling or laughing at the Boogeyman character, though? Where did this "bullying" business start? Wars Yeah, the slapping was over the Boogeyman incident. As far as bullying, I probably used the wrong word. My fault. Basically, Cornette said that Santino had an attitude because of his shoot background (I forget what kind of training he's supposed to have) and would try to act like he was above selling for some of the guys because of it. I believe the phrase he used was, "The next time he wanted to try to big dog somebody." Sorry for any confusion, not trying to put words in anyone's mouth.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Feb 24, 2010 0:02:11 GMT -5
I think Cornette is justa brutally honest guy, and as said before, people like to ask hima bout stuff he hates, cause his rants are so damn entertaining. THis one though, sounds more like someone who feels a bit hurt by the situation. The man wanted Batista to succeed, and put a lot of effort into getting him over in OVW, then after the fact comes off really ungratefull for what everyone did for him there. This is a man who got laughed out of the WCW Power Plant, and Cornette and OVW welcomed him and built him up. I'd be pissed too.
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Post by Perigryn on Feb 24, 2010 0:19:22 GMT -5
Hm. Wasn't the Santino slapping in regards to Santino breaking kayfabe and smiling or laughing at the Boogeyman character, though? Where did this "bullying" business start? Wars Yeah, the slapping was over the Boogeyman incident. As far as bullying, I probably used the wrong word. My fault. Basically, Cornette said that Santino had an attitude because of his shoot background (I forget what kind of training he's supposed to have) and would try to act like he was above selling for some of the guys because of it. I believe the phrase he used was, "The next time he wanted to try to big dog somebody." Sorry for any confusion, not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. Call it like it is. Santino was corpsing...and you know what that means.... The Man gets sent for...but since he's not around Cornette stepped up. lol
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 24, 2010 0:50:43 GMT -5
why hasn't anyone posted the video of cornette at the drive through yet? ***not just a language warning, but a "Cornette" warning ****
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Post by DrewVonAwesome on Feb 24, 2010 0:56:28 GMT -5
why hasn't anyone posted the video of cornette at the drive through yet? ***not just a language warning, but a "Cornette" warning **** It's weird watching that knowing that it's a young Chris Jericho behind the camera....
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 24, 2010 1:07:52 GMT -5
Hm. Wasn't the Santino slapping in regards to Santino breaking kayfabe and smiling or laughing at the Boogeyman character, though? Where did this "bullying" business start? Wars Yeah, the slapping was over the Boogeyman incident. As far as bullying, I probably used the wrong word. My fault. Basically, Cornette said that Santino had an attitude because of his shoot background (I forget what kind of training he's supposed to have) and would try to act like he was above selling for some of the guys because of it. I believe the phrase he used was, "The next time he wanted to try to big dog somebody." Sorry for any confusion, not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. Ah, OK, I stand corrected. I assumed (the internet strikes again) from only seeing his rants and stuff that he was doing all of this stuff on some sort of crusade or something. If this was the case, then Cornette was 100% right. About Batista not learning anything, that is obviously crap and he knows it. You don't go to OVW or whatever it is now for the heck of it. If you know what to do, you are on TV immediately. As for throwing chairs, he was right once again. When the ref says take it home, you take it home. Four minutes is a long time to come up with a spot, and there is no excuse for it. I would go nuts on that one, too. The more I find out, I like Cornette more and more.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 24, 2010 9:52:45 GMT -5
Meh, I get that Cornette is pretty bitter and angry at a lot of people, but he's too entertaining not to like.
The idea that Batista is where he is purely because of HHH is utter bollocks though. Being friends with HHH (and others, no doubt) might have opened a couple of doors for him, but he's ran with it to the point where he's one of the biggest stars they have. It says more for HHH's talent spotting abilities than it does for anything else.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 24, 2010 10:06:09 GMT -5
Meh, I get that Cornette is pretty bitter and angry at a lot of people, but he's too entertaining not to like. The idea that Batista is where he is purely because of HHH is utter bollocks though. Being friends with HHH (and others, no doubt) might have opened a couple of doors for him, but he's ran with it to the point where he's one of the biggest stars they have. It says more for HHH's talent spotting abilities than it does for anything else. It's going to happen with any young guy that gets pushed now because of where HHH is in the company. Sheamus gets it. Apparently they are friends, and that's why he gets pushed. Well, not really. HHH likes him, but if you're going to get pushed in what in the company that he has a huge say in, you better make sure he likes you so he trusts you, and you better make sure you have the skills to back it up. And Batista does have the skills. He can tell stories better than a lot of the younger guys. It's why he can stand in the ring, literally say and do nothing bar drop a microphone and get the most heat of the night.
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