Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 18, 2010 12:36:51 GMT -5
I hate this move for one reason: it demonstrates that the company is making some of WCW's biggest mistakes.
1) Hogan arrived in TNA, and it was treated as the coming of the Messiah. WCW did it as well.
2) Immediately after Hogan shows up the show's primary focus is on him and his friends. WCW did that as well.
3) It is obvious that Hogan has a firm control of the company's booking now. Yet another WCW mistake.
4) Hogan doesn't like something about a major point of TNA presentation (the six sided ring), so it is soon gone. Prior to Hogan's arrival in WCW, the primary focus of WCW's presentation was to focus on Sting, Vader, and Flair. Hogan retired Flair in short order, no sold Vader, and Sting was pushed to the side to make Hogan happy.
I just hate it because it does nothing but reinforces my concerns that this Hogan thing will topple TNA rather than ultimately help it.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 18, 2010 14:16:48 GMT -5
I could actually watch a TNA match last night. For some reason, being used to WWE style, I could never get into a TNA match, even though it was obviously technically very good, I just had trouble caring. I expect to see certain things in a match, because then it makes it easier to follow. However with TNA's six sides, I just couldn't follow the flow of the match. I couldn't relax because I was constantly trying to link it to what I knew in my mind. However last night, I could sit back, and it looked like what I knew.
I don't think Hogan is making any change for the benfit of himself or for his spot this time (if he ever did). Certainly this change isn't to help himself, it's because he knows that fans checking out TNA for the first time to a ring with a pointless additional 2 sides and think it doesn't match up to WWE. It's not a differentiating factor, or if it is, it's an unhelpful one because it's harming more than helping. I don't think anyone says 'Yeah TNA is much better than WWE, it has a six sided ring!' but there probably were people that were turned off by it, just from the impression it created. Having the elevated entrance way is something cool, something different and something that can be used to allow the wrestlers to be innovative. It's a great addition.
Now if TNA would just sort out this idiotic 'We don't have proper heels and faces!' booking I'd probably really be able to get into it. There's a difference between having in depth characters with a shade of grey, and having storylines that make no sense and that result in a lack of emotional investment. You can't have Daniels, who is supposed to be the heel, tell the face (who has a Sports Entertainment-like gimmick) that 'THIS IS WRESTLING' because the crowd will agree, especially when it's the message that the company is trying to push. It's not edgy characters with depth, it's just non-sensical booking that helps neither man.
Orton showing compassion for his Legacy boys but still being a massive heel back in February was building a character with depth. He can still have 'face qualities', as long as he displays them about as much in proportion as a heel should. In TNA, I still have no idea, so still can't get into it. Wolfe vs Pope should be an amazing feud, but I still don't know who I'm meant to be cheering for. Ditto for pretty much everyone else on the roster.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jan 18, 2010 15:50:09 GMT -5
I always liked the six sided ring. I scrutinize(sp?) the hell out of non-WWE rings because of a comment my cousin made. So, I always found old sixy refreshing. Now that TNA has a "traditional" ring I'm probably going to pay more attention to the ring and the rings area than the matched. The set up I saw on the TNA pic thread looked like it was crammed into the building. I hope TNA will change around the set, so it doesn't look like ten pounds of crap in a ten once bag.
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Post by burdette25159 on Jan 18, 2010 19:34:30 GMT -5
TNA had used a 4 sided ring back in the beginning, but I think dumping the six sided ring is the wrestling equivalent of New Coke, because they are both examples of changing a formula for the worse. In TNA's case, The 6-Sided ring to me was part of the formula.
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Post by hitmanwwf on Jan 18, 2010 19:40:14 GMT -5
The 6-sided ring sucked horribly. It made TNA look bush league.
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Albino Heat
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Post by Albino Heat on Jan 19, 2010 0:43:19 GMT -5
Appropriate to bust out my all time favorite photoshop on WC:
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Post by defdave on Jan 19, 2010 1:58:53 GMT -5
So glad to see the six-sided ring is gone. The ring was the most annoying aspect of TNA to me. Now it's just the crowd that annoys me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 11:05:59 GMT -5
Well, I guess at the very least we can still prep TNA for a six-sided coffin.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 19, 2010 11:17:38 GMT -5
It's not that big a deal aside from a cosmetic change, but sadly it does put to rest TNA's "inside the 6-sided ring" tagline, which was a nice little distinction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 21:51:45 GMT -5
I thought the 6 sided ring was neat, but its loss is more than offset by the clash of the champions style ramp.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Jan 19, 2010 23:15:16 GMT -5
Appropriate to bust out my all time favorite photoshop on WC: Amazing. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, CHRIS MASTERS?
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Jan 19, 2010 23:31:17 GMT -5
So glad to see the six-sided ring is gone. The ring was the most annoying aspect of TNA to me. Now it's just the crowd that annoys me. Crowd is still worse. At least the ring issue got taken care of. The 6 sided ring always just came across to me as trying too hard (noted how they kept pushing it in advertising) and looking minor league. And supposedly the crowd is being told to act right now as well. TNA is getting fixed for the better.
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Post by lewis on Jan 20, 2010 0:49:27 GMT -5
J.R was spot on with what he said about it.
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defdave
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Post by defdave on Jan 20, 2010 4:47:31 GMT -5
So glad to see the six-sided ring is gone. The ring was the most annoying aspect of TNA to me. Now it's just the crowd that annoys me. Crowd is still worse. At least the ring issue got taken care of. The 6 sided ring always just came across to me as trying too hard (noted how they kept pushing it in advertising) and looking minor league. And supposedly the crowd is being told to act right now as well. TNA is getting fixed for the better. I could not agree with you more. Glad to see someone else would like to see TNA move from a "glorified-indy" feel to a major league promotion. Genesis showed me they are ready to play ball. The new ring, the better ring psychology where the wrestlers are applying holds and telling a story, and the return of managers (Flair) to the sport. The only MAJOR thing I saw wrong with Genesis was the morons in the audience constantly s******g on everything. They would go from booing to a retarded chant to dead silence. They make the promotion look stupid to casual viewers. They sound like f'n idiots and ruin the atmosphere. TNA has GOT to get out of the impact zone or else nothing will improve. But with that said, I'm more optimistic about the product TNA puts out than I have ever been I think. I just hope Dixie/Hulk/Eric don't read message boards like this one. They are on the right track, they just need to keep going with it and let it all flesh out. Good stuff is on the way.
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defdave
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Post by defdave on Jan 20, 2010 4:51:48 GMT -5
The 6-sided ring sucked horribly. It made TNA look bush league. Exactly. I've been rooting for TNA for a long while now (because it's good for the industry to have competition), but that ring has ALWAYS bugged the piss out of me.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Jan 20, 2010 5:52:29 GMT -5
I have two problems with them getting rid of the six sided ring and both of them are to do with how it was done rather than it being done.
1) Hogan and Bischoff's basically insulting speech to the fans at Genesis who started the "we want six sides" chant. The way they basically crapped all over everything that TNA has achieved prior to their arrival struck me as childish, petty and insulting. Which would have been fine had Hogan and Bisch both decided from the outset that they wished to be seen as heels. But this simply came across as both of them suffering from a major God complex.
But this is a minor thing compared to the other point.
2) Have either of them ever actually watched any TNA product before? AJ, Joe, Hernandez, Daniels, Homicide, the Guns to name but a few regularly incorporate moves into their arsenal, especially but not exclusively during pay per view, that rely on them going from inside the ring to outside at high speed, often over the top or through the ropes in a spectacular fashion. One thing that the six sided ring had going for it was that it made these moves flow better imo.
The two times that spots like these were attempted at Genesis (there may have been more but these two stick in my mind) by Red and AJ, they looked awkward, more than a little clumsy (and in AJ's case) like an injury waiting to happen.
If we must have a four sided ring now because "professional wrestling takes place in a four sided ring, always, has always will" then please at least look at the style of wrestling that your wrestlers use on a regular basis and alter the layout of the ring to allow for this. The raised rampway leading to the ring, while looking cool and being somewhat "traditionalist" also neuters a lot of the wrestlers' ring style and limits their moveset.
And TNA's wrestling style is one of the main differences between them and the WWE.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 20, 2010 12:56:08 GMT -5
I will miss the ring, but I will live to watch another day. The show will still be on, wrestlers will still wrestle, and the internet will still think everything Hogan does is stupid no matter how much money he drew or how much longer he has been in the biz than oh I dunno any of you
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Post by VersionOne on Jan 20, 2010 14:28:51 GMT -5
Very much indifferent to the new Impact zone. Some things I liked, others... not so much. I'll do the stuff I didn't like first then end on the positive.
Loved the new stage set up, one entrance coming out dead centre is much better. Before it looked a little awkward people coming out from the edges and it didn't help with the pyro set up, especially AJ's. Whose pyro, by the way, looked awesome at Genesis. They should've had a wide shot on that sucker (they spent the money on it, show it off)
The new vertitron is a nice addition too, use that to advertise the next PPV and free up the Pandatron for other more useful things.
The new announce position. I don’t know why but I like them up out the way, that not to say I don’t like the announcers ringside, but variety is always nice.
Don’t like the raised ramp way, I didn’t like it when it appeared on WCW for that short time (2000?) and I don’t like it now. Seems too old school for me, they’re trying to be young and fresh but I don’t think that’s the way to go. Plus it just another think they’re trying to cram into a small space...
And that brings me to the ring. Now I liked the 6 sides but I’m not as passionate about it as others, I’m looking at it in a mainly practical way. The 6 sided ring fit in with the fact that they recorded on a sound stage, in fact it helped hide the fact that they were in a small studio because it kind took your attention away, it helped that it was smaller too... or at least looked smaller. Plus it was totally different to WWE you couldn’t really compare like for like.
Now with the traditional ring installed you can make that comparison and it isn’t good, it looks like they’re trying to be a small time version of WWE, It all looks crammed in there and the wrestlers have no place to go. On top of that the PPV didn’t feel like TNA (but that feeling will probably go in a week or two)
I don’t have a problem with them changing the ring just don’t do it while you’re at Universal. They could’ve phased it in slowly and used 4 sides with shows on the road. Then as you do more and more shows away from the Orlando then less you see the Hexagon till eventually it’s gone all together.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 20, 2010 18:58:34 GMT -5
oh dear
the ONE thing that seperates TNA from ALL OTHER us-based feds ..... (i believe) ..... and now they DON'T have anything that seperates them .....
GOOD MOVE
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 20, 2010 19:28:41 GMT -5
I see that ramp and I only think one thing:I want to see someone to go through it
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