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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 23:37:23 GMT -5
Can people stop acting like that means something and has merit to where you should be on the card? he doesn't have a unique look Really? How many formerly Jamaican guys with dreads who always wear yellow and green does the company have?
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Post by Alex Shelley on Mar 17, 2010 23:50:38 GMT -5
While I do think that dropping Kofi's push was completely moronic, I don't think we should give up on him yet.
What I DON'T understand is why he's not in Wrestlemania.
...And why he randomly ran out to get murdered by Batista th-OHHHHH, was that match on Raw supposed to be a continuation from last week? I have no idea.
Anyway, they're just changing their mind every week in regards to Kofi and he's gonna be stuck until they can make a choice.
And I'm going to say it, not only because it's the predictable answer but also because I find it slightly true: he's black, and that fact probably has at least some role in this.
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Post by Jason on Mar 18, 2010 0:31:10 GMT -5
he doesn't have a unique look Really? How many formerly Jamaican guys with dreads who always wear yellow and green does the company have? He's not jamaican anymore and besides, he doesn't stand out without that gimmick. He's boring now, he just wears black trunks with a logo on them, they removed his colorful "no worries mon" persona that got him over in the first place, cause they thought they would have him break out. But they changed their mind about 6 weeks later and now he's like everybody else.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 18, 2010 5:40:54 GMT -5
Really? How many formerly Jamaican guys with dreads who always wear yellow and green does the company have? He's not jamaican anymore and besides, he doesn't stand out without that gimmick. He's boring now, he just wears black trunks with a logo on them, they removed his colorful "no worries mon" persona that got him over in the first place, cause they thought they would have him break out. But they changed their mind about 6 weeks later and now he's like everybody else. You aren't paying attention. He has four different trunks he wears at times. The yellow ones, the black ones, which he wore occasionally before, the grean ones and a new pair of red and black ones.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2010 5:44:19 GMT -5
He's been in the company like maybe 2 years, tops, and had a good feud, even if he lost in the end. He isn't living high on the hog, but that doesn't quite make him a ham and egger, now, does it?
Time will tell.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Mar 18, 2010 10:25:17 GMT -5
He's not jamaican anymore and besides, he doesn't stand out without that gimmick. He's boring now, he just wears black trunks with a logo on them, they removed his colorful "no worries mon" persona that got him over in the first place, cause they thought they would have him break out. But they changed their mind about 6 weeks later and now he's like everybody else. You aren't paying attention. He has four different trunks he wears at times. The yellow ones, the black ones, which he wore occasionally before, the grean ones and a new pair of red and black ones. He wore had yellow and black on Monday. So five now!
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 18, 2010 11:32:09 GMT -5
Kofi is this year's version of MVP. I wonder who the next "MVP" will be? I'm guessing Otunga at this point.
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Post by sybaku on Mar 18, 2010 13:40:05 GMT -5
I think he got screwed by feuding with Orton, obviously they needed this Legacy Implosion match to happen at WM so they just aborted the Kofi/Orton feud when it looked like Orton would be face, I really see Legacy ganging up on Orton at WM, then Kofi comes out of nowhere saves Orton and it gets turned into a Improtu Tag Team Match, no way Kofi gets left off the Mania card you don't build a guy like that then insta-job him (unless his name is Brian Kendrick or Paul London)
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Mar 18, 2010 13:46:45 GMT -5
I still think the feud with Orton ruined him. Not because he was not getting a win over Orton, but right after that huge brawl they had, the crowd were actually turning on him. I still don't know why it happened but no matter how you put it, the crowd was siding with orton for the majority of the feud.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Mar 18, 2010 13:56:06 GMT -5
Kinda funny, Kofi was supposed to be the next big thing, but it turns out he is just the next Shelton Benjamin. He even had the whole "get some wins over a main eventer and look to break out, only to be squashed back into midcard" mini feud with Orton that Shelton had with HHH.
Keep in mind, I do not blame Kofi for it anymore than I blame Swagger, MVP, or Shelton for not being able to break out. They all have the tools to do so, but all suffer from the typical WWE yo-yo booking that every young guy gets.
You cant get behind someone if you know WWE isn't behind them. I didn't even get excited about this Kofi stuff because I knew that the best thing to come out of it would be the moment in MSG where he put Orton through a table and got a huge pop.
After that it was only a matter of time before he got squashed and forgotten about just like every other midcarder or young guy the crowd tries to get excited for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 13:59:08 GMT -5
Yeah Kofi coulda been big but then he lost three straight times to the Ortron and made the whole feud look like he got lucky
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Post by eJm on Mar 18, 2010 14:02:48 GMT -5
Yeah Kofi coulda been big but then he lost three straight times to the Ortron and made the whole feud look like he got lucky That's the thing that gets me when people say 'Oh, he wasn't over in that 3 way No 1 contenders match on Raw'. Of course he wasn't, Orton beat him clean as a whistle on two occasions before then. People weren't suddenly going to buy him as a sudden contender for the WWE title when he didn't beat a former Champion. I just believe they had the oppertunity and didn't go through with it. In a business where 99% of it is relied on fan interaction and how they spend their money, Wrestling has this weird tendancy on not going through with what the fans want at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 14:07:34 GMT -5
Kofi will be a midcarder until they decide to give him some character traits worthy of a main event star.
Randy Orton: Methodical, cold, maims with no thought for the future, unable to form alliances. He's "The Viper" (the guy actually slithered on the ground a few times).
Batista: Arrogant, self-absorbed, greedy, confident to a fault sometimes.
John Cena: Sticks to his guns, resilient, integrity coming out of his eyeballs. Too loyal to doing what's right and gets screwed over for it.
HHH: This a tough one because sometimes he's THE GAME and sometimes he's just HHH - member of DX. When he's "the Game" though he's probably billed as the most long-term thinking wrestler. The "cerebral assasin" who plans out things way in advance.
Right now they've just got Kofi Kingston: He wrestles.
But he's still new and has time to develop.
Not everyone can become a 3D character in the span of a couple years like Punk did.
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Post by toonami4life on Mar 18, 2010 14:09:33 GMT -5
Kofi was pretty much like I said before a Flavor of The Month. They made you think he was going to be one of the next big things and future champions but instead they blew it which seems to be the norm for WWE. Personally I think he should have been the guy that faced Cena back at TLC instead of Sheamus cause that was after his big win at Survivor Series.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Mar 18, 2010 14:09:52 GMT -5
Yeah Kofi coulda been big but then he lost three straight times to the Ortron and made the whole feud look like he got lucky That's the thing that gets me when people say 'Oh, he wasn't over in that 3 way No 1 contenders match on Raw'. Of course he wasn't, Orton beat him clean as a whistle on two occasions before then. People weren't suddenly going to buy him as a sudden contender for the WWE title when he didn't beat a former Champion. I just believe they had the oppertunity and didn't go through with it. In a business where 99% of it is relied on fan interaction and how they spend their money, Wrestling has this weird tendancy on not going through with what the fans want at the time. I never understood that. Most of wrestlings success stories dont stem from long, well planned storylines or careful pushes, but simply kowing what the fans want and providing it. I mean, lets say random midcarder keeps getting pops and crowd support even though he isnt an integral part of the show. He is then put into a throwaway match with the champ, or a little mini angle like Shelton or Kofi. He gets a fluke win, the crowd is popping big for him and he seems to be gaining momentum. Why not run with that? Even if you had no long term plans for the feud as a booker, or didn't think of the guy as ready for the main event or fit for it at all. Why just squash him until the crowd gives up? Even if you push someone as a result of crowd reaction and their heat wanes, you can still push them down the card again anyway.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 18, 2010 14:14:39 GMT -5
Kofi will be a midcarder until they decide to give him some character traits worthy of a main event star. Randy Orton: Methodical, cold, maims with no thought for the future, unable to form alliances. He's "The Viper" (the guy actually slithered on the ground a few times). Batista: Arrogant, self-absorbed, greedy, confident to a fault sometimes. John Cena: Sticks to his guns, resilient, integrity coming out of his eyeballs. Too loyal to doing what's right and gets screwed over for it. HHH: This a tough one because sometimes he's THE GAME and sometimes he's just HHH - member of DX. When he's "the Game" though he's probably billed as the most long-term thinking wrestler. The "cerebral assasin" who plans out things way in advance. Right now they've just got Kofi Kingston: He wrestles. But he's still new and has time to develop. Not everyone can become a 3D character in the span of a couple years like Punk did. Actually Kofi's character is pretty much the same as Cena's. He's never backed down from Orton has he? And even though he never beat Orton he wasn't afraid to try to make a save against Batista. And even though that failed he still wanted a match against Batista.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 14:21:03 GMT -5
I think that's where they'll go with him eventually.
Kofi just needs more time on the mic and to round out a character a little more.
I could see him as a guy who always steps in when things are messed up. They kind of hinted at it with Cena's beatdown a couple weeks ago.
Just have slowly insert himself into fueds that are one sided to incur some heel's anger and go from there.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Mar 18, 2010 14:22:13 GMT -5
Kofi will be a midcarder until they decide to give him some character traits worthy of a main event star. Randy Orton: Methodical, cold, maims with no thought for the future, unable to form alliances. He's "The Viper" (the guy actually slithered on the ground a few times). Batista: Arrogant, self-absorbed, greedy, confident to a fault sometimes. John Cena: Sticks to his guns, resilient, integrity coming out of his eyeballs. Too loyal to doing what's right and gets screwed over for it. HHH: This a tough one because sometimes he's THE GAME and sometimes he's just HHH - member of DX. When he's "the Game" though he's probably billed as the most long-term thinking wrestler. The "cerebral assasin" who plans out things way in advance. Right now they've just got Kofi Kingston: He wrestles. But he's still new and has time to develop. Not everyone can become a 3D character in the span of a couple years like Punk did. Actually Kofi's character is pretty much the same as Cena's. He's never backed down from Orton has he? And even though he never beat Orton he wasn't afraid to try to make a save against Batista. And even though that failed he still wanted a match against Batista. To add to this, I dont see how Kofi has any less character than Sheamus, or even Rey Mysterio. Sheamus: Big mean heel that beats up people because he wants to, other than that no real character or motivation. Kofi: Smallish friendly guy that doesn't back down from challenges and can pick up a win at any moment with explosive finisher and offense. This isn't exactly an era of 3D characters in WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 14:30:18 GMT -5
Definitely not for Sheamus, but he just got there and for some reason they put the title on him. ::coughsHHHcoughs::. and Sheamus' main event status isn't rock solid yet.
My point was that Kofi will only be a midcarder for life if they don't give him some dimension to his character.
Jerchio, Edge, Batista, Punk, HHH, Cena, HBK, Orton are the main event guys right now and they all have somewhat dynamic characters, but that also comes from being in WWE for a while.
The only exception is Undertaker - who exists in a different universe altogether. The last of the "supernatural superstars."
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Post by Shaq-Fu on Mar 18, 2010 14:52:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I think it's just as much that Orton's a terrible heel. You're not gonna get over going up against him, because the crowd's likely to turn on you.
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