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Post by chazraps on Mar 22, 2010 1:43:14 GMT -5
The hardcore fans who don't like Cena are going to stick with the monopoly no matter what. Cena has captured the heart of the casual audience and that's who the WWE needs right now for business.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 1:46:43 GMT -5
I would rather have Cena in his spot than MVP. Really, Cena's earned his place - he's the hardest working guy in the company and, in my opinion, the best all-around worker.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 1:51:37 GMT -5
Again if anyone who gets pushed will take why not give it to a guy who's dedicated and gives to charity
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 22, 2010 2:08:33 GMT -5
John Cena is not the Superstar we need....he's the Superstar we deserve.
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Post by The Great El' PANDA King on Mar 22, 2010 3:11:54 GMT -5
How does he not deserve his spot? He's never been caught doping; he's never been in any scandals; all reports speak highly of him outside the ring; he goes around the television media to promote the product; he doesn't get injured a lot (and when he does, he comes back faster than expected); he works hard at his craft; he's over with the main audience of the WWE. You might not like the guy, but you can't say he doesn't deserve his spot.
Maybe if he had been caught doing steroids, had a past of misbehavior, etc, then maybe you could say he didn't deserve it. But in all reality, Cena is a spotless guy at the moment with a good head on his shoulders. That is what the WWE needs. They're promoting towards kids, and Cena gets kids. He's a friendly, nice, and goofy guy with a clean background that they can market.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 22, 2010 5:35:18 GMT -5
Cena totally deserves his spot. The man's an absolute workhorse.
If some more technically sound wrestlers had even half his drive and passion for pro wrestling, maybe they'd be in a similar spot too.
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Post by r. on Mar 22, 2010 6:34:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I went where everyone doesn't dare to go. I don't think John Cena deserves his current spot. I think that the whole thing is a big work on us, that WWE shove his work ethic and "passion" for the business down our throats because we voiced our opinion about how bad he was in the ring years ago. They're basically trying to change adults' minds by saying "Hey, this guy is a good guy, does alot for charity and has an insane work-ethic!". Well, guess what? I don't care. He can give all the money to charity he wants, he can spend as much time in the gym as he wants. The fact of the matter is... John Cena is THE single most stale character in the WWE right now. And the bad outshines the good by far. John Cena may be a hard worker behind the scenes but maybe he should take some of that time out of his busy schedule to learn some new moves and include them in his ever boring moveset routine that he proudly busts out every monday. WWE is up his ass because they NEED their next "guy". They can't go on without somebody to kiss ass... Austin left, Hogan left, The Rock left, they needed that guy and they've been licking his ass non-stop. Everywhere, even on Smackdown, you can't get rid of him. All I hear is "John Cena, John Cena, John Cena". I hope he pulls a Randy Savage and they never speak of him again, quite honestly. I've never been so sick and tired of a character in my entire life. I wouldn't mind if he was something incredibly special, but he's not. Cena wasn't even the top merchandise seller until Jeff Hardy left. And before anybody rubs it in, Cena has more merchandise than just about anybody on the roster. They obviously put the most work into his t-shirts considering everybody elses (The Miz, Sheamus) are extremely bland. My main problem is, everytime WWE is going really good. Like for instance Chris Jericho's world title run in 2008, he comes back and spoils it. He inserts his boring ass into the feud and completely turns it stale again. Sheamus' title reign was just kicking off and they just HAD to have Cena come in and ruin it. Sometimes, I don't see the point in watching this or hoping that somehow, the program will change. Because it won't, sure it might change for a few weeks or so, but fear no more, because Cena is here to save the day! Why? Because he has a good work ethic! Please. Cena is easily replaceable, and anybody they shove down our throats like him, will eventually connect with the 6 year olds. I think it's time he steps down and gives guys like MVP and Jack Swagger a shot. Take a little break or something, I don't know. Everytime somebody like MVP or Kofi Kingston get Cena-like pops, WWE de-pushes him. I think they flat-out NEED to have this guy on top and can't and won't build anybody up to take it. They're afraid to do it, basically. The guy is the absolute cancer to Raw right now. He doesn't need any world titles, because if he was that over in the first place, he wouldn't need his stupid little spinning belt around his waist to get cheers. He's no Rock, Austin or Hogan. He's on top during an abortion of a period, and it's pretty much terrible because of that fact. The minute he gets off the top, Raw instantly comes better. I don't think that's any coincidence. agreed 1,000,000% **edit** removed two of the gifs, page stretching issues.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Mar 22, 2010 6:49:01 GMT -5
Yeah I can see what the OP means.
I don't have any problems at all with Cena as an individual, but as a wrestler I do. For some reason the WWE always seem to want to protect him with the booking, and I don't understand it at all. He's over enough that he can take a few beatdowns and losses and still get a pop. People always say that Jericho will be over as a heel despite losing, so why can't the same logic apply to a babyface?
Plus, his selling irritates the piss out of me. Perhaps he's told to do it like that, but all the same its ridiculous most of the time.
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Post by AndyUK on Mar 22, 2010 6:51:58 GMT -5
Of course he deserves his spot. Who the hell are you to say he doesn't? He works his ass off to entertain us every week and off screen and is never in any trouble. He's perfect to be the face of the company and for the last time, he is not bad in the ring. He's no technical marvel but that isn't the point of pro wrestling, the point is to tell a story.
His character is stale and it does annoy me at times but why would they turn him heel or even tweak his character when he brings in more money than anyone and they have no second big face to go to?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 22, 2010 6:54:13 GMT -5
He got over, works his ass off, and has given the WWE his complete loyalty. If he doesn't deserve his spot, then did Undertaker deserve his? There have been more capable wrestlers than both of them, but that's really only part of the puzzle. It's like saying the only important part of a sword is the blade. You're going to notice the lack of a handle.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 22, 2010 7:28:02 GMT -5
Oh believe me your not alone. I turn the channel anytime he's on tv. Totally sick of him and have been for years. Glad Edge returned beat his possibly career ending injury and won the Rumble so he can be in the main event of WM......... Oh wait thats not gonna happen this year now is it. Nope nope nope We have to see if cena can finally beat Batista yup thats definately going on last Actually, there is a good chance HBK/Taker II goes on last.
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Post by Reg the Veg on Mar 22, 2010 12:52:50 GMT -5
i think you have a different view on what cena's "spot" is att he moment.
he isn't thrown into the main event all the time like he was back in 05/06. what cena is now is a reliable pair of hands who they give the main spot to when they're in between creating new main eventers, much like bret hart in the mid 90s. and to say he doesn't deserve that role is ignorant of what he has done. the OP said that cena's PR and charity work doesn't mean anything, but i feel it does. when WWE sends someone out to make an appearance on their behalf, they want someone who has name value, and will represent the company well. cena is arguably the best candidate for that. he hasn't been caught doing drugs or really doing anything which would land the company in hot water, he gets a loud reaction in any part of the country (or world, for that matter), and, regardless of moveset, can be relied upon to put on a good match (alot of people criticise things like cena's moveset, but anyone who thinks he's a bad wrestler is ignoring the massive crowd reactions and enormous critical acclaim that so many of his matches have had).
cena is the ultimate placeholder, whenever there's a mainevent babyface spot to be filled and they don't have a new main eventer (e.g jeff hardy in 08) or returning babyface (e.g edge) to push, they throw cena in. and every time, he delivers. at the end of the day, if you were running a wrestling company, you would have to be foolish not to put john cena into the role he's currently in in WWE.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Mar 22, 2010 13:10:45 GMT -5
I would rather have Cena in his spot than MVP. Really, Cena's earned his place - he's the hardest working guy in the company and, in my opinion, the best all-around worker. that's pretty much it, he's the main character because he earned it
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Mar 22, 2010 13:10:47 GMT -5
If it was Kennedy or MVP in that spot, you wouldn't be complaining. No disrespect intended, since it isn't just you, but this is perhaps the most annoying, frequently-recurring argument in the IWC. Somebody complains about a wrestler, the natural retort is "Well, if it was [blank], you wouldn't be complaining." It's a bit arrogant in its presumptuousness, since the replier projects the trends of the IWC onto the initial complainant, so that the argument becomes an issue of "Well, if he doesn't like Cena, he MUST like Kennedy then." And that may not necessarily be the case. And I don't even agree with the OP. Outside of HHH, HBK, and the Undertaker, I don't think there's anybody on the roster who deserves his spot MORE than John Cena. I don't believe for one second that his work ethic is hype, nor the charity work. I don't believe it's an attempt to change adult minds so that we'll all suddenly like him. I think it's just a tactic to make him more mainstream, saying "Hey, this guy has granted over 150 wishes for the Make-a-Wish Foundation, because he's more requested than Big Stars x, y, and z." I'll always respect John Cena and contend that he deserves his spot, especially since he was probably a few weeks away from Future Endeavorsville when he decided to dress up as Vanilla Ice for the Smackdown Halloween Sketch and creative let him run with it. But yeah, the argument that "if you don't like X, then you MUST like Y, which therefore means if it was Y in X's spot, you wouldn't be complaining" is a bit insulting. I know for a fact that if ANYONE embarked on a run of staleness as long as John Cena's, I'd revolt against them. If CM Punk is still doing the Straight Edge Society five years from now, I'll probably be sick to death of it. If Edge is still the Ultimate Opportunist in a year's time, I'll bitch about that, too. Nobody is immune from staleness. HHH and HBK were stale as all hell in DX, the Undertaker is pretty stale as a character, but then what else can you really do with him? And even up-and-coming guys like Morrison and Kofi haven't gotten to add much depth to their characters, instead being identified almost exclusively by the flashy moves they do. So in short, I think the OP certainly has the right to bitch about Cena without the patronizing argument that presumes to know what they would enjoy. Everybody's tastes are different, and just because you dislike John Cena doesn't mean you think Kennedy got a raw deal by getting axed, or that you think it's a crime that The Miz is mentoring Danielson, or that you think HBK/Taker should go on last at Mania. It just means you don't like John Cena. End rant.
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Post by Tapout on Mar 22, 2010 13:17:03 GMT -5
"I personally don't like Cena" = fine, join the club.
"Cena doesn't deserve his spot" = totally wrong. The man has absolutely worked his ass off to get where he is and deserves all of his success. He KNOWS what he's done, what the company's done, and the direction things are going in. He KNOWS the vocal minority in the IWC hates him. When he was getting booed at PPVs, he was RIGHT THERE. He was the one getting booed, you see. He's AWARE that some people don't like him, and unlike other crybaby talent, he keeps his chin up, and allows fans with dissenting opinions to have their say (because they bought their tickets) while not letting it detract from the entire product by dignifying the boos and catcalls with a response.
To say that you don't like him is fine, there are plenty of people here who share the opinion.
To say that a guy like him who has given everything he has for so many years, taken the abuse from the angry smarks, sells tons of merchandise and brings in the ratings after working so hard to establish himself, doesn't deserve his spot is crazy talk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 13:31:42 GMT -5
John Cena is not the Superstar we need....he's the Superstar we deserve. ;D Bravo. I agree with what's been posted so far in defense of John Cena's spot. Here's another thing: in the real world, people often don't deserve the spot they have, high or low, good or bad. It's life. If you think that people are going to get spots solely on what they deserve then you are sadly mistaken.
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Post by angryauthor on Mar 22, 2010 13:31:48 GMT -5
How does he not deserve his spot? He's never been caught doping; he's never been in any scandals; all reports speak highly of him outside the ring; he goes around the television media to promote the product; he doesn't get injured a lot (and when he does, he comes back faster than expected); he works hard at his craft; he's over with the main audience of the WWE. You might not like the guy, but you can't say he doesn't deserve his spot. Maybe if he had been caught doing steroids, had a past of misbehavior, etc, then maybe you could say he didn't deserve it. But in all reality, Cena is a spotless guy at the moment with a good head on his shoulders. That is what the WWE needs. They're promoting towards kids, and Cena gets kids. He's a friendly, nice, and goofy guy with a clean background that they can market. Right up until the words edited from the post to be underlined, your point is entirely irrelevant. How good a guy a wrestler is away from the ring, and how well behaved they are has nothing to do with how entertaining they are. The OP's point was built on the entertainment (or lack thereof in his opinion) of Cena. Therefore responses should really be levelled at whether Cena's entertaining. To return us to the matter, I don't like Cena either. But he's huge with the kids, who are the target audience right now. I find the point about Jeff being a bigger merch seller interesting, and also proof that Jeff really needed a bigger push. But Cena's also huge with the kids, and that's damn important when they're the bread and butter of the WWE right now.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 22, 2010 13:47:02 GMT -5
Cena deserves his spot. He might not deserve your fandom, but really you or I are just drops in the bucket and we really don't matter in the big picture. And the big picture is of a man who is probably their best investment by far.
Now Jeff Hardy might sell more merchandise but which one do you think Vince feels more confident putting money into?
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Post by corndog on Mar 22, 2010 13:49:15 GMT -5
I love the people that brought up the doping and keeping his nose clean outside the ring. I wonder if Vince thought this way in the 80s/90s? Well I guess take away Roddy Piper, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, obviously the Iron Sheik, Jake Roberts, the British Bulldogs, Shawn Micheals, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman, Curt Hennig, and there is definitely more. Man the WWF would have sucked back in the day if they thought the way they do now.
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Post by Subrick on Mar 22, 2010 14:14:48 GMT -5
My opinion on Cena's this:
When he came in back in 2002 as a standard kinda face, I was indifferent to him. When he started doing the wigger rapping gimmick, my interest raised. It was during this time that he knew more than 4 moves and he actually could wrestle a really good match. I loved his match with Undertaker at Vengeance and the parking lot brawl with Eddie was awesome. When he won the US Title at WM 20 I'll admit I marked a bit. Then I marked again but harder when he beat JBL for the title. His I Quit match with JBL is still one of my favorite matches ever. I started getting bored with him after his abhorrent promos on Jericho in 2005. When he beat Hunter at WM 22, I remember telling myself "Wow. I really don't like him anymore." When he got booed to hell at ONS, I laughed my ass off and reveled in it. I consider his title reign that lasted over a year from 06-07 to be another Reign of Terror. I remember cursing at my TV when he made Shawn tap out at WM 23; that was the stupidest looking STF I've ever seen. Today he's not so much bad as he is really really REALLY f***ing overused, boring, and stale. I went on a curse out again when he won at both SS 08 and WM 25. I will admit though that his promo with Edge on The Cutting Edge before Backlash is one of the best promos I've seen in a while. I really started to get annoyed with him again after he started doing 30 minute "inspirational" promos every week. I got so pissed off at him winning at EC. When Batista came out and took the belt off him, I marked so f***ing hard. Now I'm just hoping that he isn't on last at Mania this year. Shawn and Taker deserve that.
That's all.
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