John Cena doesn't deserve his spot

[Haulk]

The IWC deserves Cena because we don't back anyone else on Raw. Like Sheamus or Orton?

[SAJ Forth]

I honestly disagree, I think Cena has done his best to carry the ball as one of the main attractions in this particluar down period.

[Gus Richlen Was Wrong]

Mar 22, 2010 15:40:43 GMT -5 Jason said:

Mar 22, 2010 15:15:20 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

this coming from someone with Kurt Angle in his sig.

aside from ass jockey styles and kevin nash, angle has done more than anyone else to completly monopolize the titles at TNA. and he doesn't have half the fanbase or work ethic that cena does. to argue that angle, who i've always found to be grossly overrated and overpushed, is a better wrestler and person than cena is truly wrong.

and in my opinion, i'll take cena/batista as the last match of wm26 before i even glance at another horriffic taker/hbk match, with all respect in the world due to them.

Kurt Angle makes people look good and they don't make him look insanely unstoppable when he loses. The only way John Cena ever loses is by distraction or DQ, if somebody beats him, they shove an excuse down our throats. There was no excuses when Anderson beat him, it was just simply "He was the better man, kudos!", if that was Cena, it would be "John Cena had the match won and he was robbed!"

That's why the Anderson character can be taken seriously and Sheamus (in some people's eyes) can't. He didn't benefit from the Cena win because they made it out to be a fluke, which resulted in his whole title run as a joke. If they said "Sheamus, who can stop this guy? He just beat John Cena with his bare hands!", MAYBE some people would wake up and smell the Guinness.

Cena makes nobody look good. Swagger is practically the only exception. And that's because he's friends with him in real life, as far as I'm aware. I remember in the Slammy's Raw from November, he beat CM Punk in ONE minute, he made him tap straight away. That's not an exaggeration, I re-looked it up and he beat him in 1:12. You don't beat a former 3 time world champion in 1:12. He made Chris Benoit tap during WM23 week, you don't make Chris Benoit tap out unless you're Kurt Angle. That was an absolute disgrace, and not in the smarky way either. I'm not the type of guy who would get pissed if he did it to Daniel Bryan, as he's not even established yet, but I was flat-out disgusted when he did that to Benoit.

Those are just exceptions too. He absolutely raped The Miz during the summer and some people argue that it was for the better, but I beg to differ. The Miz didn't need to get murdered to change his ring attire, his personality is the exact same minus the douchey clothes. You can thank guys like MVP for making The Miz a credible threat, he actually put him over and made us believe he actually could, someday become a world champion. John Cena did not.

you're kidding, right? miz has less talent than a bucket of used firecrackers, can't merch worth a damn, and has atrocious mic skills.
add to that the fact that he's beaten legit talents like kofi and morrison, and it makes me sicker that you would actually suggest that miz is more deserving than cena. if miz ever becomes world champion, i'll be of the mindset that russo is secretly working for vince mcmahon again.

as for not making anyone look good, how long did some of cena's matches against hbk, umaga, edge, and khali last? and khli couldn't wrestle if his life depended on it. orton can't wrestle, either, and cena put him over like a you-know-whatter. so don't give me this crap about cena not making people look good. cuz if cena can't make you look good, then no one else can (this means miz and swagger).

and angle be all humbledy-bumble all he wants when he gets his ass kicked, but he and nash and ass jockey bury more pushes than the entire wwe roster COMBINED.

[Bub (BLM)]

I don't care for Cena, but I disagree. He got himself ridiculously over, and always gets loud reactions, positive or negative. He wouldn't deserve his spot if he just wasn't over enough to justify it.

If we really want to talk about guys not deserving their spot, Drew McIntyre and Sheamus come quickly to mind. I'm not saying they have no talent or wouldn't deserve their spots in the future. I just feel that they should have been required to actually get over first.

[Jason]

Mar 22, 2010 15:50:12 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

Mar 22, 2010 15:40:43 GMT -5 Jason said:

Kurt Angle makes people look good and they don't make him look insanely unstoppable when he loses. The only way John Cena ever loses is by distraction or DQ, if somebody beats him, they shove an excuse down our throats. There was no excuses when Anderson beat him, it was just simply "He was the better man, kudos!", if that was Cena, it would be "John Cena had the match won and he was robbed!"

That's why the Anderson character can be taken seriously and Sheamus (in some people's eyes) can't. He didn't benefit from the Cena win because they made it out to be a fluke, which resulted in his whole title run as a joke. If they said "Sheamus, who can stop this guy? He just beat John Cena with his bare hands!", MAYBE some people would wake up and smell the Guinness.

Cena makes nobody look good. Swagger is practically the only exception. And that's because he's friends with him in real life, as far as I'm aware. I remember in the Slammy's Raw from November, he beat CM Punk in ONE minute, he made him tap straight away. That's not an exaggeration, I re-looked it up and he beat him in 1:12. You don't beat a former 3 time world champion in 1:12. He made Chris Benoit tap during WM23 week, you don't make Chris Benoit tap out unless you're Kurt Angle. That was an absolute disgrace, and not in the smarky way either. I'm not the type of guy who would get pissed if he did it to Daniel Bryan, as he's not even established yet, but I was flat-out disgusted when he did that to Benoit.

Those are just exceptions too. He absolutely raped The Miz during the summer and some people argue that it was for the better, but I beg to differ. The Miz didn't need to get murdered to change his ring attire, his personality is the exact same minus the douchey clothes. You can thank guys like MVP for making The Miz a credible threat, he actually put him over and made us believe he actually could, someday become a world champion. John Cena did not.

you're kidding, right? miz has less talent than a bucket of used firecrackers, can't merch worth a damn, and has atrocious mic skills.
add to that the fact that he's beaten legit talents like kofi and morrison, and it makes me sicker that you would actually suggest that miz is more deserving than cena. if miz ever becomes world champion, i'll be of the mindset that russo is secretly working for vince mcmahon again.

as for not making anyone look good, how long did some of cena's matches against hbk, umaga, edge, and khali last? and khli couldn't wrestle if his life depended on it. orton can't wrestle, either, and cena put him over like a you-know-whatter. so don't give me this crap about cena not making people look good. cuz if cena can't make you look good, then no one else can (this means miz and swagger).

and angle be all humbledy-bumble all he wants when he gets his ass kicked, but he and nash and ass jockey bury more pushes than the entire wwe roster COMBINED.

The Miz has ONE t-shirt to sell, and it's currently in the top 10 most sold. I don't understand how you can say The Miz has no mic skills. He is clearly more entertaining than John Cena has been on the mic for, about 5 years now. Shawn Michaels and Edge didn't need to be put over by Cena, period. Umaga and Khali were bigger than Cena, so of course he couldn't throw them around like he does with everyone else.

And Orton can't wrestle? lol. If anything Orton was putting Cena over, not vice versa. He wouldn't even be in that spot if guys like Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Triple H and JBL put him over like a "you-know-whatter". Point is, The Miz needed to be put over by a guy like Cena, Sheamus needed to be put over by a guy like Cena, with no excuses, just like John Cena was with the above guys. They simply won't do that cause they're so up his ass that he can never in their mind, lose clean. There will always be an excuse preventing the guy who by some mircale, beats him getting over.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

...alongside sniping and needless racial crap, I'm shutting 'er down.

And for the record, he most certainly does deserve the praise.