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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 2, 2010 7:16:18 GMT -5
I don't care about him always winning so much as the no-selling.
I just got kicked in the head, a move that supposedly puts people out for weeks, but I'm perfectly fine afterward!
And it makes no sense for him to still be wearing the PWT jorts anymore.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Apr 2, 2010 7:35:48 GMT -5
I don't care about him always winning so much as the no-selling. I just got kicked in the head, a move that supposedly puts people out for weeks, but I'm perfectly fine afterward! And it makes no sense for him to still be wearing the PWT jorts anymore. Cole & King covered that really well though a HIAC. If you remember during the match Cena was working on Orton's leg and when Orton kind of wiffed on the kick they covered it by saying Orton didn't get all of it because of his bad leg so it did make sense that Cena was just dizzy/groggy and not fully out. Also I agree about the shorts, it just doesn't work anymore. As for the topic, yeah it gets annoying sometimes how he just comes back, but my problem is he's still treated like a normal guy sometimes. For example, he beats Orton at Breaking Point, but then loses a month later to Orton, a BIG Star like Cena shouldn't have 1/2 month title reigns, he should have like 5 month reigns and then have a normal feud for a couple months then chase the title for a few months and switch that up every year. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 2, 2010 9:12:32 GMT -5
- Jack Swagger > Do I need to stretch how much of a tool he made him look on monday? This wasn't booking. This was vintage Cena, he no-sold his briefcase shots, and worst of all... he smiles about it afterwards. This proves you are simply on an anti-Cena campaign becuase you obviously didn't watch RAW. Cena DID sell the briefcase shots. You seemed to miss the part where Cena was on the mat in pain for a minute while Swagger was calling for a ref. Only after the ref got down there did Cena go on a rally Calling that No-selling shows you don't have a clue what no-selling truly is. |
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Apr 2, 2010 9:14:30 GMT -5
- Jack Swagger > Do I need to stretch how much of a tool he made him look on monday? This wasn't booking. This was vintage Cena, he no-sold his briefcase shots, and worst of all... he smiles about it afterwards. This proves you are simply on an anti-Cena campaign becuase you obviously didn't watch RAW. Cena DID sell the briefcase shots. You seemed to miss the part where Cena was on the mat in pain for a minute while Swagger was calling for a ref. Only after the ref got down there did Cena go on a rally Calling that No-selling shows you don't have a clue what no-selling truly is. THIS. |
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Apr 2, 2010 9:22:14 GMT -5
I've always felt that Cena is the kind of guy who does what he's told, no matter what. He has the look and the work ethic, so Vince gave him the ball and Cena let him be the puppet master. I truly believe that Cena can actually wrestle if they would let him (repeat in caps for emphasis IF THEY WOULD LET HIM) but they won't. And a heel turn isn't necessarily the answer. Yes, the return of heel Cena would rock all hell, but it would be bad for business. Face Cena taking some time off, then returning as Face Cena With Attitude would be better (think Cena right before being drafted to Raw).
On his own, Cena could be the next Rock, but Vince wants him to be the next Hogan. Cena wants to stay in the driver's seat on the gravy train, so he's gonna listen to the boss, move for move, word for word, smile for smile.
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Post by dh03grad on Apr 2, 2010 9:46:11 GMT -5
Strong top faces have proven to be good for business. A tad part of WCW not being around and TNA staying where it is would be that they favor long heel title runs, and in TNA if a face start gaining momentum, a heel turn awaits. The two times WWE had heel reigns of terror, they were a detriment to business.
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Post by metylerca on Apr 2, 2010 10:01:27 GMT -5
You're kidding? Cena more exciting than Hogan? Hogan had the crowd in the palm of his hands just by pointing his finger. Cena does his little protobomb or whatever he calls it, gets up and looks innocently at a mixed crowd full of A. kids cheering him and B. smarks booing him. I find Cena's "thing" more annoying than Hogan, why? Because they actually acknowledged Hogan was hulking up. It was a huge part of the character, when Cena does his "hulk up", it is basically unacknowledged in the "WWE Universe" and they go on about how Cena wrestled a damn good match.Oh yeah, Cena sold that punt in the Hell in a Cell PPV very well. Randy Orton missed the guy's head took his head clean off and Cena got straight up after the match was over and did his signature disappointed look sold it to perfection. The move that put Triple H, RVD, Shawn Michaels, Ted Dibiase, Cody Rhodes and others on the shelf for months and Cena gets straight up after it and acts like nothing happened sells it for months on end. Big Show? Yeah, he got thrown through a light and returned the next night on speghetti legs, all to cost Big Show a match and to smirk about it after-wards had to take weeks off, before returning for his big match against the Showster. Two things, remember that it's your opinion that Cena is overrated, not an absolute fact as you claim it to be. He entertains just as many people as he annoys. Next, remember that wrestling is not real. It's a production, a show. Take a step back, and realize that. Not every character reacts to the same moves in the same way. In the case with Orton hitting the punt on Cena, he didn't get all of the kick and as a result, Cena wasn't put on the shelf for 3 months. But Orton still won the match, cleanly I might add. He is built up as this larger than life character that kids can look up to and cheer for, much like Hogan was in the 1980's. Back then, a heel such as Piper could take out other guys with his sleeper hold and they would be out for a while, but whenever Piper put the hold on Hogan, Hulk always seemed to power out, and the crowds went wild as a result. It makes sense, although you not liking Cena will hinder seeing it that way. Cena is this generation's Hogan or Austin, that's as close to the truth as one can get. Is he better than them? I don't think so, but that doesn't make it so. Also... Cena seemingly just can't. some is the writers fault, i think it's mostly his. When they chant "you can't wrestle" and he smiles, it annoys me. So it annoys you that Cena is not personally affected by the vocal minority in the crowd that dislike him? Is he supposed to get pissed off on camera whenever people boo him? He's a good sport about it, and even showed his sense of humor at Wrestlemania when he posed with the fans in the front row with "Cena Sucks" t-shirts. |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Apr 2, 2010 10:09:05 GMT -5
On his own, Cena could be the next Rock, but Vince wants him to be the next Hogan. Cena wants to stay in the driver's seat on the gravy train, so he's gonna listen to the boss, move for move, word for word, smile for smile. I don't think Vince ever really wants "another Rock". Cena's damn close tho. He's a media icon but Vince isn't allowing him to parlay that into anything bigger because of how The Duane is doing now. |
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Apr 2, 2010 10:16:00 GMT -5
Strong top faces have proven to be good for business. A tad part of WCW not being around and TNA staying where it is would be that they favor long heel title runs, and in TNA if a face start gaining momentum, a heel turn awaits. The two times WWE had heel reigns of terror, they were a detriment to business. I agree that having one solid face at the top is good for business. I just wish theyd give him some more ammunition in his promo-work. And again, NO JORTS! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 10:54:42 GMT -5
Can I ask something?
What the hell are Jorts?
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 2, 2010 10:58:26 GMT -5
Can I ask something? What the hell are Jorts? Internet shorthand for jean shorts. |
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 2, 2010 11:04:20 GMT -5
I do agree that 90% of the time the booking is overly protective when it comes to Cena. He rarely seems vulnerable, and it bothers me somewhat, I will admit.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 2, 2010 11:11:46 GMT -5
The Rock was really the only megababyface who made his oppoments like good even while beating them. Austin too to an extent. This has existed since the Hogan days.
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Apr 2, 2010 11:37:44 GMT -5
On his own, Cena could be the next Rock, but Vince wants him to be the next Hogan. Cena wants to stay in the driver's seat on the gravy train, so he's gonna listen to the boss, move for move, word for word, smile for smile. I don't think Vince ever really wants "another Rock". Cena's damn close tho. He's a media icon but Vince isn't allowing him to parlay that into anything bigger because of how The Duane is doing now. Well I mean Rock as in personality and ring ability, not Rock as in "he's gonna become a big Hollywood star then leave WWE". |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 2, 2010 11:54:44 GMT -5
I've always felt that Cena is the kind of guy who does what he's told, no matter what. This right here. He's probably like toned down version of Dwight from The Office. He'll do everything he's told and not question at all, no matter how it makes others look. Every guy in the back is probably like this, but he's probably the extreme example of this. |
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Apr 2, 2010 12:38:40 GMT -5
What are you on about? Hulking up was the most retarded thing ever. I'm saying that as someone who was a kid in the '80s and '90s. I hated Hogan and still do. Cena is more exciting and a better wrestler than Hogan ever was. Triple H is boring as hell in the ring too.. Here's an idea. Let's have DX beat up the whole tag division because that's believable. As far as the fans that find him attractive and not knowing his moves. The same could be said for a guy like John Morrison or the Miz. Cena sold to the Big Show when he was feuding with The Miz. Cena sold to Orton. He wrestles a brawler style same as Hunter and The Rock and later Steve Austin. He's not expected to be the most technical guy out there. I'm not even a Cena fan but you people are ridiculous with your arguments. It's just "cool" to hate him so you all jump on the bandwagon and spew the same thing over and over. I'm waiting for one of you to have an original thought. Starting......................now! You're kidding? Cena more exciting than Hogan? Hogan had the crowd in the palm of his hands just by pointing his finger. Cena does his little protobomb or whatever he calls it, gets up and looks innocently at a mixed crowd full of A. kids cheering him and B. smarks booing him. I find Cena's "thing" more annoying than Hogan, why? Because they actually acknowledged Hogan was hulking up. It was a huge part of the character, when Cena does his "hulk up", it is basically unacknowledged in the "WWE Universe" and they go on about how Cena wrestled a damn good match. Oh yeah, Cena sold that punt in the Hell in a Cell PPV very well. Randy Orton missed the guy's head took his head clean off and Cena got straight up after the match was over and did his signature disappointed look sold it to perfection. The move that put Triple H, RVD, Shawn Michaels, Ted Dibiase, Cody Rhodes and others on the shelf for months and Cena gets straight up after it and acts like nothing happened sells it for months on end. Big Show? Yeah, he got thrown through a light and returned the next night on speghetti legs, all to cost Big Show a match and to smirk about it afterwards had to take weeks off, before returning for his big match against the Showster. Where have I been?!  Bahahahahaha, you sir, made me chuckle heartily. The problem with Cena (in my opinion) is that, sure, he can sell when he's getting moves put on him, but five minutes later he's fine. And its not just Cena, others do it, too, but he does it A LOT. I was at Judgment Day in Chicago for Cena vs Big Show, if I'm remembering correctly, Big Show beat the holy heck out of Cena the week before, ravaged his ribs ... or something like that ... and then beat him mercilessly throughout the ENTIRE match at the PPV, and then at the very end Cena gets his finisher and wins and goes on like he didn't get beat down for 15 minutes. Logically, Cena shouldn't have won. I'm a very logical person, so it pisses me off when that happens. - Jack Swagger > Do I need to stretch how much of a tool he made him look on monday? This wasn't booking. This was vintage Cena, he no-sold his briefcase shots, and worst of all... he smiles about it afterwards. This proves you are simply on an anti-Cena campaign becuase you obviously didn't watch RAW. Cena DID sell the briefcase shots. You seemed to miss the part where Cena was on the mat in pain for a minute while Swagger was calling for a ref. Only after the ref got down there did Cena go on a rally Calling that No-selling shows you don't have a clue what no-selling truly is. Cena didn't sell those briefcase shots. After EVERY shot he went to get back up, and Swagger had to hit him about five times for Cena to stay down. Meanwhile, Triple H got nailed once by Sheamus and was dead for five minutes. Then, the ref finally gets down, Cena pops back up and starts to go to work on Swagger before Swagger runs away and Cena just smiles and acts like he didn't just get hit in the head about five times and almost had his belt stolen from him. He should've been pissed that he just got jumped, he should've been holding his head in pain. I didn't see any of that. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 2, 2010 14:01:25 GMT -5
I think the Cena Swagger interaction just showed how much a threat Swagger is now and Cena, who has lost a title to that briefcase before, despite his no selling-ness, acknowledged that threat. That smile was just a retort of "not going to be that easy for you". Plus with the interaction on Raw... {Spoiler}makes his showing up on Smackdown a bigger but also logical surprise. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 2, 2010 14:52:26 GMT -5
Cena didn't sell those briefcase shots. After EVERY shot he went to get back up, and Swagger had to hit him about five times for Cena to stay down. Meanwhile, Triple H got nailed once by Sheamus and was dead for five minutes. Then, the ref finally gets down, Cena pops back up and starts to go to work on Swagger before Swagger runs away and Cena just smiles and acts like he didn't just get hit in the head about five times and almost had his belt stolen from him. He should've been pissed that he just got jumped, he should've been holding his head in pain. I didn't see any of that. You don't have a clue what "no-selling" means. If Cena had been hit with the briefcase and remained standing there acting like nothing happened, that would be no-selling. The fact that he went down means he sold it. IF you wnat to make your argument, you should be saying that Cena didn't sell enough which is an legit argument and debatable. But trying to say that Cena no-sold the briefcase shots proves you don't know what "no selling" means. EDIT: And if Cena was holding his head after those briefcase shots, he would be the biggest idiot in WWE history, seeing as how HE WASN'T HIT IN THE HEAD AT ALL WITH THOSE SHOTS. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 2, 2010 15:01:34 GMT -5
Concerning Cena's tendency to be "indestructible" most of the time, I always go back to a certain a event, and that's Backlash 2009. By the end of this PPV, everyone thought that BOTH John Cena and Triple H were going to be out of action for a while.
- Triple H gets kicked in the head by Orton, and is out for a couple of weeks.
- Cena gets chokeslammed through a SEARCHLIGHT (which means glass, steel, wires and minor explosives). The next night on RAW, he's back unscathed and smiling.
I can (sort of) understand shrugging off briefcase shots, but that, come on now.
It makes me wonder how exactly they would have sold Cena's condition if Orton succeeded on blowing him up not too long ago.
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Post by mrjl on Apr 2, 2010 17:35:18 GMT -5
I hate the jorts as well, partially because no guy over the age of 18 with a full time job wears jorts. Bret Hart wears them. |
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