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Post by immortalphenom on Apr 3, 2010 21:27:51 GMT -5
Hey, have you heard of this guy named Dolph Ziggler? I heard he uses a sleeper hold as his finisher. You got Triple H out there destroying Sheamus the new monster in a quick one sided match almost at Mania. with both of his quads blown out and 10 years past his prime about.. You got Shawn and Taker headlining Mania.. Who past their best days quite a few years ago.. Lets face it.. They had their time to shine.. Its time for the future. its almost as bad as watching Flair and Hogan on TNA blading each other and having ME matches. Come on now!!! When is enough enough? They keep these guys around because they're what the crowd wants to see. Let's face it, they're not gonna have Drew McIntyre or Dolph Ziggler main-eventing Wrestlemania right out the gate. It took Edge 10 years to main event his first Mania. They need somebody to fill the gap and put asses in seats.
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Post by Fade on Apr 3, 2010 21:29:27 GMT -5
You cant keep going back to Triple H, Undertaker, Cena or Orton etc.. When your quick push experiement doesnt last. I dont think Cena will be around for another 5-10 years to be honest as I see he may the take the Rock's route and head off for Hollywood. No guarantee Orton will be around. Though he is the most likely. Triple H and Taker are on their literally last legs. You have to eventually put your faith in the younger guys CONSISTENTLY for the future of the business.. Or else there wont be a future. And they need to go over the established guys sooner or later. A win over taker at mania would blast start some young guys career, if booked right.. Ok so he doesnt get 20-0.. Its a FREAKIN WORK!!! Not a shoot. That would be great for a new guys career to jump start it for sure. A big Mania win over Triple H would help a Morrison or another future up and comer. Didn't he sort-of-recently sign a 10-Year-Contract? That's pretty guaran-damn-teed. And I didn't think Sheamus/HHH at 'Mania was that one sided. Thought his pasty-pale-self looked good out there. First thing of his I've enjoyed.
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Post by foreveryoung on Apr 3, 2010 21:31:40 GMT -5
You got Triple H out there destroying Sheamus the new monster in a quick one sided match almost at Mania. with both of his quads blown out and 10 years past his prime about.. You got Shawn and Taker headlining Mania.. Who past their best days quite a few years ago.. Lets face it.. They had their time to shine.. Its time for the future. its almost as bad as watching Flair and Hogan on TNA blading each other and having ME matches. Come on now!!! When is enough enough? They keep these guys around because they're what the crowd wants to see. Let's face it, they're not gonna have Drew McIntyre or Dolph Ziggler main-eventing Wrestlemania right out the gate. It took Edge 10 years to main event his first Mania. They need somebody to fill the gap and put asses in seats. Morrisson has been around for quite some time now.. Why not push him all the way to the top? Hes no newcomber... Theres a few others who have been around for a while. How long do they plan on "filling the gap?" How many WM's do Trips and Taker have to headline until someone other than Orton and Cena take the ball and run with it? If booked right, someone like a Morrison would be mega over.. Vince had no problem doing it before in the early-mid 90s with bret and Shawn? so why so hesitant now? Its not as though they have another wrestling company breathig down their throat? Thats the problem with wrestling today.. Writers and NO BOOKERS!! Wrestling is in dire need of bookers, not just writers
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:31:58 GMT -5
You got Triple H out there destroying Sheamus the new monster in a quick one sided match almost at Mania. with both of his quads blown out and 10 years past his prime about.. You got Shawn and Taker headlining Mania.. Who past their best days quite a few years ago.. Lets face it.. They had their time to shine.. Its time for the future. its almost as bad as watching Flair and Hogan on TNA blading each other and having ME matches. Come on now!!! When is enough enough? They keep these guys around because they're what the crowd wants to see. Let's face it, they're not gonna have Drew McIntyre or Dolph Ziggler main-eventing Wrestlemania right out the gate. It took Edge 10 years to main event his first Mania. They need somebody to fill the gap and put asses in seats. But I can't be patient enough to have to wait a decade for Dolph Ziggler to use The Name Dropper to become champion! I SIMPLY CAN'T!
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 3, 2010 21:32:52 GMT -5
The title should be the end reward for getting yourself over No, not really. The title should go to whoever will, in the long term, make WWE the most money by having held it. At times, that will overlap with who's getting the biggest reactions without being pushed, but it doesn't always work that way.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Apr 3, 2010 21:35:00 GMT -5
They keep these guys around because they're what the crowd wants to see. Let's face it, they're not gonna have Drew McIntyre or Dolph Ziggler main-eventing Wrestlemania right out the gate. It took Edge 10 years to main event his first Mania. They need somebody to fill the gap and put asses in seats. But I can't be patient enough to have to wait a decade for Dolph Ziggler to use The Name Dropper to become champion! I SIMPLY CAN'T! Thanks man/lady, I really appreciate it!
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Post by foreveryoung on Apr 3, 2010 21:35:33 GMT -5
You cant keep going back to Triple H, Undertaker, Cena or Orton etc.. When your quick push experiement doesnt last. I dont think Cena will be around for another 5-10 years to be honest as I see he may the take the Rock's route and head off for Hollywood. No guarantee Orton will be around. Though he is the most likely. Triple H and Taker are on their literally last legs. You have to eventually put your faith in the younger guys CONSISTENTLY for the future of the business.. Or else there wont be a future. And they need to go over the established guys sooner or later. A win over taker at mania would blast start some young guys career, if booked right.. Ok so he doesnt get 20-0.. Its a FREAKIN WORK!!! Not a shoot. That would be great for a new guys career to jump start it for sure. A big Mania win over Triple H would help a Morrison or another future up and comer. Didn't he sort-of-recently sign a 10-Year-Contract? That's pretty guaran-damn-teed. And I didn't think Sheamus/HHH at 'Mania was that one sided. Thought his pasty-pale-self looked good out there. First thing of his I've enjoyed. I think he did.. But who knows.. He may get injury plagued. Its not an easy business to go 10 straight years injury free.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:37:36 GMT -5
But I can't be patient enough to have to wait a decade for Dolph Ziggler to use The Name Dropper to become champion! I SIMPLY CAN'T! Thanks man/lady, I really appreciate it! I'm a dude & you're welcome.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Apr 3, 2010 21:38:10 GMT -5
They keep these guys around because they're what the crowd wants to see. Let's face it, they're not gonna have Drew McIntyre or Dolph Ziggler main-eventing Wrestlemania right out the gate. It took Edge 10 years to main event his first Mania. They need somebody to fill the gap and put asses in seats. Morrisson has been around for quite some time now.. Why not push him all the way to the top? Hes no newcomber... Theres a few others who have been around for a while. How long do they plan on "filling the gap?" How many WM's do Trips and Taker have to headline until someone other than Orton and Cena take the ball and run with it? If booked right, someone like a Morrison would be mega over.. Vince had no problem doing it before in the early-mid 90s with bret and Shawn? so why so hesitant now? Its not as though they have another wrestling company breathig down their throat? Thats the problem with wrestling today.. Writers and NO BOOKERS!! Wrestling is in dire need of bookers, not just writers At that time, all the 80's stars were no longer in the WWF, plus, the steroids incident, and other stuff, Vince has the need to push this two guys If all the people were sicks of seeing the same main eventers I will give you the reason, but unless the smarks and some minority, everybody is fine with the currents main eventers, if everybody were sick of all them, you know that vince will push new guys At least and in my opinion they do fine, not everybody became the guy in the WWE but they created some upper midcarders who filled the gap, like Umaga, JBL or for a brief moment Mark Henry, now they seem to have something with Punk, Sheamus, Mcyintire , Swagger, The Miz, and maybe Morrison, but if Cena is still a Draw. Why move him? By the time that the people start to be sick of him, all of those guys will be see as serious threats when they defeated My point is, is seems like the IWC wants to see new main eventers every 2 months, and every time that a new star loses he is getting buriedz Why is the point of elevate somebody if inmediately he had to job?
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 3, 2010 21:43:24 GMT -5
Agree with the OP really. Sheamus and Swagger are the two best recent examples. Two guys given a world title without being over. They are clearly trying to get them over by being champ, but that's not really how it's supposed to work is it? The title should be the end reward for getting yourself over and making yourself the top of your side of alignment (heel or face). Neither of them met this criteria when they won the belt. Sheamus flopped big time with his title reign. Swagger, in my opinion, will go the same way, but he may well prove me wrong. I agree with this, for the most part. It seems like the WWE is doing this ass-backwards process where they think the title belts are going to make someone explode in popularity a la the UFC or something. In wrestling, it's always been the other way 'round. The title belt (especially the BIG one, the World belt) was your end reward for being so over, and selling so many tickets and selling out so many arenas that you were a safe bet to be the "top guy" in the company and headline shows. Now, that's not to say that "winning" the belt didn't further legitimize guys in the eyes of the fans...it always usually did. But they had to earn the right to carry that belt. Nowadays, the WWE seems to have the idea that they need to put a belt on a young guy in order to signal to the fans that he's a big deal and should be payed attention to (either cheered or booed). It's almost like they think they're the UFC or an MMA show where fans react more to guys with title belts and dominant fight records than they do the guys without them. The sad thing is, the WWE is starting this process at a time when by and large the belts are so devalued as to add next to NOTHING to the guy wearing them. They change hands so damn often that getting one isn't the achievement that it used to be. Imagine Curt Hennig pulling a stunt like this back in Hogan's day, winning the World title out of the blue on SNME. It would have stunned the wrestling world! Because back then, a belt meant something, and getting elevated to the #1 spot wasn't the litmus test of whether or not the WWF would keep you on the f*****g roster....it was an honor bestowed upon you for being over enough to take that spot over from the current "hot hand".
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Post by wwefan78 on Apr 3, 2010 21:47:00 GMT -5
Besides Jeff Hardy I can't really think of anyone of recent memory who has been pushed due to being over and NOT pushed to get OVER. Mr Kennedy and CM Punk are borderline cases though..
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:49:48 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler for WWE Champ. Anyone wanna join the bandwagon?
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 3, 2010 21:56:58 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler for WWE Champ. Anyone wanna join the bandwagon? You know, after Sheamus' fluke win, and Swagger's (IMO) underwhelming MiTB win and cash in....this wouldn't even make me blink an eye anymore.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:58:55 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler for WWE Champ. Anyone wanna join the bandwagon? You know, after Sheamus' fluke win, and Swagger's (IMO) underwhelming MiTB win and cash in....this wouldn't even make me blink an eye anymore. What you got against Dolph?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 3, 2010 21:59:26 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that they've been hotshoting guys liike Sheamus and Swagger because they were F***ed over big time by guys they thought were their future.
Brock bailed, Lashley quit, and Kennedy F***ed himself. Those were 3 guys right now, that if they stayed, would have been solid dependable main eventers along with Cena and Orton. Triple H and Taker would have faded into the background IF those guys stayed, but they didn't. And now they're paying the price right now, and I'm half expecting every last guy they want to become a main eventer win the WWE/WHC to do it before they have the proper crowd reaction. Tyler Reks for WWE Champion anyone?
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 22:02:42 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that they've been hotshoting guys liike Sheamus and Swagger because they were F***ed over big time by guys they thought were their future. Brock bailed, Lashley quit, and Kennedy F***ed himself. Those were 3 guys right now, that if they stayed, would have been solid dependable main eventers along with Cena and Orton. Triple H and Taker would have faded into the background IF those guys stayed, but they didn't. And now they're paying the price right now, and I'm half expecting every last guy they want to become a main eventer win the WWE/WHC to do it before they have the proper crowd reaction. Dolph Ziggler for WWE Champion anyone? Dolph's got heat, but yes, Dolph for Champ.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 3, 2010 22:04:35 GMT -5
You know, after Sheamus' fluke win, and Swagger's (IMO) underwhelming MiTB win and cash in....this wouldn't even make me blink an eye anymore. What you got against Dolph? Nothing at all really. Which is exactly what we the fans have been lead to believe that Dolph Ziggler is worth in recent months. But if we're following the "Swagger Plan for Success" then by all means, Dolph Ziggler SHOULD be the next World Heavyweight champion. He's been jobbed nearly to the depths of Hell...forgotten about and ignored....yep. Seems like he's a lock to win a briefcase and become champ in short order.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 22:08:37 GMT -5
What you got against Dolph? Nothing at all really. Which is exactly what we the fans have been lead to believe that Dolph Ziggler is worth in recent months. But if we're following the "Swagger Plan for Success" then by all means, Dolph Ziggler SHOULD be the next World Heavyweight champion. He's been jobbed nearly to the depths of Hell...forgotten about and ignored....yep. Seems like he's a lock to win a briefcase and become champ in short order. The dude made Kane submit & made The Great Khali (semi)retire. Yep, he's definitely in JobberHell.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 3, 2010 22:11:31 GMT -5
Nothing at all really. Which is exactly what we the fans have been lead to believe that Dolph Ziggler is worth in recent months. But if we're following the "Swagger Plan for Success" then by all means, Dolph Ziggler SHOULD be the next World Heavyweight champion. He's been jobbed nearly to the depths of Hell...forgotten about and ignored....yep. Seems like he's a lock to win a briefcase and become champ in short order. The dude made Kane submit & made The Great Khali (semi)retire. Yep, he's definitely in JobberHell. Yeah....SINCE they've remembered he was on the roster. I'm talking about BEFORE these recent happenings. I thought that was clear in my previous post. Guess not.
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Post by Fade on Apr 3, 2010 22:14:45 GMT -5
Ziggler's a heel I wish they would have gotten behind. And originally it seemed to be the case, what-with his awesome match against Batista. But then it was kinda like.."Fudge him".
It seems like the ones they get behind usually aren't all that interesting.
Ya gotta love how Sheamus, Drew and Swagger are all big guys..even with a lot of the reduced roided-out-bodies, ya gotta imagine Zigglers size plays against him.
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