The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 4, 2010 9:46:47 GMT -5
Maybe because the "old guard" are reaching the end of their doggy years?
They HAVE to take chances with new stars right now. Even by throwing guys that aren't quite ready into the the spotlight they at least add some variety to the shows and open up new possibilities. And if they work then they have a brand new main eventer for life. The reward is a lot greater than the risk.
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Post by immortalphenom on Apr 4, 2010 9:59:15 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are both in their early '30s. So, if you're older than 29, you're officially too old to wrestle? I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 4, 2010 10:00:25 GMT -5
Another issue is that WWE currently has 14 people on the active roster who have held a world championship (that doesn't include Vince, Bret, Christian or any of the ECW champs).
They can't have too many more new world champions otherwise half of the roster would have been former title holders.
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Post by dh03grad on Apr 4, 2010 10:23:26 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are both in their early '30s. So, if you're older than 29, you're officially too old to wrestle? I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company. Cena has a bad neck, and Orton has 2 bad shoulders. Both has durability concerns.
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Post by immortalphenom on Apr 4, 2010 10:25:45 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are both in their early '30s. So, if you're older than 29, you're officially too old to wrestle? I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company. Cena has a bad neck, and Orton has 2 bad shoulders. Both has durability concerns. Injuries are part of the territory. If Taker hasn't fallen apart yet wrestling on bad knees, then these two don't have much to worry about.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 4, 2010 10:26:07 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler, anyone?
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Post by dh03grad on Apr 4, 2010 10:35:17 GMT -5
For a title that apparently means the square root of jack crap, Swagger winning the belt sure has provoked a lot of talk on here. If that level of interest is replicated with all wrestling fans, that can only be good for Swagger and the WWE no? People talk about Takers streak as some guaranteed way of kickstarting someone to the main-event. Why won't being the World Champion do similar? This is the WWE, the land where very few people get reactions and threads about dead crowds are a regular occurance. If they sit around waiting for people to 'catch fire' before pushing them, Vince would be six-feet under before anyone got a push. As a result of being 'hotshotted' the title, Sheamus is one of the most over heels they've got. It worked for him, I'm sure it'll work for Swagger. Everyone starts off not being over. There is balance there too, as there are other guys taking the slower path, like Miz, Morrison, Kofi and Christian. It's not an ordely queue though, and if people are good enough, they'll get to the top eventually (like Edge). As for smarks, well for a group of people who generally complain about the WWE for being too predictable, criticising this seems a bit odd. Truth is, smarks are just marks with different rationale. Sure they may favour things like workrate and charisma over who's good and who's bad in the storyline, but they still just want the guys they like to win and the guys they don't to lose. Maybe it'll be good. I recall Punk winning the title the first time and required a sham finish to retain against Batista after getting his ass kicked in the match. I remember the rational being "Punk just isnt on Batista's level" why the hell did Punk get the title then? Big Show, Benoit, Punk, Sheamus all had their title reigns mostly occurring in the midcard. If Swagger becomes a midcard champion like them, then it can only be bad news. If he is elevated and starts going over top guys in a 1999 HHH manner, then there can be potential.
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Post by dh03grad on Apr 4, 2010 10:36:00 GMT -5
Cena has a bad neck, and Orton has 2 bad shoulders. Both has durability concerns. Injuries are part of the territory. If Taker hasn't fallen apart yet wrestling on bad knees, then these two don't have much to worry about. Taker has been part time for at least 6 years
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Post by metylerca on Apr 4, 2010 10:55:01 GMT -5
They push new people, just people can get rather whiny it's not the new guys they have a hard-on for. This is really my problem with it more than anything. It's hypocritical looking of some to clamor for WWE to push new guys, but when they new guys they push aren't people they like, it suddenly 'doesn't count.' Another thing about the whole 'push the new guys' cries is that apparently it isn't okay for WWE to have programs and matches with already established stars facing off, as it should ALWAYS be about giving a young star 'the rub.' I never understood that line of thought.
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Post by Fantozzi on Apr 4, 2010 11:04:03 GMT -5
I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company. that's exactly why they should build the new wrestlers before giving them the title: so when they become champions they ARE familiar faces
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Post by spagett on Apr 4, 2010 11:10:40 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are both in their early '30s. So, if you're older than 29, you're officially too old to wrestle? I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company. The WWE will need more major stars than just those 2. I don't see how anyone could find a problem with people wanting to see some new stars get made. It has basically been the same 6 or 7 guys on top every week for 6 years and it is getting stale. Nobody is saying relegate Undertaker and Triple H to opening the show, just why not use them to help make more stars so that when the day comes when they have to leave the WWE is in good shape?
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 4, 2010 11:20:04 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are both in their early '30s. So, if you're older than 29, you're officially too old to wrestle? I'm just not exactly creaming myself over the idea of a WWE roster without any familiar faces, because it wouldn't feel like the same company. The WWE will need more major stars than just those 2. I don't see how anyone could find a problem with people wanting to see some new stars get made. It has basically been the same 6 or 7 guys on top every week for 6 years and it is getting stale. Nobody is saying relegate Undertaker and Triple H to opening the show, just why not use them to help make more stars so that when the day comes when they have to leave the WWE is in good shape? DOLPH ZIGGLER!!! SOMEONE PLEASE CARE ABOUT DOLPH ZIGGLER!!!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Apr 4, 2010 11:32:47 GMT -5
They push new people, just people can get rather whiny it's not the new guys they have a hard-on for. This is really my problem with it more than anything. It's hypocritical looking of some to clamor for WWE to push new guys, but when they new guys they push aren't people they like, it suddenly 'doesn't count.' Another thing about the whole 'push the new guys' cries is that apparently it isn't okay for WWE to have programs and matches with already established stars facing off, as it should ALWAYS be about giving a young star 'the rub.' I never understood that line of thought. Its not that it isn't OKAY, just that the main event scene has been the same guys facing off for so long that its beyond stale, thus people are desperate for someone new to be pushed. For me it isn't even about who they push, but how they push them. They give Sheamus the title and that is supposed to be enough. He needs ore of a character than an accent and red hair, and more credibility than throwing a guy through a table on a fluke and beating up Evan Bourne. They never go all the way with anyone.
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Post by greeby on Apr 4, 2010 11:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 4, 2010 11:43:08 GMT -5
We get it, dude. You want Ziggler to be World Champion. Hell, I wanted Ziggler to win MITB as well, but its not to be. Maybe somewhere down the line, you never know.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 4, 2010 11:47:57 GMT -5
As has been mentioned, eventually you've gotta put 'new guys' in a position to excel or your whole show will begin to stagnate. That said the argument does go too far the other way when people immediately wanna put 'old guys' out to pasture; and when you factor in the obsession that nigh every match has to give someone 'the rub' or else they're being 'buried'.
As Carless said, there is and should be a median between the two extremes.
Also, Dolph Ziggler is terribly uninteresting in my opinion.
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spagett
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Post by spagett on Apr 4, 2010 11:48:43 GMT -5
The WWE will need more major stars than just those 2. I don't see how anyone could find a problem with people wanting to see some new stars get made. It has basically been the same 6 or 7 guys on top every week for 6 years and it is getting stale. Nobody is saying relegate Undertaker and Triple H to opening the show, just why not use them to help make more stars so that when the day comes when they have to leave the WWE is in good shape? DOLPH ZIGGLER!!! SOMEONE PLEASE CARE ABOUT DOLPH ZIGGLER!!! Wait a minute. Are you a fan of Dolph Ziggler?
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Post by machomuta on Apr 4, 2010 11:49:48 GMT -5
Ill answer the OP's question: There was this wrestling orginization in Atlanta that failed to build any new stars. Partially because they failed to do that, they no longer exsist. WCW did make stars. Guys like Goldberg, DDP, Booker T, Jarrett and Steiner became main eventers in WCW.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 4, 2010 11:56:41 GMT -5
Oh yeah, here's another good one. Unless Orton and Cena bail out, the old guys retire, or people simply tune and the business crashes and burns out once they feel the monotony, that's really the only time starts will be created.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 4, 2010 12:09:49 GMT -5
As has been mentioned, eventually you've gotta put 'new guys' in a position to excel or your whole show will begin to stagnate. That said the argument does go too far the other way when people immediately wanna put 'old guys' out to pasture; and when you factor in the obsession that nigh every match has to give someone 'the rub' or else they're being 'buried'. As Carless said, there is and should be a median between the two extremes. Also, Dolph Ziggler is a god in my opinion. Agreed.
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