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Post by immortalphenom on Apr 3, 2010 20:54:00 GMT -5
Pretty much this. People bash on WWE for not pushing new guys, but the fact is not every newcomer is a potential Undertaker, HBK, Angle, Hunter, Y2J, etc. in the making. I'm all for bringing in fresh faces, but I don't understand the fixation on replacing the old guard, especially with guys who have zero charisma (McIntyre), are spot monkeys (Bourne), or are just godawful in the ring (Sheamus). If they catch on, then it should happen organically, like it did with the aforementioned people, and not be forced.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 20:56:00 GMT -5
Agreed. Meeting adjourned.
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Post by Agent P on Apr 3, 2010 20:56:17 GMT -5
Because it's getting to the point where no one has been truly elevated since 05 and there are very few, if any, matches they can make with the top guys that haven't been done already.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Apr 3, 2010 20:57:47 GMT -5
Uh oh. Careful, you called Evan Bourne a spot monkey, you'll be burned at the stake around these parts.
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Post by American Dragon on Apr 3, 2010 20:59:28 GMT -5
Pretty much this. People bash on WWE for not pushing new guys, but the fact is not every newcomer is a potential Undertaker, HBK, Angle, Hunter, Y2J, etc. in the making. I'm all for bringing in fresh faces, but I don't understand the fixation on replacing the old guard, especially with guys who have zero charisma (McIntyre), are spot monkeys (Bourne), or are just godawful in the ring (Sheamus). If they catch on, then it should happen organically, like it did with the aforementioned people, and not be forced. Just my two cents. I have to agree. Nowadays it seems like WWE is going to push who they want to push and not go by the response of the crowd, which they should. It's good to have new stars, but not when they're rushed and feel forced. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 3, 2010 21:02:58 GMT -5
Evan Bourne isn't a spot monkey. If he was, he wouldn't likely be in WWE. Everything he does is done with a purpose.
Sheamus, I'd have to agree to disagree certainly, as I've been watching him since the first episode of FCW he was on, and he's never put on a match that I would consider to be bad.
And Drew McIntyre does have charisma, and I feel sometimes charisma is thought to be what wacky things can a guy say and do. Drew has presence, and one reason he's given that slow walk to the ring, and that quiet entrance at the start of his song. And, sometimes being over the top and overly excitable can lead to people liking you, which isn't the best idea if you're a heel.
Creating new stars is important because the future of your business depends on it. TNA was going in the right direction til Hogan got there, now the ratings are tanking and they won't be important forever, some of the guys that were brought in. Same with when Triple H buried Rhodes and Dibiase that one time before the SummerSlam match (and why those poor guys are gonna have a tough road ahead of them with all the handicap matches they've had to deal with).
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 3, 2010 21:03:33 GMT -5
Sheamus and Swagger are both people I have no doubt they saw the dollar signs when signing, so them being pushed is no shock to me. I actually have thought Sheamus would one day be champion when they signed him to FCW. He just had that knack.
They push new people, just people can get rather whiny it's not the new guys they have a hard-on for.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:06:10 GMT -5
I know Ziggler & his totally awesome sleeper hold are never gonna win The WWE/WHC Championship but can't a teenager dream?
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Post by Dub H on Apr 3, 2010 21:07:26 GMT -5
They push new people, just people can get rather whiny it's not the new guys they have a hard-on for. As alot of people said before,its this. |
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Post by Above Average on Apr 3, 2010 21:07:31 GMT -5
Agree with the OP really.
Sheamus and Swagger are the two best recent examples. Two guys given a world title without being over. They are clearly trying to get them over by being champ, but that's not really how it's supposed to work is it? The title should be the end reward for getting yourself over and making yourself the top of your side of alignment (heel or face). Neither of them met this criteria when they won the belt. Sheamus flopped big time with his title reign. Swagger, in my opinion, will go the same way, but he may well prove me wrong.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 3, 2010 21:08:24 GMT -5
Agree with the OP really. Sheamus and Swagger are the two best recent examples. Two guys given a world title without being over. They are clearly trying to get them over by being champ, but that's not really how it's supposed to work is it? The title should be the end reward for getting yourself over and making yourself the top of your side of alignment (heel or face). Neither of them met this criteria when they won the belt. Sheamus flopped big time with his title reign. Swagger, in my opinion, will go the same way, but he may well prove me wrong. As much i mark for Swagger being champion,i agree,they had ONE ENTIRE YEAR to build Swagger MITB |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 3, 2010 21:09:22 GMT -5
Never say never. Who would have believed that Hunter Hearst-Helmsley, The Ringmaster, one half of the Hart Foundation, one half of the Rockers, Cactus Jack, and a few guys from WCW's Cruserweight division would be the World Champion in WWE.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 3, 2010 21:10:13 GMT -5
In alot of ways, I feel like they're making up for the last decade of not really pushing younger guys. There were some guys who seemed to be the future (Kennedy, Hassan, Shelton..) and one way or another, it just didn't work out.
Now with the Old-Guard getting too Old, I guess they're picking those with the most potential and just deciding to push 'em.
I understood Sheamus. Swagger..to me..is still kinda..iffy. I wouldn't have a damn problem with him if he had a manager.
Morrison seems like someone who's getting an organic build-up to main event-status.
Someone, who IMO had the best build-up was Edge. We saw him go from the bottom to the top in a little less than 10 years.
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Post by immortalphenom on Apr 3, 2010 21:14:29 GMT -5
Never say never. Who would have believed that Hunter Hearst-Helmsley, The Ringmaster, one half of the Hart Foundation, one half of the Rockers, Cactus Jack, and a few guys from WCW's Cruserweight division would be the World Champion in WWE. I'm not saying none of the newcomers have a future. Just that if people get over, it should be because they actually connect with the audience, not because the WWE forces them down our throats. It took most of the guys you mentioned a complete overhaul to get over, and it didn't happen overnight. |
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:15:41 GMT -5
Never say never. Who would have believed that Hunter Hearst-Helmsley, The Ringmaster, one half of the Hart Foundation, one half of the Rockers, Cactus Jack, and a few guys from WCW's Cruserweight division would be the World Champion in WWE. So the thought of Dolph Ziggler using his sleeper hold to become WWE Champion can still possibly be a reality? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 3, 2010 21:17:35 GMT -5
Never say never. Who would have believed that Hunter Hearst-Helmsley, The Ringmaster, one half of the Hart Foundation, one half of the Rockers, Cactus Jack, and a few guys from WCW's Cruserweight division would be the World Champion in WWE. So the thought of Dolph Ziggler using his sleeper hold to become WWE Champion can still possibly be a reality? I would say it's possible. Might just be a while before it happens. |
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Apr 3, 2010 21:17:49 GMT -5
I know Ziggler & his totally awesome sleeper hold are never gonna win The WWE/WHC Championship but can't a teenager dream? I dream about it too every time I beat Khali or Kane ._. |
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Post by foreveryoung on Apr 3, 2010 21:18:38 GMT -5
You cant keep going back to Triple H, Undertaker, Cena or Orton etc.. When your quick push experiement doesnt last. I dont think Cena will be around for another 5-10 years to be honest as I see he may the take the Rock's route and head off for Hollywood. No guarantee Orton will be around. Though he is the most likely. Triple H and Taker are on their literally last legs. You have to eventually put your faith in the younger guys CONSISTENTLY for the future of the business.. Or else there wont be a future. And they need to go over the established guys sooner or later.
A win over taker at mania would blast start some young guys career, if booked right.. Ok so he doesnt get 20-0.. Its a FREAKIN WORK!!! Not a shoot. That would be great for a new guys career to jump start it for sure. A big Mania win over Triple H would help a Morrison or another future up and comer.
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Post by Haterade Man 2! on Apr 3, 2010 21:20:34 GMT -5
You cant keep going back to Triple H, Undertaker, Cena or Orton etc.. When your quick push experiement doesnt last. I dont think Cena will be around for another 5-10 years to be honest as I see he may the take the Rock's route and head off for Hollywood. No guarantee Orton will be around. Though he is the most likely. Triple H and Taker are on their literally last legs. You have to eventually put your faith in the younger guys CONSISTENTLY for the future of the business.. Or else there wont be a future. Hey, have you heard of this guy named Dolph Ziggler? I heard he uses a sleeper hold as his finisher. |
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Post by foreveryoung on Apr 3, 2010 21:23:31 GMT -5
You cant keep going back to Triple H, Undertaker, Cena or Orton etc.. When your quick push experiement doesnt last. I dont think Cena will be around for another 5-10 years to be honest as I see he may the take the Rock's route and head off for Hollywood. No guarantee Orton will be around. Though he is the most likely. Triple H and Taker are on their literally last legs. You have to eventually put your faith in the younger guys CONSISTENTLY for the future of the business.. Or else there wont be a future. Hey, have you heard of this guy named Dolph Ziggler? I heard he uses a sleeper hold as his finisher. You got Triple H out there destroying Sheamus the new monster in a quick one sided match almost at Mania. with both of his quads blown out and 10 years past his prime about.. You got Shawn and Taker headlining Mania.. Who past their best days quite a few years ago.. Lets face it.. They had their time to shine.. Its time for the future. its almost as bad as watching Flair and Hogan on TNA blading each other and having ME matches. Come on now!!! When is enough enough? |
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