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Post by steamboat1 on Jun 12, 2010 22:20:31 GMT -5
Im gonna give WWE a chance...I really want to see if it is a work and give the NXTvasion a chance before I say Im done.
But to be 100% honest, there isnt much that keeps me watching these days.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 12, 2010 22:22:25 GMT -5
I think after Raw......it may be a while before I watch again, depending on what happens. They really need to come up with something worthwhile to make me want to stay with a storyline that wont be as good as it could be because if outside forces.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 12, 2010 22:22:43 GMT -5
No offense, but I'm just curious as to how some of you guys just stopped watching so long ago yet frequently post on a wrestling message board? I mean if I were to pack up and leave I don't think I'd find it entertaining to keep talking about the product, but that's just me. Again, not meaning to start anything, I'm just wondering how some of you guys claim to not watch this stuff anymore yet you're still on here. A) WWE isn't the only wrestling company. B) Photoshop threads. C) Discussing the industry is just fun sometimes. I really have no wrestling products that I'm at all invested in anymore, even if I'll occasionally go to a ROH show for fun, but sometimes it's fun to shoot the breeze about it, even if you're not 100% informed on what's going on. Now, if you're not informed, you shouldn't go marching around a forum making bold (read: trollish) declaration about a product you don't watch, but I don't see the harm in long time, old school, or lapsed fans getting to chip in their 2 cents about any given issue.
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Post by darthpipes on Jun 12, 2010 23:31:46 GMT -5
It isn't the last straw for me watching. That only comes when my periodic burn outs happen every 5-6 years, but this is for me in another sense. This is the last straw for me ever trying to understand what WWE wants to be. I mean, they claim to be PG and a company made to cater to the younger fans. So they eliminate chair shots to the head first off. I applauded that, because it should have been done years ago. But then they eliminate blood. I'm sorry, but what kid is going to be traumatized by a trickle of blood oozing down CM Punk's head? Even so, it fits in with PG so I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. There's where they lose me though. They claim to be PG, so the edgy promos have to be gone ... unless your name is Triple H, and you can come out spitting double entendre and making sexual references in your promos. They claim they want to separate themselves from Chris Benoit, so they eliminate choking, yet JBL and Chris Jericho are allowed to hang each other with cables before their match in 2008. Then Shawn Michaels and Triple H are allowed to use a move that is as associated with Benoit as the sharpshooter is to Bret. But god forbid, in the middle of a gang style violent attack, someone dare choke the ring announcer with his tie for 10 seconds. WWE contradicts themselves so much it's insane. They don't even know what they want to be, but others get to suffer for it. Make your damn minds up. Excellent post. I totally agree with you. The WWE has always had a different set of rules for their stars. Remember a few years ago when they instituted the dress code backstage? Everyone had to comply or they would be fined. They made an acception for The Undertaker and John Cena because they wanted them to stay in character. But if your serious about enforcing this kind of a rule and are willing to fine people who don't follow it, then you have to be consistent and make it apply to all. You're asking for trouble when you made exceptions. I knew Vince would screw up the new invasion angle and he did. Well done, Vince... I stopped watching Raw regularly a few years ago. I'm usually home on Monday and I keep Raw on but I usually have my back turned to it. I didn't even catch the NXT beatdown but the aftermath and I caught the clips online. Finally some good stuff but now it's all gone. So is my interest.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jun 12, 2010 23:38:15 GMT -5
I've been done for a couple years now. When I'm absolutely bored and/or feel like I need to punish myself, I tune in, but it never holds my attention. Sure, I still talk about wrestling on these boards, but it's either TNA (where my interest has also waned in recent weeks) or the good old days.
The NXT angle got me to tune into NXT this past week. That was a mistake, as nothing of note happened. Now the whole angle and its most promising star is flushed down the tubes. I'm done caring. I'm done wanting to care. I haven't supported this company with my money since One Night Stand 2006, so I may as well not support them even in the vague sense of watching their programming.
Granted, I'll still follow the news on this forum. That's always fun. But I really don't see why I'd want to tune in to see WWE's kid friendlier approach to The Muppet Show every Monday night.
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Post by Barrock on Jun 12, 2010 23:39:11 GMT -5
The only thing that could match this is firing Punk or firing Jericho.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 13, 2010 0:41:00 GMT -5
I will be honest, if the NXT invasion ends up being a dud, it'll definitely cause me to lose interest and I'll probably stop watching on a regular basis for a while. It's the only angle that I'm really excited to watch.
AmDrag getting "fired" (still hoping beyond hope for this being a work) does scare me as I do think he was a key ingredient in the whole angle, though it can easily work without him.
But, when the main angle your interested in goes belly up, it tends to knock you away from the product for a while.
I usually jump between WWE, ROH and CZW (as well as other indies). When I get tired of WWE I watch more indy stuff and still keep up with the storylines, then something always comes along that peaks my interest.
On the other hand, I was a HUGE TNA fan back in the early years. When they had Raven drop the belt at a house show right before going national and then pretty much dumped him to the background it totally soured me on TNA and I haven't watched since on a regular basis. Didn't make a conscience effort to not watch TNA, just can't get back interested in the company after that and I've tried.
So, in a contradiction of my earlier post, after giving it some thought; I can definitely see how if a company misuses someone, it can totally kill you off to their product.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jun 13, 2010 1:32:38 GMT -5
If this is a work, it sure as hell is an elaborate one with very little payoff for it. The only reason I'm holding out a little hope is there hasn't been anything heard from Danielson since his cryptic "winds of change tweet"
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Post by immortalphenom on Jun 13, 2010 1:36:27 GMT -5
For this to be the last straw, I'd have to have cared about Daniel Bryan in the first place. I stuck it out through Eddiesploitation and Piggie James, so I doubt there's anything they could do to get me to stop watching for good.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 13, 2010 2:00:29 GMT -5
No offense, but I'm just curious as to how some of you guys just stopped watching so long ago yet frequently post on a wrestling message board? I mean if I were to pack up and leave I don't think I'd find it entertaining to keep talking about the product, but that's just me. Again, not meaning to start anything, I'm just wondering how some of you guys claim to not watch this stuff anymore yet you're still on here. Though I no longer watch the product regularly, I still come here because... 1. Through the main common interest of wrestling, I have been able to discuss other common interests with other people, whether it be motor racing, football or other TV shows, among other things. 2. There are some just damn hilarious people on here that make me feel good. Whether it's one of Lancers's zingers or Kneelift going on one of her psychadelic trips, it's always a party here. 3. This is probably the best wrestling forum on the Internet, because of the sensible debates about wrestling that rarely descend into flame wars, thanks to our watchful mods. There are a lot of reasons, but simply put, there's more to this place than wrestling talk.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 13, 2010 2:25:38 GMT -5
I haven't watched a full show in I cant remember how long. However, I normally come to the forum to read about RAW, NXT & SD and Crappers opinions, becuase it's normally more entertaining than watching the show. If there's a match/promo/angle that most people here say is worth seeing, I'll Youtube it. I really dont think I could watch an entire 2 hour WWE show anymore.
I was really pumped for this weeks RAW and was going to watch it in its entirity, mostly because I wanted to see what Bryan was going to do (mostly because he was the most brutal out of the NXT) but now, I think I'll go back to what I have been doing.
I still love wresting, but I think I've become a bit of a snob and ONLY want the good stuff.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 13, 2010 2:42:32 GMT -5
I'll throw my two cents in, for what it's worth. And, if this is a work, then this really all goes out the window. I have been watching WWF, now the WWE for 22 years. I first got into it right around Wrestlemania 4, and have been watching pro wrestling ever since. I am not a WWE loyalist. I did watch more WCW during the Monday Night Wars, because I felt that for a large chunk of that, it was a better product. Plus many of the WWF magic was gone, from the wrestlers, to the presentation, and the announcing. However, with that being said, I did watch plenty of Monday Night Raw, and did become a fan again around 1999. Often times I would be turned off by the raunch and 16 year old humor, but the characters were compelling enough that I watched. Now, let's go to today. You have a WWE product that they say is PG, for the kids. Well, I was a kid in the late 80s to mid 90s, and I still was able to see a product that looked like people cared about what they were putting on. It still seemed like the WWF wanted you to watch. And then, when they began to take things for granted, when Vince McMahon's vision of every wrestler having a day job occurred, then a large group of them left. This reminds me of today, except there isn't another group of there that can challenge them effectively. There isn't another group that can make them take notice of their hubris. Am I a Bryan Danielson mark. No. Truthfully I had never even seen a full match of his until NXT. However, if this is not a work, I will be done with the WWE. Right now I only DVR it, but if the McMahons are so worried about the political career of Linda, or getting a new market for children, that they are not only willing to PG the product, but to neuter any type of creativity and imagination so they can essentially present a fast food version of pro wrestling, then I really am not going to miss anything. This is why I think if this is true, alot of people(maybe not a ton, but a decent amount) will finally begin to stay away from the WWE. It's like the Simpsons episode Kamp Krusty, when Bart spends all summer dealing with horrid conditions and crap just for the hope of seeing his hero. Finally he finds out Krusty is coming, only to see that it isn't him, but a fake. That's what set him off. Well for us, we sit through alot of crap hoping for the next hot angle. Last Monday we actually got our hope, and interesting angle that didn't seem sanitized and processed by the WWE machine. Now it seems like this hope will end up false, and that's why I think this is my last straw. Amazingly said, and I couldn't agree more. I've taken several breaks from WWE in the past when they've pissed me off, and I'm more pissed and let down by them now than I've ever been. I'm going to watch RAW one more time on Monday to see if this is by some miracle a work, and if it's not, I'm checking out for a while. I'll read the show results every week to see if anything good is going on, and if not, there's no need to start watching again. It's going to take something like John Morrison getting a main-event push to get me watching again after this.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jun 13, 2010 8:55:57 GMT -5
For me - it might be. We've had our intelligence insulted by mediocre programming for years. Big Dick Johnson, D-Generation X and other childish angles which crossed the supposed boundaries that Danielson did. Earlier this year, Triple H performed his finishing move on Hornswoggle, who by all accounts is supposed to be considered damn near a child. I just can't do it anymore - I like Punk, I like Edge, I like Jericho - but as I get older, I find less and less to enjoy about the WWE. I really enjoyed the NXT angle - but with Danielson gone, I think it might be time to follow suit. Join the club, man. Do what I do on Monday nights: watch older wrestling. Get some DVDs from other independent wrestling companies if you're into that. Watch stuff that makes you happy or entertains you. You don't need to watch WWE. It's okay. You deserve better stuff than the majority of what WWE has been producing. As for me, I noticed in 2008 that I was just watching out of habit, and decided to stop in mid 2009. I admit I was initially pumped for a new "Monday Night War" but we all see how that worked out. Now, I have about 0% interest in RAW, aside from looking at Nattie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 9:14:56 GMT -5
My attention's slipping these days and whenver I put on wrestling it eventually just ends up background while something else gets my attention I was really looking forward to the NXT Angle and even though there's seven left it still feels like this would be a good point for a break
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Post by casualobserver on Jun 13, 2010 9:21:35 GMT -5
I'll throw my two cents in, for what it's worth. And, if this is a work, then this really all goes out the window. I have been watching WWF, now the WWE for 22 years. I first got into it right around Wrestlemania 4, and have been watching pro wrestling ever since. I am not a WWE loyalist. I did watch more WCW during the Monday Night Wars, because I felt that for a large chunk of that, it was a better product. Plus many of the WWF magic was gone, from the wrestlers, to the presentation, and the announcing. However, with that being said, I did watch plenty of Monday Night Raw, and did become a fan again around 1999. Often times I would be turned off by the raunch and 16 year old humor, but the characters were compelling enough that I watched. Now, let's go to today. You have a WWE product that they say is PG, for the kids. Well, I was a kid in the late 80s to mid 90s, and I still was able to see a product that looked like people cared about what they were putting on. It still seemed like the WWF wanted you to watch. And then, when they began to take things for granted, when Vince McMahon's vision of every wrestler having a day job occurred, then a large group of them left. This reminds me of today, except there isn't another group of there that can challenge them effectively. There isn't another group that can make them take notice of their hubris. Am I a Bryan Danielson mark. No. Truthfully I had never even seen a full match of his until NXT. However, if this is not a work, I will be done with the WWE. Right now I only DVR it, but if the McMahons are so worried about the political career of Linda, or getting a new market for children, that they are not only willing to PG the product, but to neuter any type of creativity and imagination so they can essentially present a fast food version of pro wrestling, then I really am not going to miss anything. This is why I think if this is true, alot of people(maybe not a ton, but a decent amount) will finally begin to stay away from the WWE. It's like the Simpsons episode Kamp Krusty, when Bart spends all summer dealing with horrid conditions and crap just for the hope of seeing his hero. Finally he finds out Krusty is coming, only to see that it isn't him, but a fake. That's what set him off. Well for us, we sit through alot of crap hoping for the next hot angle. Last Monday we actually got our hope, and interesting angle that didn't seem sanitized and processed by the WWE machine. Now it seems like this hope will end up false, and that's why I think this is my last straw. Excellent post, and bonus points for a Simpsons comparison.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jun 13, 2010 14:24:16 GMT -5
I'm not going to stop watching, but honestly I'm deflated by all this. The WWE had an angle that got my interest like nothing has in a long time. After all this time of putting up with bad guest hosts, lame cartoon skits and just bad acting, they finally deliver something that not only sparked my interest but I found entertaining. Then it came to this. Now, make no mistake. I'm no Danielson superfan. I never watched any of his matches before NXT. It's not even about him at all. But in the wake of all this the WWE gets cut down by an "outside source". Of course we can speculate about what that source was and I have my suspicions as well. But after this latest news its made me think what entertains me won't appear on their shows anymore since they now are catering towards toy companies and political campaigns. This. I'm no Bryan fan either, in fact I took Michael Cole's side in his feud with Bryan. But the WWE starts the most interesting storyline in years and they potentially blow it in less than a week. I know that there are 7 other rookies but all the focus, fairly or unfairly, will be on the one who isn't there. I'll still be watching but the interest isn't going to be the same.
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Post by variable on Jun 13, 2010 14:31:12 GMT -5
I don't know how sure anyone can be that they're going to stop watching or that WWE failed them and this whole story without seeing raw this week. I'm very curious to see what they say, what story eventually comes out, etc.
I'm seriously bummed that danielson is gone but I'm hoping it isn't for good and I do want to find out what goes down.
also for everyone, still, comparing what happened to other violence on the show, the story we have currently is that someone, somewhere overreacted to this. it doesn't matter who or where, really, or what else the company has put on TV. someone didn't like this. that's all. don't need to rationalize it.
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