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Post by Massive G on Sept 14, 2010 23:10:49 GMT -5
Doesn't really matter to me if he's smiling or not, since he'll always still have the height of a ten year old and a head the size of a camels. the wrestler in your sig is 5'10" and his head is 47% of his body weight. And still, here I am unsure of how this affects either man's qualifications.
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Post by Hogasm on Sept 14, 2010 23:36:26 GMT -5
He might be intense in ROH but right now he's being seen by a wide audience as some smiley, sarcastic twat. Love how you roll your opinion into some sort of factoid. Your OP is sound, but c'mon dude this is reaching. Is your next thread going to praise just how awesome Cole's announcing has become?
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Sept 14, 2010 23:45:33 GMT -5
I love how serious you guys take everything when it comes to anyone talking bad about Daniel Bryan. It's like you're all his big brother or something.
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Post by abenja1 on Sept 15, 2010 0:35:31 GMT -5
I love how serious you guys take everything when it comes to anyone talking bad about Daniel Bryan. It's like you're all his big brother or something. No. It has to do with people complaining about something insignificant as a smile. HBK was a guy smiled quite a lot in the ring, Mark Henry always smiles, Evan Bourne always smiles. Yet for some reason, Bryan's smile is irking some people for reasons that I find it baffling. Personally what I like about him smiling, is that it's different. The problem with so many wrestlers is that many try to be SRS and look like goofs. Though I think he could do SRS good ex. YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME!
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Post by primetime110 on Sept 15, 2010 1:06:08 GMT -5
what's interesting to me is that so many people consider smiling a lack of seriousness. Depends on the wrestler. When HHH did it when Jeff Hardy pinned him, He got up and smiled knowing it was a fluke. 100 threads about that. punk did the excat samething when he was WHT and Morrison pinned him. He sat up and smiled. 0 threads. To be honest, I'm surprised this thread got started considering who its about.
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Post by primetime110 on Sept 15, 2010 1:07:30 GMT -5
I don't really get why we're supposed to be on Bryan's side here at all, honestly. The fact that he comes off like an asshole who doesn't take his work seriously is one thing, but there's also the fact that on NXT Miz was rightly taking issue with him being a total jobber who thought WWE should be flattered to have him there. Not to mention those times on NXT where Miz honestly seemed to be trying to get him to pick it up from a charisma standpoint. Those weren't often, of course, and more often than not Miz was degrading him, but just watching over the season I think it's a bit much to play it as Miz being a terrible pro. At least he tried to get a lesson through to him, unlike basically every other pro in all three seasons. Best post of this thread.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Sept 15, 2010 1:51:40 GMT -5
He might be intense in ROH but right now he's being seen by a wide audience as some smiley, sarcastic twat. Love how you roll your opinion into some sort of factoid. Your OP is sound, but c'mon dude this is reaching. Is your next thread going to praise just how awesome Cole's announcing has become? Again, I'm not saying everyone agrees with me I'm saying the majority of WWE viewers who don't watch ROH will see him by how hes acted in the WWE so far and they will see his overuse of smiling. I'm not saying they'll all hate it like me. They just wont see what his fans have seen. But yeah I could make a thread praising Cole if I wish. Opinion is what a forum is for after all.
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Post by Young Game on Sept 15, 2010 2:03:50 GMT -5
Doesn't really matter to me if he's smiling or not, since he'll always still have the height of a ten year old and a head the size of a camels.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 15, 2010 2:39:43 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the constant smiling either. But that's Face 101 in WWE.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Sept 15, 2010 10:50:31 GMT -5
To me it comes off as supreme confidence and kind of smirking at Miz's jackassery which in turn pisses the Miz off even more and keeps the fire in this feud lit. Since the Miz, Riley, and Cole are symbols of the thumb on Bryan's career storyline-wise, its also like he's smiling despite the stooges trying to mess with him constantly, and once again reinforcing that will and confidence that I see as his onscreen persona.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Sept 15, 2010 10:54:46 GMT -5
Doesn't really matter to me if he's smiling or not, since he'll always still have the height of a ten year old and a head the size of a camels. It's like Blandiel's mommy entered in the big head code on NBA Jam.
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Post by Legion on Sept 15, 2010 11:38:49 GMT -5
To me it comes off as supreme confidence and kind of smirking at Miz's jackassery which in turn pisses the Miz off even more and keeps the fire in this feud lit. Since the Miz, Riley, and Cole are symbols of the thumb on Bryan's career storyline-wise, its also like he's smiling despite the stooges trying to mess with him constantly, and once again reinforcing that will and confidence that I see as his onscreen persona. The problem is, is that in kayfabe terms, which is the way I try to watch a show (because when I try to watch it with grown up and smarky head on, I just hate everything and don't enjoy it, so what would be the point), he hasn't earned the right to act and look the way he does, and so he comes across, to me, as this arrogant, smarmy little loser who is distracting and taking away the emotion from the match because he's in their grinning like a loon even when locking on a move that he struggles to hold in. It doesnt work for me, and frankly, I believe, if anyone not him was doing it, people would be agreeing in droves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 11:42:31 GMT -5
Well, isn't the whole point of the Miz/Bryan feud that there's a few more levels to it than your average heel/face thing?
Sure, Miz is a jerk and Bryan is an everyman nice guy. But Miz has made good points in his favour, he pointed out to Bryan that his indie past meant nothing in the WWE, showed Bryan tough love as a NXT mentor (behind his berating there was the hint of wanting Bryan to succeed) and his post summerslam promo about how he wanted to cash in on Shemus but didn't as he knew Cena would call on him later in the night gave good motivation for his bitterness at Bryan for replacing him.
Miz is undoubtably the heel in this feud but I would not rule out a softening towards Miz (planting seeds for a face run) and as a longshot a double turn at the conclusion of the feud. Something as insignificant as Bryans smug grin could be part of a bit of forshadowing towards that.
In short I wouldn't be suprised if a writer/booker has asked Bryan to do it with a long term plan in mind.
Bryan and Miz are both shades of gray right now, one a face who can come across as cocky and the other as an early SRS Jericho, a heel who makes decent points.
I'm not complaining, it makes the feud and both characters more enjoyable to watch!
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 15, 2010 11:49:13 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, John Cena in his early face career (and even sometimes now) did the sarcastic smile thing too (though he didn't do it while performing moves).
I think you're analyzing this a bit too much though, Legion. You say you try not to watch with a smarky mindset, but this is a pretty smarky thing to pick out. Though I get where you're coming from, I get annoyed whenever Randy Orton does his little spasm, coil thing.
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Post by Legion on Sept 15, 2010 11:49:54 GMT -5
Well, isn't the whole point of the Miz/Bryan feud that there's a few more levels to it than your average heel/face thing? Sure, Miz is a jerk and Bryan is an everyman nice guy. But Miz has made good points in his favour, he pointed out to Bryan that his indie past meant nothing in the WWE, showed Bryan tough love as a NXT mentor (behind his berating there was the hint of wanting Bryan to succeed) and his post summerslam promo about how he wanted to cash in on Shemus but didn't as he knew Cena would call on him later in the night gave good motivation for his bitterness at Bryan for replacing him. Miz is undoubtably the heel in this feud but I would not rule out a softening towards Miz (planting seeds for a face run) and as a longshot a double turn at the conclusion of the feud. Something as insignificant as Bryans smug grin could be part of a bit of forshadowing towards that. In short I wouldn't be suprised if a writer/booker has asked Bryan to do it with a long term plan in mind. Bryan and Miz are both shades of gray right now, one a face who can come across as cocky and the other as an early SRS Jericho, a heel who makes decent points. I'm not complaining, it makes the feud and both characters more enjoyable to watch! But this is the problem. I don't think WWE wants this at all. It is clear that WWE wants to mold Miz into a super heel of the future. If the smirky smile is putting that in doubt, then it really solidifies the point of the this thread; that he needs to lose it.
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Post by Legion on Sept 15, 2010 11:51:21 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, John Cena in his early face career (and even sometimes now) did the sarcastic smile thing too (though he didn't do it while performing moves). I think you're analyzing this a bit too much though, Legion. You say you try not to watch with a smarky mindset, but this is a pretty smarky thing to pick out. Though I get where you're coming from, I get annoyed whenever Randy Orton does his little spasm, coil thing. Early Cena was a heel, face Cena had earned the right to do it. DBD is new, and meant to be a face. It irritates me, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 12:16:15 GMT -5
Well, isn't the whole point of the Miz/Bryan feud that there's a few more levels to it than your average heel/face thing? Sure, Miz is a jerk and Bryan is an everyman nice guy. But Miz has made good points in his favour, he pointed out to Bryan that his indie past meant nothing in the WWE, showed Bryan tough love as a NXT mentor (behind his berating there was the hint of wanting Bryan to succeed) and his post summerslam promo about how he wanted to cash in on Shemus but didn't as he knew Cena would call on him later in the night gave good motivation for his bitterness at Bryan for replacing him. Miz is undoubtably the heel in this feud but I would not rule out a softening towards Miz (planting seeds for a face run) and as a longshot a double turn at the conclusion of the feud. Something as insignificant as Bryans smug grin could be part of a bit of forshadowing towards that. In short I wouldn't be suprised if a writer/booker has asked Bryan to do it with a long term plan in mind. Bryan and Miz are both shades of gray right now, one a face who can come across as cocky and the other as an early SRS Jericho, a heel who makes decent points. I'm not complaining, it makes the feud and both characters more enjoyable to watch! But this is the problem. I don't think WWE wants this at all. It is clear that WWE wants to mold Miz into a super heel of the future. If the smirky smile is putting that in doubt, then it really solidifies the point of the this thread; that he needs to lose it. Actually I must disagree, I think Miz's recent push is due to the office seeing him as a Rock type character, a dude who is a jerk but can get the crowd hanging on his every word and flog a load of t-shirts along the way. Miz already is a super heel for the midcard but for the main event (where he will end up sooner or later) I think they prefer their heels to be super angry hosses or complete psychos. I guess there are exceptions, Edge and Angle are better as heels and closer to Miz in character but both had decent face reactions too. I don't expect Miz to go face anytime in the next 6 months, but I don't see him as being a main event heel long term. A main event face for sure! And as for the orginal topic although his character is smug by all accounts from his ROH days Bryan is a very easy and positive person in the locker room, not much of an ego, so if the WWE don't like the smiling all they have to do is have a gentle word with him and he'll stop. If it continues then either they don't care or are asking him to do it.
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Post by stormwrestling on Sept 15, 2010 12:34:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed.
It still looks like he's overwhelmed to be there or something. As long as every promo or whatever intends to be a joke, it'll be fine. Can't really take him seriously... at all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 15:07:02 GMT -5
Well, isn't the whole point of the Miz/Bryan feud that there's a few more levels to it than your average heel/face thing? Sure, Miz is a jerk and Bryan is an everyman nice guy. But Miz has made good points in his favour, he pointed out to Bryan that his indie past meant nothing in the WWE, showed Bryan tough love as a NXT mentor (behind his berating there was the hint of wanting Bryan to succeed) and his post summerslam promo about how he wanted to cash in on Shemus but didn't as he knew Cena would call on him later in the night gave good motivation for his bitterness at Bryan for replacing him. Miz is undoubtably the heel in this feud but I would not rule out a softening towards Miz (planting seeds for a face run) and as a longshot a double turn at the conclusion of the feud. Something as insignificant as Bryans smug grin could be part of a bit of forshadowing towards that. In short I wouldn't be suprised if a writer/booker has asked Bryan to do it with a long term plan in mind. Bryan and Miz are both shades of gray right now, one a face who can come across as cocky and the other as an early SRS Jericho, a heel who makes decent points. I'm not complaining, it makes the feud and both characters more enjoyable to watch! But this is the problem. I don't think WWE wants this at all. It is clear that WWE wants to mold Miz into a super heel of the future. If the smirky smile is putting that in doubt, then it really solidifies the point of the this thread; that he needs to lose it. Well, if he continues to smile all the time, then it's apparent that WWE doesn't have a problem with it. A smile isn't going to put Miz's place as a super heel in doubt. He still parades around the ring with the MiTB briefcase, he has Rilley to do his dirty work, he has Cole's constant cheerleading, and he comes off as annoying as ever. I wouldn't worry about his place right now. Obviously, he needs to drop a lower tier belt and this is the best way to do it.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Sept 15, 2010 15:09:04 GMT -5
In the recent situation we're talking about here it just looks like he's smiling because he's getting the better of two douchebags who deserve it. Personally I like that he smiles.
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