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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 6, 2010 17:25:51 GMT -5
Screw Bryan, why aren't we talking about how Darren Young should be in line for a big push? He's a solid wrestler, but he's somebody who I think needs a gimmick, outside of "that guy who was kicked out of Nexus". On NXT, he was supposed to be a party animal or something, but he never got to show it. Maybe they could explore that further. |
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Post by metylerca on Oct 6, 2010 17:30:32 GMT -5
Screw Bryan, why aren't we talking about how Darren Young should be in line for a big push? He lacks teh workratez  |
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Post by Starshine on Oct 6, 2010 17:34:13 GMT -5
This is what pisses me off about this whole Daniel Bryan thing. They have him go on about being a big deal, also getting other pros to put him over on NXT. Then he loses every single match there cleanly and has the lead play by play guy burying him relentlessly.
So really, what's the point in putting over how skilled the guy is if you're going to book him like that? People will think he's full of hot air and just not care.
It's frickin' retarded.
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Post by #1Cole_Miner on Oct 6, 2010 17:44:47 GMT -5
Sheamus vs. Bryan was my favorite match probably since Undertaker powerbombed Hassan through the stage.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Oct 6, 2010 17:50:15 GMT -5
I like Bryan, but it really was noticeable on Raw that when they announced his name, there was nothing.
The only real credible excuse is the horrible theme music, because he's gotten regular TV time and he's won twice in a row on PPV for the US Title.
This entire board was slating Drew McIntyre as being the worst wrestler to ever lace his boots when he was getting no reaction with the IC title. You've got to be consistent.
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Post by big nasty on Oct 6, 2010 17:52:27 GMT -5
It isn't Danielson's fault. They are making him look like a total unerdog while being US champ. Didn't htey learn their lesson with Rey Mysterio? waht lesson would that be? the guys one of the most popular performers on the roster... |
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Post by greeby on Oct 6, 2010 18:01:42 GMT -5
Maybe Dragon would have a better chance of getting over if he was wrestling someone against whom he could do more than 2% of what he's capable of. And on the Raw roster there are plenty of people he can do that with, he just hasn't faced any of them yet
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Post by AnActualBear on Oct 6, 2010 18:01:46 GMT -5
It isn't Danielson's fault. They are making him look like a total unerdog while being US champ. Didn't htey learn their lesson with Rey Mysterio? waht lesson would that be? the guys one of the most popular performers on the roster... When Mysterio was World Heavyweight Champion, ratings and buyrates nosedived and fans grew bored of him because he wasn't booked like a champion. He was losing cleanly way too often, sometimes for no reason and in truth only got the belt due to Eddies passing. He is popular now yes, but the fans slowly grew tired of him in 06. Just listen to the boo's he got at WM22. As for Bryan, I agree his theme needs changing. There's nothing distinctive about it, nothing to really pop the fans. At the very least put some kind of intro at the beginning that can become Bryan's trademark. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 6, 2010 18:02:37 GMT -5
One of the best wrestlers in the world today, but they're giving him zero mic time and no personality traits, and thus really not much of a reason for anyone who isn;t familiar with him already to care about him. He isn't even wrestling weekly on TV is he? I know hardly anyone is aside from Diva's and main eventers but it'd at least give people something to absorb about him. That video of him taking on Chavo in a dark match has some pretty big reactions purely from him and Chavo going at it in a match with no talk or glamor.
Someones doing something wrong and it isn't Bryan
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Post by #1Cole_Miner on Oct 6, 2010 18:03:17 GMT -5
I have never seen so many people dish out such a wide array for excuses for a guy simply not being good enough to make it in the WWE.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 6, 2010 18:10:17 GMT -5
I have never seen so many people dish out such a wide array for excuses for a guy simply not being good enough to make it in the WWE. No ones making excuses, people are just having a level headed discussion on the internet as to why a popular on the internet wrestler isn't getting the reactions they'd prefer, and feeling some impending dread that they'll eventually see one of the best American wrestlers in years doing the job to Khali on Supertsars. Perhaps if you weren't standing on the other side of some imaginary window and guffawing to your own jokes and breathing fiercly at the chance to show the internet what for and actually engaged with people on some basic human level in this thread you might have a grasp of this. |
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Post by #1Cole_Miner on Oct 6, 2010 18:11:34 GMT -5
I have never seen so many people dish out such a wide array for excuses for a guy simply not being good enough to make it in the WWE. No ones making excuses, people are just having a level headed discussion on the internet as to why a popular on the internet wrestler isn't getting the reactions they'd prefer, and feeling some impending dread that they'll eventually see one of the best American wrestlers in years doing the job to Khali on Supertsars. Perhaps if you weren't standing on the other side of some imaginary window and guffawing to your own jokes and breathing fiercly at the chance to show the internet what for and actually engaged with people on some basic human level in this thread you might have a grasp of this. I'm not the one getting worked up here, bucko. But as far as my own opinion goes, I think Daniel Bryan is like Benoit without the strength, intensity, or good theme music. He's basically Zach Gowen with 2 legs. |
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Post by crazydom on Oct 6, 2010 18:19:19 GMT -5
Black Cena deserves better than jobbing on Superstars.
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Post by hossfan on Oct 6, 2010 22:07:07 GMT -5
The WWE has done quite a bit to help Bryan succeed. He was the "Ace in the Hole" for Cena's team at Summerslam, and took out two Nexus members by himself. He got to beat the Miz, who was on an incredible run both in the ring and out, not once but twice, taking his title. Who cares about his losing streak on NXT, especially since he was being beaten by guys like Chris Jericho and the Great Khali? And having Cole run him down shouldn't hurt Bryan's credibility in the slightest. Cole sings the Miz's praises all the time, and it hasn't dimmed his heel heat one bit. People don't look to Michael Cole as a font of wrestling wisdom.
The fact is Bryan is a average looking little guy surrounded by opponents who look like they could snap his neck like a dried twig. He doesn't do a ton of crowd pleasing flippy moves that some of the other smaller guys do to get the crowd behind him. Is it really a surprise the average fan isn't seeing him as the next big thing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2010 23:20:24 GMT -5
I'm of the mind that if they're willing to stick with Bryan for a few more months and have him do stuff, he'll be fine with the crowd. I don't know whether they'll do that or not.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Oct 7, 2010 0:47:42 GMT -5
It's totally WWE's fault. They have booked him terribly since returning. And that terrible ring name needs to go. That's another reason.
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Post by H-Fist on Oct 7, 2010 3:23:02 GMT -5
Did you completely miss Night of Champions where the fans were cheering wildly for him? I'll have to go back and watch, but I'll ask this: Were they cheering for Bryan, or were they simply cheering against Miz? Or were they just cheering for a title change? There's a distinct difference between the three. Even if he did get a good reaction at NOC, it doesn't change the fact that he got absolutely NO reaction at all at HIAC. It could be simply a different crowd, but it could also be that now that fans saw him get his big win over Miz, they stopped caring. If the OP is correct, maybe the fans really have stopped caring. NOC was in Chicago. We know and cheer for the Dragon. The crowd I was a part of had a ton of Bryan supporters, ranging from people with signs to small groups all over the place trying to get chants going. But that's the thing - in a 12,000 seat arena where maybe 1,000 are really familiar with the guy, it's nearly impossible to have any actual unity of voice. Also at issue is, do his pay-per-view victories mean anything? We have seen the buyrates for the summer pay-per-views, and those are falling faster even than Raw's ratings. If SummerSlam only garners 380,000 buys, and Raw's weekly viewing audience is about 3.2 million, then we're talking some 12-15% of Raw's audience that might have seen - and had a chance to be impressed by - his matches. I think he's been booked pretty terribly, from his ring name to his gear to his music to the NXT losing streak to the Sheamus squash. The interaction with Miz, the NXT ep.1 match with Jericho, and the use of him as Cena's trump card were all well-executed such as can be. But a guy his size is done no favors in trunks and intentionally groomed as a dork. Let him shave his head like he had in 2006 and get him some tights with an abstract design, and lay him out there like Malenko or Benoit. I think it'll be a damn shame if he ends up as just another jobber, but I think that WWE is smart enough to give him time just as they did with Drew McIntyre over the last 12+ months. Talent is important, and a credible midcarder who can have a good match with anyone is important. He's already high on the list of broomstick workers in WWE (tops are Jericho, a healthy Christian, Regal, Chavo, Punk, and to be honest Cena). It took years and years for Eddy, Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Lance Storm, and others of their ilk to make their way past the bottom of the card. Look at Jericho's path around the world, through WCW, and then WWE. It's way too early. |
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Post by Totorob101 on Oct 7, 2010 4:09:36 GMT -5
I must be missing something here because i think he is doing alright and he gets decent enough pops,nothing that big but certainly not Rob Conway level of apathy.Give the guy time,he is a brilliant wrestler no doubt but he needs time to adapt to the WWE style.He is going to be alright im sure of that.Since returning he has been in the main event of a big PPV,beat Miz twice on PPV in very good matches and won the US Title in the process and has been up against guys like Edge,Jericho and Sheamus,not looking totally out of his depth.Have patience with the company and with Bryan.
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Post by randomranter on Oct 7, 2010 6:45:38 GMT -5
NOC was in Chicago. We know and cheer for the Dragon. The crowd I was a part of had a ton of Bryan supporters, ranging from people with signs to small groups all over the place trying to get chants going. But that's the thing - in a 12,000 seat arena where maybe 1,000 are really familiar with the guy, it's nearly impossible to have any actual unity of voice. This actually supports my belief that the guy is simply not over enough with the general WWE audience. The one PPV he's gotten a better-than-lukewarm reaction so far is Chicago, which is known for having a more smarky crowd and cheering for ROH guys like Punk and Bryan. Would he have got the same reaction if NOC were held somewhere else? Honestly, I don't think so. I agree completely. Blame whoever you want -- the WWE for the horrible booking, or the questionable ring entrance music, or his size compared to other wrestlers. The underlying reason at this point is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that right now, the guy is simply not that over, and I don't think it's going to change any time soon. The problem is that Vince doesn't give them "years". How many times have we seen them completely give up on a wrestler if they don't get themselves over in just a couple of weeks? Daniel Bryan hasn't gotten himself over. Whether that's his fault or creative's fault doesn't matter to Vince. Wrestlers have been depushed and released after getting less than Bryan has got to work with and not getting over quickly. Bryan has so far had a main event spot in Summer Slam, numerous decisive wins over one of the biggest heels on Raw right now, and a US title run. And he's still getting lukewarm-at-best reactions. Like I just said, wrestlers have had to work with far less than that, and have been cut if they don't get themselves over in the amount of time Bryan has had so far. Bryan is being given the opportunity, and in a way is being given a lot more to work with than some others. It's simply not working out. Hopefully, things change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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Post by Piccolo on Oct 7, 2010 6:49:10 GMT -5
I dunno, I hear cheering for him when I'm watching Raw. *shrugs* It's not huge, world-shaknig stuff, but it's not nothing, either. I think it's pretty reasonable for where he is right now, and it's something to build on.
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