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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 24, 2010 20:17:11 GMT -5
OK, I'll concede on that one.
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Post by brutuscheesecake on Sept 24, 2010 20:54:13 GMT -5
The Expendables is NOT higher profile than Rocky III. 28 years ago on that one... Higher profile then No Holds Barred Mr.Nanny Santa With Muscles 3 Ninjas That's a high profile list right there. Don't forget Spy Hard
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 24, 2010 20:56:21 GMT -5
28 years ago on that one... Higher profile then No Holds Barred Mr.Nanny Santa With Muscles 3 Ninjas That's a high profile list right there. Don't forget Spy Hard Muppets from Space, too.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Sept 24, 2010 21:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 24, 2010 23:42:28 GMT -5
I agree. I will say that Austin hasn't and will probably never reach quite the same level of fame that Hulk has. I disagree. I think Austin became the bigger star overall. Austin is not an overall bigger star than Hogan is. Hogan is hands down the biggest star in modern wrestling history and arguably the most recognizable overall wrestler in history. I lived through both the Hulkamania Era and the Attitude Era and I can attest 100 percent that as popular as Austin was that he did not have the star power that Hogan had. Yes, Hogan may have stared in some cheesy movies like "No Holds Barred" and "Mr. Nanny" but at least they were not WWE B movies. Plus, Hogan is the only wrestler to make the cover of SI and I am talking about when Sports Illustrated was actually even more popular than it is today. Not to mention the Hogan led WWE made it to having a series of shows "Saturday Night Main Event" on network television which the Austin led WWE never did. Fact is that Hogan transcended wrestling into the mainstream media without the overexposure of the media that Austin had. Remember in the 80s that cable, pay per views were more limited and the net was not around. Yet Hulkamania was on Saturday morning cartoon shows and lunchboxes. Anyone that thinks Austin was more popular is using revisionist history. Hogan was the one responsible to kick starting the Monday Night Wars anyway. Like Hogan or dislike Hogan he is the most popular wrestler at least for modern day wrestling.
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Post by romafan87 on Sept 25, 2010 0:00:57 GMT -5
He was never the crossover star that Hogan was and kind of still is. How not? Austin only ever did guest apperances on tv shows and they were more successful then the shows Hogan had when he was the star.(Thunder In Paradise) Same with movies. Austin's film roles have been alot more high profile then any of Hogans ever were plus Austin was in one of the most profitable movies this summer. Hogan can't say that. I wouldn't say that. Austin never had an episode of the A*Team based around him, hosted SNL, or did the talk show circuit, including Belzer, Hall, Regis, and others to the full extent Hogan did. Movie studios took a chance on Hogan in a leading role in a time when wrestlers were still seen as super cartoons. He had multiple leading roles. How many has Austin had? 1. It made less than No Holds Barred and Suburban Commando. Do you really think people saw the Expendables based on Austin's appearance alone? If so, why didn't the other movies he was in recently, and there were a few, blow up?
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Post by Cyberwoo on Sept 25, 2010 0:36:44 GMT -5
Maybe Austin hates Hogan because Hogan is a douchebag.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Sept 25, 2010 0:44:25 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Austin became the bigger star overall. Austin is not an overall bigger star than Hogan is. Hogan is hands down the biggest star in modern wrestling history and arguably the most recognizable overall wrestler in history. I lived through both the Hulkamania Era and the Attitude Era and I can attest 100 percent that as popular as Austin was that he did not have the star power that Hogan had. Yes, Hogan may have stared in some cheesy movies like "No Holds Barred" and "Mr. Nanny" but at least they were not WWE B movies. Plus, Hogan is the only wrestler to make the cover of SI and I am talking about when Sports Illustrated was actually even more popular than it is today. Not to mention the Hogan led WWE made it to having a series of shows "Saturday Night Main Event" on network television which the Austin led WWE never did. Fact is that Hogan transcended wrestling into the mainstream media without the overexposure of the media that Austin had. Remember in the 80s that cable, pay per views were more limited and the net was not around. Yet Hulkamania was on Saturday morning cartoon shows and lunchboxes. Anyone that thinks Austin was more popular is using revisionist history. Hogan was the one responsible to kick starting the Monday Night Wars anyway. Like Hogan or dislike Hogan he is the most popular wrestler at least for modern day wrestling. I lived through both eras as well & again I disagree.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Sept 25, 2010 1:17:08 GMT -5
Yes, Hogan may have stared in some cheesy movies like "No Holds Barred; and "Mr. Nanny" but at least they were not WWE B movies. Plus, Hogan is the only wrestler to make the cover of SI and I am talking about when Sports Illustrated was actually even more popular than it is today.. Danny Hodge was actually the first. He was still amature at the time but he did go pro.
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Post by kidtamagotchi on Sept 25, 2010 2:47:29 GMT -5
What would the normal TV viewer rather watch: a reality show starring the Hulkster or a reality show starring Steve Austin?
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Post by mauled on Sept 25, 2010 2:58:03 GMT -5
It was a different time period in the 80's to the late 90's besides Austin was more limited as much due to his broken neck that he never really recovered from.
Besides Hogan back in the day only worked with monster heels were he would hulk up at the end and win the day. Anytime he wrestled somone equally as popular like say Jake the Snake he ran a mile to protect his name. (On Jakes DVD he says the crowd gave the wrong reaction and started chanting DDT DDT instead of Hogan Hogan) the only time he didnt was against Warrior at wm6 and thats cause he was leaving at the time.
Austin worked against other top guys like Bret (which turned him heel) HBK/Taker/Jericho/Angle and of course the Rock (argubly the best rivalry ever in wrestling) while unlike Hogan he was willing to lose matches and put people over look at his SS match against Angle thats a classic in putting somone over with out even being pinned
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Post by Chip Jordan on Sept 25, 2010 4:45:22 GMT -5
Austin during his prime 1998-2002 made more money (for himself and WWE) than Hogan during any five years of his career, however Hogans career has lasted longer.
Hogan is associated with the cartoon era, Austin is remembered from when wrestling was cool.
I don't see the jealousy thing?
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Post by spmkillie on Sept 25, 2010 7:00:06 GMT -5
The Expendables is NOT higher profile than Rocky III. 28 years ago on that one... Higher profile then No Holds Barred Mr.Nanny Santa With Muscles 3 Ninjas That's a high profile list right there. Yeah rubbish films mate but difference is that Hogan was the lead in them. Steve Austins rolls have been bit parts usually. Correct me if i'm wrong but the only time Austin has been the lead role, WWE films was leading the project. Austin will never be the level of "household name" that Hogan was. If i talk to family and friends who are old enough to remember the 80s like i do, they all know who hulk hogan was (ffs his face was everywhere in the late 80's) but almost none of them would know the name steve austin. In the words of Jim Cornette, "Hogan you may be a household name, but so is garbage and that stinks when it gets old too"
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Post by perkleton on Sept 25, 2010 7:12:30 GMT -5
yeah i would go with because of what austin knows hogan to be like, not anything to do with jealousy.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 25, 2010 8:27:56 GMT -5
yeah i would go with because of what austin knows hogan to be like, not anything to do with jealousy.
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 25, 2010 8:33:09 GMT -5
Austin during his prime 1998-2002 made more money (for himself and WWE) than Hogan during any five years of his career, however Hogans career has lasted longer. Hogan is associated with the cartoon era, Austin is remembered from when wrestling was cool. I don't see the jealousy thing? The irony is that in retrospect many people feel the Attitude Era will not be looked as fondly on maybe ten years from now as the golden era of the WWE which was the 1980s. In other words, ten years from now Hogan will still be known as the wrestler who transformed wrestling into the modern era while Austin will become more of an afterthought to Hogan in wrestling history. In fact I would daresay that Austin's legacy may be one where the real question is was he more popular than the Rock in his own era. To be fair I think so but on the same token Hogan stands alone as the most popular wrestler ever. It is likely the Attitude Era will be looked at as a pivotal moment in wrestling history but the wrestling itself will not age well so the term "cool" is subjective in nature. The fact is that Hogan took wrestling mainstream to begin with whereas no matter who won the Monday Night Wars wrestling was still going to be national and national to stay anyway. As far as the "cartoon" era yes the WWE at that time was gimmicky but the overall popularity of WWE wrestling and wrestling in general was even greater than it was in the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era is probably the closest era to the popularity of the 1980s wrestling than any other era since the golden age of wrestling in the 1980s.
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 25, 2010 8:38:53 GMT -5
Austin is not an overall bigger star than Hogan is. Hogan is hands down the biggest star in modern wrestling history and arguably the most recognizable overall wrestler in history. I lived through both the Hulkamania Era and the Attitude Era and I can attest 100 percent that as popular as Austin was that he did not have the star power that Hogan had. Yes, Hogan may have stared in some cheesy movies like "No Holds Barred" and "Mr. Nanny" but at least they were not WWE B movies. Plus, Hogan is the only wrestler to make the cover of SI and I am talking about when Sports Illustrated was actually even more popular than it is today. Not to mention the Hogan led WWE made it to having a series of shows "Saturday Night Main Event" on network television which the Austin led WWE never did. Fact is that Hogan transcended wrestling into the mainstream media without the overexposure of the media that Austin had. Remember in the 80s that cable, pay per views were more limited and the net was not around. Yet Hulkamania was on Saturday morning cartoon shows and lunchboxes. Anyone that thinks Austin was more popular is using revisionist history. Hogan was the one responsible to kick starting the Monday Night Wars anyway. Like Hogan or dislike Hogan he is the most popular wrestler at least for modern day wrestling. I lived through both eras as well & again I disagree. I started watching wrestling around 1978ish so when Hulkamania was in its prime I was old enough to remember and realize at the time how astronomically a general household name Hogan had become even to non wrestling fans. The same could not be said about Austin. Quite frankly the only way most non wrestling fans in the attitude Era may have come to know who Austin was was by t-shirts. On the other hand Hogan was so popular that he branched into popularity with non wrestling fans and the general populace by his enormous popularity that transcended wrestling. And honestly as I stated in my previous post where it is really more Austin vs Rock playing second fiddle to Hogan in popularity.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 25, 2010 9:23:16 GMT -5
Austin isn't kind to people who were a dick to him when he was still an up and coming wrestler, just ask Jeff Jarrett. He went from feuding with the Horsemen to losing in a squash to Hacksaw Jim Duggan then being fired over the phone after Hogan arrived so he's bound to feel some resentment toward the guy who was pretty much running the show at the time, getting his friends hired and pushed ahead of him.
The moral of the story is be careful how you treat people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way back down. Austin can afford to hold that grudge, can afford to keep on hating Hogan as he has needed to work with Austin more than Austin needed to work with Hogan since the fall of WCW.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Sept 25, 2010 9:36:41 GMT -5
What would the normal TV viewer rather watch: a reality show starring the Hulkster or a reality show starring Steve Austin? Austin
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 25, 2010 10:40:05 GMT -5
Austin isn't kind to people who were a dick to him when he was still an up and coming wrestler, just ask Jeff Jarrett. He went from feuding with the Horsemen to losing in a squash to Hacksaw Jim Duggan then being fired over the phone after Hogan arrived so he's bound to feel some resentment toward the guy who was pretty much running the show at the time, getting his friends hired and pushed ahead of him. The moral of the story is be careful how you treat people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way back down. Austin can afford to hold that grudge, can afford to keep on hating Hogan as he has needed to work with Austin more than Austin needed to work with Hogan since the fall of WCW. Let's see Austin's WWE prime was roughly a decade ago where Hogan was in his WWE prime a tad bit more than two decades ago now. Hogan was arguably the most popular wrestler ever before Austin made it big and Hogan is still the most popular wrestler ever even after Austin made it big in the WWE. Hogan does not need Austin at all. Take Wrestlemania 18 for example- as popular as the Rock was look at how Hogan still drew much cheers. As great as Austin was he will never come close to being the star icon that transcended wrestling that Hogan was.
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