Serry
Tommy Wiseau
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Post by Serry on Sept 26, 2010 14:10:09 GMT -5
I don't know in the states, but in the rest of the world The Rock is 100 times more famous than Hogan ever will be, hell, The Rock is still The Rock in South America and Europe, nobody calls him Dwayne Johnson Obviously, I'm talking only on people who has never watched wrestling regularly My ex-gf when I for the first time told her about wrestling (err... we need to talk about something...) replied to me with 'Ouch.. Hogan, Austin'. She didn't knew nobody else. And she has never seen wrestling. Now she knows Taker and Big Daddy V (because of his boobs). Anyway, Hulk is more recognizable in Russia, just because of 'Rocky III'. And he's recognizable as 'guy from Rocky III', 99.99999999% of us have no any clue that he's wrestler. Same about The Rock, we've seen him in movies, but very few know about his wrestling roots.
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 26, 2010 14:13:39 GMT -5
Now, as a Wrestling Influence, Hogan was more Important than Austin, I think that there's no question about that, even though Austin give Wrestling a Second Boom Period, in a Time where Hogan was stale and maybe could have killed Wrestling if he had never leave the spot and the WWF nevever became a threat to WCW The nWo started the 2nd boom, and that was a Hogan influenced storyline. WCW was doing great in 1996-97 while the WWF was floundering. Then Austin broke out in 98 and the rest is history. Austin just ran with it, but the nWo started it, IMO. When people say Hogan was the centerpiece behind the two biggest periods in wrestling it is not hyberbole. As a Superman babyface he lead one boom, and as a coward heel he started the other (Austin and Rock just took it a lot further in the 2nd boom). Great points and analysis. I don't have any actual statistics but taking an educated guess I believe that many of the type of fans that Austin brought in were likely fans that never became wrestling fans over the long haul as opposed to fans Hogan brought in. Austin appealed to the young rebellious teenage type fans who loved the Stone Cold Austin character that flew in the face of authority and whose Stone Cold character was vulger in nature. The Stone Cold character was a major success but looking back in retrospect the character has not aged well even in a short time as the original Hulkamania run has which is over two decades old now. I have always stated that WWE did not beat WCW on pure wrestling alone but sort of cheated by going vulgar and bringing in a rebellious attitude type demographic that otherwise would have had nothing to do with wrestling. WCW's problem was that even though they sort of tried to go vulgar-lite at times that they could never get over the standard of being more of a family viewing oriented wrestling organization. I don't agree with Turner on his politics but I think he is to be commended for not turning WCW vulgar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 14:45:41 GMT -5
Well the only documented reason for Austin not wanting to wrestle Hogan that I know of is Austin just saying he doesn't think their styles would click and I think that's a part of it(and I also agree with that assessment).
Wouldn't be surprised if there's something more personal to it though, pure speculation but as far as backstage personalities go they seem like opposites. Hogan seems to be more business like where it became more about making money than it was about performance, while Steve Austin busted his hump whether he was the opening match or the main event, and never came off as a politician and I'm sure Austin has some resentment for Hogan's way of doing business.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 26, 2010 15:53:53 GMT -5
Wasn't one of the biggest reasons Austin hates him because Ric Flair saw Austin as his heir apparent and wanted to drop the title to him? Then Hogan enters the company, he gets the title from Flair, Austin gets unceremoniously dumped and the rest is history. I thought they had a nod to that history when Flair came out to stop Vince from rewarding Angle the title and handed it to Austin.
If I was him, I'd hate Hogan too.
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Post by machomark on Sept 27, 2010 1:53:15 GMT -5
Okay, I have read all of this and have lived through the eras, and I have a major dislike of Hogan because two of my favourites are Savage and Austin.
However NO ONE can deny Hogan is the biggest star in wrestling history.
HOWEVER"....
Austin is the best.
All around, simply put....
So there is no need for jealousy.....Hogan has ego issues....and while Austin himself wasnt always a saint, he still praised Hogan.
HOGAN NEVER gives Austin ANY PRAISE.
So there within lies the reason IMO
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Post by The Rager (Cole Miner) on Sept 27, 2010 3:38:09 GMT -5
I haven't read through much of this thread but I would be willing to argue that in 10-15 years time Stone Cold and The Rock will be much remembered like how Hogan is now. Hogan will be an afterthought yet still remembered as probably the greatest wrestler ever. I say this because the people who grew up in the Attitude Era will be adults and be telling their children storied about who they watched growing up and that will be Rock and Austin. I feel like Hogan will be the guy that your grandpa watched wrestle WAY back in the day.
I don't know, just my opinion.
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Post by Throwback on Sept 27, 2010 4:30:19 GMT -5
I agree. I will say that Austin hasn't and will probably never reach quite the same level of fame that Hulk has. I disagree. I think Austin became the bigger star overall. Hogan did it without the internet.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 27, 2010 14:53:40 GMT -5
This Hogan/Austin pissing contest is ridiculous.
Everyone and their mother knows that Hogan transcended the business in the 80s and without him, there likely wouldn't have been a WCW or WWF for Austin to be apart of. So it is an absolute given that Hogan will always be bigger than everyone because of that. Wasteful debate.
The wrestling business is about getting over so you can make a lot of money. Period. Hogan did that then Austin wanted to but people like Hogan tried preventing him from doing that, so they could make more money instead. Whether you like it or not, that is a very legit reason to hold a lifelong grudge. Austin certainly feels vindicated because he DID end up becoming a huge star when he wasn't being held back.
So if Austin didn't want to wrestle Hogan, who is surprised? It's not like Austin OWES him anything. And the fact that Hogan wanted to wrestle Austin but Austin didn't want (read: NEED) to wrestle Hogan kinda gives you a pretty good idea of how things turned out. Its a metaphor for their careers. Austin is healthy, comfortable and happy making movies and making money. And uh, well, Hogan is not.
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Post by CJ Denton is Egon on Sept 27, 2010 14:59:40 GMT -5
Hogan might be bigger then Austin in wrestling, but in the game of life, I think Hogan might be a few spaces behind.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 27, 2010 15:14:08 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Austin became the bigger star overall. Hogan did it without the internet. and Bruno did it without major TV.... and Thesz did it without ANY TV.... Hickenschmidt did it without with media coverage...
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ThatIndyMark
AC Slater
SHIMMER > WWE's and TNA's women's divisions combined
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Post by ThatIndyMark on Sept 27, 2010 20:52:54 GMT -5
the same reason why Jesse Ventura, Paul Orndoff, and Dr. David Shultz hate Hogan, pure jealously Do you think Austin hates him because Austin is (in my opinion) the 2nd biggest wrestler of all time and was never the biggest wrestler of all time- Hulk Hogan. Ventura don't hate Hogan because he's jealous, he hates Hogan because he (ventura) is now a whackjob conspiracy theorist, who keeps riding Alex Jones' manhood
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Post by britishbulldog on Sept 28, 2010 0:15:00 GMT -5
If you loo at their two careers I see it this way. Hogan will be remembered for a long time to come. You say Hogan and I say wrestling. No question. I would bet most people would say the same.
Austin was huge for what 3 years? He led a boom on one side of the war. However, I know people who know nothing about wrestling and they have no clue who Austin is, yet they all know Hogan.
I will not diminish Austins status as an all time great, I just think he, Rock, and anyone else is and will always be under Hogan.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 28, 2010 0:20:57 GMT -5
I know a lot of us of a certain age remember Hulk for wrestling but, I wonder how much of his fame these days isn't of his actual career but as "that wrestler with a train wreck for a life." I mean these days most of his mentions and exposure comes from his back issues, Hogan/Brooke Knows Best, TMZ and Nick Hogan's arrest. Honestly I think WWE/WCW might be 5 or 6 now and TNA even lower.
Just something that came to mind.
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Post by britishbulldog on Sept 28, 2010 0:37:42 GMT -5
I know a lot of us of a certain age remember Hulk for wrestling but, I wonder how much of his fame these days isn't of his actual career but as "that wrestler with a train wreck for a life." I mean these days most of his mentions and exposure comes from his back issues, Hogan/Brooke Knows Best, TMZ and Nick Hogan's arrest. Honestly I think WWE/WCW might be 5 or 6 now and TNA even lower. Just something that came to mind. I see your point. However I think Hogan is like Babe Ruth. If you look at his history after his career he was a mess. Yet we don't think about that now, Just his career as a baseball player.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 28, 2010 0:42:01 GMT -5
I know a lot of us of a certain age remember Hulk for wrestling but, I wonder how much of his fame these days isn't of his actual career but as "that wrestler with a train wreck for a life." I mean these days most of his mentions and exposure comes from his back issues, Hogan/Brooke Knows Best, TMZ and Nick Hogan's arrest. Honestly I think WWE/WCW might be 5 or 6 now and TNA even lower. Just something that came to mind. I see your point. However I think Hogan is like Babe Ruth. If you look at his history after his career he was a mess. Yet we don't think about that now, Just his career as a baseball player. True but, Babe has had the benefit of time and limited media availability. The future and time maybe vastly beneficial to Hulk but, I don't know about the present. I don't want anyone to get me wrong and think I want that outcome for him as I would much rather see ones of the heroes of my childhood remembered for the positive than other things.
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Post by Jock Ass on Sept 28, 2010 1:20:53 GMT -5
I see your point. However I think Hogan is like Babe Ruth. If you look at his history after his career he was a mess. Yet we don't think about that now, Just his career as a baseball player. So Steve Austin would be Joe DiMaggio?
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 28, 2010 16:33:10 GMT -5
Do you think Austin hates him because Austin is (in my opinion) the 2nd biggest wrestler of all time and was never the biggest wrestler of all time- Hulk Hogan. Ventura don't hate Hogan because he's jealous, he hates Hogan because he (ventura) is now a whackjob conspiracy theorist, who keeps riding Alex Jones' manhood Ventura hates Hogan because he snitched on him when Ventura was trying to setup a wrestler's union.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 28, 2010 17:23:44 GMT -5
I see your point. However I think Hogan is like Babe Ruth. If you look at his history after his career he was a mess. Yet we don't think about that now, Just his career as a baseball player. So Steve Austin would be Joe DiMaggio? YES!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 28, 2010 17:31:52 GMT -5
Hogan is an asshole, that is more than enough to hate a guy.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 28, 2010 18:23:21 GMT -5
Hogan did it without the internet. and Bruno did it without major TV.... and Thesz did it without ANY TV.... Hickenschmidt did it without with media coverage... Gorgeous George didn't have the benefit of TV at first. So he made people go out and buy them just to watch him. Stone COld would've just whined about how radio was holding him back.
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