Why does Austin hate Hogan so much?

[mcstoklasa]

Sept 25, 2010 4:45:22 GMT -5 Chip Jordan said:

Austin during his prime 1998-2002 made more money (for himself and WWE) than Hogan during any five years of his career, however Hogans career has lasted longer.

Inflation.


Plus the shirts during the Hogan era were only really available from live shows.

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Sept 25, 2010 0:44:25 GMT -5 Bake Or Die said:

Sept 24, 2010 23:42:28 GMT -5 tarheelfan said:

Austin is not an overall bigger star than Hogan is. Hogan is hands down the biggest star in modern wrestling history and arguably the most recognizable overall wrestler in history. I lived through both the Hulkamania Era and the Attitude Era and I can attest 100 percent that as popular as Austin was that he did not have the star power that Hogan had. Yes, Hogan may have stared in some cheesy movies like "No Holds Barred" and "Mr. Nanny" but at least they were not WWE B movies. Plus, Hogan is the only wrestler to make the cover of SI and I am talking about when Sports Illustrated was actually even more popular than it is today. Not to mention the Hogan led WWE made it to having a series of shows "Saturday Night Main Event" on network television which the Austin led WWE never did. Fact is that Hogan transcended wrestling into the mainstream media without the overexposure of the media that Austin had. Remember in the 80s that cable, pay per views were more limited and the net was not around. Yet Hulkamania was on Saturday morning cartoon shows and lunchboxes.

Anyone that thinks Austin was more popular is using revisionist history. Hogan was the one responsible to kick starting the Monday Night Wars anyway. Like Hogan or dislike Hogan he is the most popular wrestler at least for modern day wrestling.

I lived through both eras as well & again I disagree.

If you lived through both eras then I don't see how you could disagree with what you quoted. It was fact.

I lived through both eras. Started watching at the start of Hulkamania (around 85-ish), and remained watching into Austin's time. There is no way in hell Austin was the biggest star. The Rock is/was a bigger star than Austin, and even Rock/Dwayne will be more known for his acting than his wrestling while Hogan will always be the face of wrestling.

Austin was a fad. The boy band of professional wrestling. He was on top for two years. TWO years. In 1998 and 1999. That's it. He missed nearly all of 2000 where The Rock overtook him and by the time Austin came back in 2001, he was not only behind Rock but not drawing what he used to either. He was a pop culture fad at a time when Jerry Springer and South Park was running wild, and once those ran the course, so did Austin.

Hogan turned nothing into something. While Austin gets credit for 12 PPV's a year in 1998, how many did Hogan have in 1986? Austin had the internet explosion, a rising dollar, and an established domestic and international market to work in. Hogan did not, yet he was still doing movies, getting national TV pub (talks shows, etc), was the centerpiece of SNME which was a massive ratings winner on network TV, had a cartoon based on his character, was the star of the highest rated wrestling TV show ever (The Main Event I), had merchandise of just about every humanly made object with his likeness on it, made the cover of SI, the A-team, etc, etc, etc. Everything Vince Jr. did was throwing darts at a dart board, and he was using Hogan as the guinea pig. Once you factor market conditions and inflation, even the "Austin made more money" crap goes out the window.

You want to talk about Austin's role in Expendables, as mentioned already, Hogan's role in Rocky III was a much bigger deal as the movie was part of an insanely successful franchise (Rocky movies). And also as mentioned, Austin hasn't "starred" in a film more successful than Suburban Commando yet, so I don't see how you can even mock Hulk's acting career comparative to Austin.

I think Austin gets viewed as a bigger star by people who dislike Hogan. He is the only guy, other than Rock, who fans can look at as the guy who came close to Hogan's stardom. But ultimately, he never overtook it. Hogan's been a star for 30 years, and even now at age 58 his debut segment on TNA (which can't draw fans to save their life) drew over 2 million viewers. It is not even close folks.

As far as why Austin didn't want to work with Hogan, who knows. Hogan jobbed clean to Rock, so I don't see why he wouldn't for Austin if that was in the plans. Ultimately, I think Austin holds a grudge more than Hogan.

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I don't even really think it's a political thing. Sure, there are probably some bad feelings Steve has towards Hulk from the WCW years, but I don't think that's a main reason for not doing the match. I believe Austin feels he has nothing to prove against an obviously older guy in Hogan, and Hulk should feel the same way about wrestling Austin.

Sometimes, a "dream match" should just remain that: a dream.

[mcstoklasa]

Sept 25, 2010 11:09:11 GMT -5 @conebone69 said:

Sept 25, 2010 0:44:25 GMT -5 Bake Or Die said:

I lived through both eras as well & again I disagree.

If you lived through both eras then I don't see how you could disagree with what you quoted. It was fact.

I lived through both eras. Started watching at the start of Hulkamania (around 85-ish), and remained watching into Austin's time. There is no way in hell Austin was the biggest star. The Rock is/was a bigger star than Austin, and even Rock/Dwayne will be more known for his acting than his wrestling while Hogan will always be the face of wrestling.

Austin was a fad. The boy band of professional wrestling. He was on top for two years. TWO years. In 1998 and 1999. That's it. He missed nearly all of 2000 where The Rock overtook him and by the time Austin came back in 2001, he was not only behind Rock but not drawing what he used to either. He was a pop culture fad at a time when Jerry Springer and South Park was running wild, and once those ran the course, so did Austin.

Hogan turned nothing into something. While Austin gets credit for 12 PPV's a year in 1998, how many did Hogan have in 1986? Austin had the internet explosion, a rising dollar, and an established domestic and international market to work in. Hogan did not, yet he was still doing movies, getting national TV pub (talks shows, etc), was the centerpiece of SNME which was a massive ratings winner on network TV, had a cartoon based on his character, was the star of the highest rated wrestling TV show ever (The Main Event I), had merchandise of just about every humanly made object with his likeness on it, made the cover of SI, the A-team, etc, etc, etc. Everything Vince Jr. did was throwing darts at a dart board, and he was using Hogan as the guinea pig. Once you factor market conditions and inflation, even the "Austin made more money" crap goes out the window.

You want to talk about Austin's role in Expendables, as mentioned already, Hogan's role in Rocky III was a much bigger deal as the movie was part of an insanely successful franchise (Rocky movies). And also as mentioned, Austin hasn't "starred" in a film more successful than Suburban Commando yet, so I don't see how you can even mock Hulk's acting career comparative to Austin.

I think Austin gets viewed as a bigger star by people who dislike Hogan. He is the only guy, other than Rock, who fans can look at as the guy who came close to Hogan's stardom. But ultimately, he never overtook it. Hogan's been a star for 30 years, and even now at age 58 his debut segment on TNA (which can't draw fans to save their life) drew over 2 million viewers. It is not even close folks.

As far as why Austin didn't want to work with Hogan, who knows. Hogan jobbed clean to Rock, so I don't see why he wouldn't for Austin if that was in the plans. Ultimately, I think Austin holds a grudge more than Hogan.

Even though I think Hogan is the bigger star you are being harsh on Austin here.

Firstly you count only 98 and 99 as Austin's years. Well for a start 97 was HUGE year for Austin. He was rapidly becoming the biggest name in the company and there was a sea of his shirts in every arena.

Also his late 2000 return and his run in 2001 he was a huge star again. He may have been heel in 2001, which contributes to his merchandise sales being down, but he was still the top seller that year. 2001 belonged to Austin.

So in my opinion Austin had 4 years- 97, 98, 99...2000 was Rock's, and 2001 was Austins again.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Sept 25, 2010 10:40:05 GMT -5 tarheelfan said:

Let's see Austin's WWE prime was roughly a decade ago where Hogan was in his WWE prime a tad bit more than two decades ago now. Hogan was arguably the most popular wrestler ever before Austin made it big and Hogan is still the most popular wrestler ever even after Austin made it big in the WWE. Hogan does not need Austin at all. Take Wrestlemania 18 for example- as popular as the Rock was look at how Hogan still drew much cheers. As great as Austin was he will never come close to being the star icon that transcended wrestling that Hogan was.

What?

I never once said Austin is a bigger draw than Hogan, other people may have, but I certainly did not. Their times on top in the WWE can't be compared fairly so I'm not even going to try. I'm saying that Hogan needs a match with Austin more than Austin needs a match with Hogan. Austin isn't the one who keeps talking about wanting a match with Hogan or talking trash about them in the hopes of getting a Wrestlemania payday and Austin isn't the one who's been left financially crippled by a messy divorce.

Austin v Hogan would benefit Hogan more than Austin at this point, that's it.

[mcstoklasa]

Sept 25, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Sept 25, 2010 10:40:05 GMT -5 tarheelfan said:

Austin v Hogan would benefit Hogan more than Austin at this point, that's it.

True. Although whilst it would be benefical financially it would probably physically cripple both men.

[The poster with no name]

Bottom line with Hogans back, and Austins neck. This will forever remain a dream match.

[Magnus the Magnificent]

Austin is just upset he never had a Saturday morning cartoon with his name.

[foreveryoung]

Hogan is one guy Austin can say he was never a bigger than. Jealousy is a funny thing. Austin has been pushed as the biggest star in WWE history. We have been forcefed this by the likes of Jim Ross and Vince Mcmahon etc, but anyone who has followed wrestling over the last 20 years will tell you there is NO ONE who comes close to Hulk Hogan as a household name. Even if you ask people from all over the world who has never even watched wrestling, they will tell you who Hulk Hogan is. Ask them who Steve Austin or the Rock or Ric Flair are, they wouldnt have a clue.

Hogan transcended wrestling. He was bigger then wrestling quite frankly. The biggest star in history, and probably will always be. He was the Michael Jordan of wrestling, the Wayne Gretzky etc. There will never be another. And im not even that big of a Hogan fan, But there will never be another guy captivates the world like that guy did in sports entertainment history.


In terms or arguing merchandise sales? That doesn't mean squat. You could only really get Hogan's merchandise out of the WWF/E catalog at the time. When Austin and Rock and DX etc were hot you could get their merchandise in just about any department store in the country. So of course Austin shirts were going to sell better. In Hogan's day, wrestling merchandise was just beginning its stages and only out of the WWF catalog could you get those shirts. Its came a long way since then. Uneven grounds and not a fair comparison to be honest when comparing merchandise sales of Austin 316 shirts, DX shirts, Cena shirts or Hulk Rules shirts. Comparing merchandise of the 1980s as opposed to the 1990s or 00's is pointless

[tarheelfan]

If Austin and Hogan were hypothetically both in their primes and the booking was true to wrestling history then frankly I just don't see Austin having much of a realistic chance against Hogan in his prime.

And I want to say that I am not trying to pick on Austin in this thread because I really liked him as Stunning Steve Austin in WCW and thought he was a magnificent technical/brawling combination. But if those two could somehow have a dream match between the two in their primes then frankly I just would not think Austin would have much of a chance against Hogan in kayfabe terms.

[tarheelfan]

Sept 25, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Sept 25, 2010 10:40:05 GMT -5 tarheelfan said:

Let's see Austin's WWE prime was roughly a decade ago where Hogan was in his WWE prime a tad bit more than two decades ago now. Hogan was arguably the most popular wrestler ever before Austin made it big and Hogan is still the most popular wrestler ever even after Austin made it big in the WWE. Hogan does not need Austin at all. Take Wrestlemania 18 for example- as popular as the Rock was look at how Hogan still drew much cheers. As great as Austin was he will never come close to being the star icon that transcended wrestling that Hogan was.

What?

I never once said Austin is a bigger draw than Hogan, other people may have, but I certainly did not. Their times on top in the WWE can't be compared fairly so I'm not even going to try. I'm saying that Hogan needs a match with Austin more than Austin needs a match with Hogan. Austin isn't the one who keeps talking about wanting a match with Hogan or talking trash about them in the hopes of getting a Wrestlemania payday and Austin isn't the one who's been left financially crippled by a messy divorce.

Austin v Hogan would benefit Hogan more than Austin at this point, that's it.

I apologize. I must have misunderstood what you were saying. But I do agree that financially right now it would probably be more of a benefit to Hogan.

[Bake Or Die]

Sept 25, 2010 11:09:11 GMT -5 @conebone69 said:

Sept 25, 2010 0:44:25 GMT -5 Bake Or Die said:

I lived through both eras as well & again I disagree.

If you lived through both eras then I don't see how you could disagree with what you quoted. It was fact.

I lived through both eras. Started watching at the start of Hulkamania (around 85-ish), and remained watching into Austin's time. There is no way in hell Austin was the biggest star. The Rock is/was a bigger star than Austin, and even Rock/Dwayne will be more known for his acting than his wrestling while Hogan will always be the face of wrestling.

Austin was a fad. The boy band of professional wrestling. He was on top for two years. TWO years. In 1998 and 1999. That's it. He missed nearly all of 2000 where The Rock overtook him and by the time Austin came back in 2001, he was not only behind Rock but not drawing what he used to either. He was a pop culture fad at a time when Jerry Springer and South Park was running wild, and once those ran the course, so did Austin.

Hogan turned nothing into something. While Austin gets credit for 12 PPV's a year in 1998, how many did Hogan have in 1986? Austin had the internet explosion, a rising dollar, and an established domestic and international market to work in. Hogan did not, yet he was still doing movies, getting national TV pub (talks shows, etc), was the centerpiece of SNME which was a massive ratings winner on network TV, had a cartoon based on his character, was the star of the highest rated wrestling TV show ever (The Main Event I), had merchandise of just about every humanly made object with his likeness on it, made the cover of SI, the A-team, etc, etc, etc. Everything Vince Jr. did was throwing darts at a dart board, and he was using Hogan as the guinea pig. Once you factor market conditions and inflation, even the "Austin made more money" crap goes out the window.

You want to talk about Austin's role in Expendables, as mentioned already, Hogan's role in Rocky III was a much bigger deal as the movie was part of an insanely successful franchise (Rocky movies). And also as mentioned, Austin hasn't "starred" in a film more successful than Suburban Commando yet, so I don't see how you can even mock Hulk's acting career comparative to Austin.

I think Austin gets viewed as a bigger star by people who dislike Hogan. He is the only guy, other than Rock, who fans can look at as the guy who came close to Hogan's stardom. But ultimately, he never overtook it. Hogan's been a star for 30 years, and even now at age 58 his debut segment on TNA (which can't draw fans to save their life) drew over 2 million viewers. It is not even close folks.

As far as why Austin didn't want to work with Hogan, who knows. Hogan jobbed clean to Rock, so I don't see why he wouldn't for Austin if that was in the plans. Ultimately, I think Austin holds a grudge more than Hogan.

I'm sorry but if you think Austin was a fad then you're insane.

[willywonka666]

I'd say Hogan is hands down more recognizable. The Attitude era was huge, but Rock'N'Wrestling was bigger. I don't have facts and figures, but they had bigger mainstream appeal, so taking that into consideration and nothing else(because movie reviews don't really matter at the end of the day) I would say Hogan was the bigger man.

I assume Austin was pissed that he felt Hogan held him down. He may never get over it.

[N E O G E O B O Y S]

Sept 25, 2010 14:26:52 GMT -5 foreveryoung said:

Hogan is one guy Austin can say he was never a bigger than. Jealousy is a funny thing. Austin has been pushed as the biggest star in WWE history. We have been forcefed this by the likes of Jim Ross and Vince Mcmahon etc, but anyone who has followed wrestling over the last 20 years will tell you there is NO ONE who comes close to Hulk Hogan as a household name. Even if you ask people from all over the world who has never even watched wrestling, they will tell you who Hulk Hogan is. Ask them who Steve Austin or the Rock or Ric Flair are, they wouldnt have a clue.

H

I don't know in the states, but in the rest of the world The Rock is 100 times more famous than Hogan ever will be, hell, The Rock is still The Rock in South America and Europe, nobody calls him Dwayne Johnson

Obviously, I'm talking only on people who has never watched wrestling regularly

Now, as a Wrestling Influence, Hogan was more Important than Austin, I think that there's no question about that, even though Austin give Wrestling a Second Boom Period, in a Time where Hogan was stale and maybe could have killed Wrestling if he had never leave the spot and the WWF nevever became a threat to WCW

[foreveryoung]

Sept 25, 2010 18:35:28 GMT -5 N E O G E O B O Y S said:

Sept 25, 2010 14:26:52 GMT -5 foreveryoung said:

Hogan is one guy Austin can say he was never a bigger than. Jealousy is a funny thing. Austin has been pushed as the biggest star in WWE history. We have been forcefed this by the likes of Jim Ross and Vince Mcmahon etc, but anyone who has followed wrestling over the last 20 years will tell you there is NO ONE who comes close to Hulk Hogan as a household name. Even if you ask people from all over the world who has never even watched wrestling, they will tell you who Hulk Hogan is. Ask them who Steve Austin or the Rock or Ric Flair are, they wouldnt have a clue.

H

I don't know in the states, but in the rest of the world The Rock is 100 times more famous than Hogan ever will be, hell, The Rock is still The Rock in South America and Europe, nobody calls him Dwayne Johnson

Obviously, I'm talking only on people who has never watched wrestling regularly

Now, as a Wrestling Influence, Hogan was more Important than Austin, I think that there's no question about that, even though Austin give Wrestling a Second Boom Period, in a Time where Hogan was stale and maybe could have killed Wrestling if he had never leave the spot and the WWF nevever became a threat to WCW

Hogan shook the wrestling world up when he turned in heel in 1996. 2 years before Austin peaked. So I dunno if Austin single handidly created a new boom period persay. The NWO angle was already bringing in new casual viewers to the wrestling world along with the battle between the two companies

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Is it just me or had this thread gotten ever so slightly off topic?

Who was the bigger star is a different question that why Austin doesn't like Hogan.

[Nr1Humanoid]

He doesn't like Hogan becaue he asked Hogan to buy him a gallon of milk one time and he came back with only a quart of milk.

[paulbearer]

Pretty sure average people around the world have heard more about Hogan than SA or Rock.......

This is kinda like Jackie Chan fans dissing Bruce Lee or MJ fans dissing Elvis cuz they cant stand the other.....sour grapes.

[Pseudonym]

You mentiond Hogan looked upset when Austin owned him at the HOF. Not one second of that Hall Of Fame did Hogan look happy. He looked really down and pissed the whole time.

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Sept 25, 2010 18:35:28 GMT -5 N E O G E O B O Y S said:

Now, as a Wrestling Influence, Hogan was more Important than Austin, I think that there's no question about that, even though Austin give Wrestling a Second Boom Period, in a Time where Hogan was stale and maybe could have killed Wrestling if he had never leave the spot and the WWF nevever became a threat to WCW

The nWo started the 2nd boom, and that was a Hogan influenced storyline. WCW was doing great in 1996-97 while the WWF was floundering. Then Austin broke out in 98 and the rest is history. Austin just ran with it, but the nWo started it, IMO.

When people say Hogan was the centerpiece behind the two biggest periods in wrestling it is not hyberbole. As a Superman babyface he lead one boom, and as a coward heel he started the other (Austin and Rock just took it a lot further in the 2nd boom).