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Post by Raul on Dec 16, 2010 23:43:03 GMT -5
What about that nasty shot on Mr.KennedyAnderson by Taker @ SSeries 07?
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 17, 2010 0:18:01 GMT -5
I have mixed opinions on it.
On one side I really understand not doing unprotected shots to the head anymore. It's a stupid risk, and it's not worth it.
On the other side, I don't see why that means we can't just have protected chair shots to the head. I don't care if they look a little less painful, it certainly looks better than the way that they only do shots to the back now. It just takes me out of the moment the same way that removing the monitors from the announce table for no apparent kayfabe reason does.
EDIT: I also don't see why WWE just doesn't use gimmicked chairs. Make the middle of the chair out of the same thing that the cookie sheets they always used in the attitude era were made of. You could do unprotected shots that look brutal but the wrestler would barely feel a thing. Maybe it's not cost effective or something, but making gimmicked chairs specifically for certain matches doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult.
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Post by manicuno on Dec 17, 2010 0:36:11 GMT -5
Yeah I can't stand watching chairshots like that these days. It pisses me off because a lot of the wrestling fans I know are all like "man thats gay they banned head shots", while I think its a great thing. Late 90s (other eras too but this is what I've watched) wrestling is barbaric and sadistic in a lot of ways I'm glad we're getting away from some things. No one thinks its real anymore, no need to try to convince people by having guys pound each others' brains to mush. 100% this. Mick Foley took some shots that made me literally cringe while watching them. The match with Rock at the Rumble is one that I will never forget. A friend and I were at a local pub watching it, and the place was just about silent at the end of the match. That's how telling it was to me, a bar full of drunken marks, totally silent at the end of the match, because after Foley said "I Quit" we all thought he was ligit dead. Still makes my stomach turn.
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Post by AnActualBear on Dec 17, 2010 1:11:31 GMT -5
It depends who is in the match. If it's someone like Benoit then I get a little uncomfortable, but on the whole I agree with the poster above that it's silly to ban them altogether. Use gimmicked chairs made from the same stuff they make Cookie sheets with. It doesn't even hurt.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 17, 2010 1:22:09 GMT -5
I have mixed opinions on it. On one side I really understand not doing unprotected shots to the head anymore. It's a stupid risk, and it's not worth it. On the other side, I don't see why that means we can't just have protected chair shots to the head. I don't care if they look a little less painful, it certainly looks better than the way that they only do shots to the back now. It just takes me out of the moment the same way that removing the monitors from the announce table for no apparent kayfabe reason does. EDIT: I also don't see why WWE just doesn't use gimmicked chairs. Make the middle of the chair out of the same thing that the cookie sheets they always used in the attitude era were made of. You could do unprotected shots that look brutal but the wrestler would barely feel a thing. Maybe it's not cost effective or something, but making gimmicked chairs specifically for certain matches doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult. I like the kayfabe reason (that I made up) that they take off the monitors because they get find if they don't for breaking camera equipment.
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Post by Nuke is Good on Dec 17, 2010 1:22:10 GMT -5
How about the one the Hardy's (or was it just Jeff?) gave to Lesnar? Those looked stiff as hell and Brock didn't even put his hands up.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Dec 17, 2010 1:27:30 GMT -5
Watching any shot Benoit took to the head makes me insanely uncomfortable.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 17, 2010 1:32:01 GMT -5
Watching any shot Benoit took to the head makes me insanely uncomfortable. Like that one one in the 2001 Royal Rumble
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 17, 2010 1:43:00 GMT -5
When I was a kid ONE chair shot usually put someone out for the match. It got out of hand during the late 90s.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 17, 2010 2:18:33 GMT -5
I'm know I'm going to come off coldly here, but with the exception of Rock/Mankind and any shot Benoit took, most chairshots don't affect me just due to one incident (and let's be honest, I think said incident went deeper than just the shots to the head he took, but I'll stop there).
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 17, 2010 4:51:47 GMT -5
Depends how old they are. If I know the wrestler is okay, such as in Foley's case, then it still makes me go 'ooooof that was nasty,' but I can comfort myself knowing he's recovered now, as far as I know.
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Post by spagett on Dec 17, 2010 5:08:11 GMT -5
I'm know I'm going to come off coldly here, but with the exception of Rock/Mankind and any shot Benoit took, most chairshots don't affect me just due to one incident (and let's be honest, I think said incident went deeper than just the shots to the head he took, but I'll stop there). No I agree. 11 or 12 unprotected chair shots to the head like at the Royal Rumble 1999 is obviously dangerous but I think that a lot of people think Benoit's issues stemmed soley from Chair shots which I don't agree with.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 17, 2010 5:55:51 GMT -5
Watching any shot Benoit took to the head makes me insanely uncomfortable. Like that one one in the 2001 Royal Rumble Beat me to it. Just seeing a man suicide dive head-first into a chair is just cringe-worthy. On a similar note, Benoit's suicide dive straight into the barricade at Summerslam 2004. I slowed that one down and he does not get his hands up at all.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Dec 17, 2010 6:14:36 GMT -5
Yeah I can't stand watching chairshots like that these days. It pisses me off because a lot of the wrestling fans I know are all like "man thats gay they banned head shots", while I think its a great thing. Late 90s (other eras too but this is what I've watched) wrestling is barbaric and sadistic in a lot of ways I'm glad we're getting away from some things. No one thinks its real anymore, no need to try to convince people by having guys pound each others' brains to mush. yeah this
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Dec 17, 2010 6:46:40 GMT -5
That shot where the Rock just levels Shamrock with the edge of the chair is sickening to watch. In the Rock's defense, though, that was an accident.
The thing at RR is terrible. After the first few shots, Mankind is obviously trying to get the Rock to hit him in the back, but the Rock never takes that shot. It's just "head shot, head shot, headshot, headshot, etc."
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Post by shadowangel on Dec 17, 2010 7:20:41 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with it. Unprotected Chair Shots at least look more realisticaly than the stupid "I put my arms over it so nothing happens but i sell it as if i was shot"-Crap. It shouldn't get out of hand as with Mankind-Rock but i seriously doubt that one single Chairshot or even two with those flimsy chairs is that dangerous. It wasn't a problem years ago, why did wrestling and wrestling fans changed to such pussies who think that every 'dangerous' move, every weapon and basically everything that is WRESTLING should be banned, forbidden and sent to hell? Just because one guy went crazy and we still don't know what the real reasons were? I say: Wrestlers know the risk, the same as race car drivers (People died there but they still continue to drive at 300 km/h, right? Nobody said 'Oh no, people could die....let's drop the speed down to 100!') and people in every other sport. Football players don't cry, Hockey players don't cry when they get the puck right in their face (most of them still refuse to wear visors, despite the risk) so i say it is ok. Wrestling would be pretty boring if the 'Emo generation' takes over and bans everything that feels 'brutal'
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Post by Branimal on Dec 17, 2010 8:20:39 GMT -5
I seem to recall a match with Mankind... it was either against Bulldog or Shamrock, where they beat him down to his knees with a chair, and then side-swung to give him an unprotected chairshot to the side of the head and face. It just looked BRUTAL. I still think that there has not been a direct chairshot more brutal than that. Well, a close second would the aforementioned Jericho shot from TLC III. I think Foley said in an interview not too long ago that he doesn't understand the problem with putting your hand up. He said Triple H rarely, if ever, took a direct chair shot..he always through his hand up at the last second.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 8:38:30 GMT -5
When I was a kid ONE chair shot usually put someone out for the match. It got out of hand during the late 90s. Back then, if you were piledriven on a chair, you were gone for months, because they sold it as if you had your neck broken. A regular piledriver could put you out for the match, but put a chair underneath and you were destined to be crippled. If they had any interviews with the affected wrestler, he'd be in a hospital bed or a wheelchair. The worst I can recall was the one X-Pac gave Owen Hart at a Raw before KotR 1998. I dunno if Waltman was aiming for Owen's back or what, but he ran out from the back with a chair and clubbed Owen around the shoulders. The top frame of the chair caught Owen around the base of the skull, splitting him wide-open and leaving him dazed. (JR said when they wrestled each other at KotR, "...he got him some, folks! It took 7 staples to close [that wound].") Once in awhile was fine, but every stinkin' match with chairs being used was crazy.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 17, 2010 8:47:21 GMT -5
It shouldn't get out of hand as with Mankind-Rock but i seriously doubt that one single Chairshot or even two with those flimsy chairs is that dangerous. I don't mean to single one quote out; this goes to everybody who has the same sentiments: I am a 35 year old man who probably has 10% (if that) of the strength of most of these wrestlers. Let me take one of those so-called "flimsy" chairs and hit you over the head unprotected just once, and let's see if you still say it's not that dangerous. Now think of that chair being swung by a man 3X my weight, twice my size, and with about 10X my strength. All it takes is one wrong move and just one of those chair shots could put you on the shelf for a while, injure you permanently, or even kill you. What they were doing was extremely dangerous.
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Post by golding on Dec 17, 2010 8:48:37 GMT -5
I don't really have anything against chair shots to the head, so long as the wrestler is a willing recipient. They know the risks, and I'm not one to preach about how they manage their bodies.
The only chair shots that I found cringing was the neverending shots Rock gave Mankind in their I Quit match. Foley used to dive into the chairs, but you can see in this match he's trying to run away. For Foley to run away, you know it's not good.
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