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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 17, 2010 20:05:07 GMT -5
And guys, you do know that even protected chairshots pass on impact to the brain don't you? Sure it's a hell of a lot less, but it's still going to have a knock on effect on your health. Unless, of course, the wrestler throwing knows how to throw the chair so that he doesn't kill his opponent.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 17, 2010 22:01:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised NO BODY has mentioned the chair shots Ric Flair gave Triple H at Taboo Tuesday 2005 yet. Those are as brutal as you are gonna get.
Speaking of chairshots to the head, here is what I think: while they are dangerous, they can be used effectively really only under 2 conditions: 1. Let a veteran take the shot (like a HHH, Cena, 'Taker, etc.) 2. Don't do it more than once/often.
One of the things I hated about the Cena/Batista build-up to Wrestlemania last year was that I knew a chairshot to the head was coming during a beatdown on RAW, but it didn't, and therefore the segment had an empty feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 2:56:43 GMT -5
I'm in favour of chairshots, and I do get the danger. And I've talked about this numerous times, but if the guy throwing the chair is competent and knows what he's doing, and the guy taking it does the same, it's fine. I think ECW really did some damage with the use of chairs and headshots, and people trading shots to try and see who was tougher. And, I think guys, while some may know how to throw a chair shot, they wanted to make it look "real", which kinda takes away from the point of wrestling. It's all supposed to look real. I'm not sure I agree with the notion that it's a matter of "knowing how to throw a chair shot". If your concern is to make it look real then the only way to do it is gonna hurt regardless. Lance Storm got a lot of flack for his weak chairshots to the head. Storm, who is real particular when it comes to being safe in the ring, I take it from him when he says there isn't really a way to hit someone in the head with a chair. When I hear guys like Raven and other wrestlers shrug off chairshots saying that you simply ought to know "how" to throw/take a chairshot I think they're just being toughguys, and perhaps justifying their prior use of it. Mick Foley speaking against chairshots should be awful telling too because he's probably taken the worst and the most of them. It just seems like a simple thing, professional wrestlers need to protect each other and I think unprotected chairshots to the head stifle the main objective, and is almost cheating in a sense. I don't understand then, what is your ideal solution to the problem? Are you saying that since banning unprotected chairshots to the head isn't going to solve the problem they should just unban them and stop worrying about it? Or are you saying they should ban chairshots period? A piledriver and a chairshot are two different things, there ARE ways to take a piledriver and not get hurt. There are ways to take a chairshot without getting hurt but it looks so silly you might as well put your hands up and let them swing a little harder. I'm actually fine with pile drivers being banned just because if it weren't it would just become another move, and it's just too brutal looking of a move to me to be used as such.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 18, 2010 3:08:34 GMT -5
The Two Man Power Trip beatdown on Team Xtreme, with Austin beating the shit out of Lita a chair. Watching that now is a bit weird to watch.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 18, 2010 5:53:38 GMT -5
When I was a kid ONE chair shot usually put someone out for the match. It got out of hand during the late 90s. I was checking out matches on YouTube recently and was a bit amazed to see the way Tatanka's long undefeated streak ended. Borga hit him once to the back outside the ring. He then walked around getting heat from the fans, walked back to Tatanka and rolled him into the ring, looked around at the fans some more, and pinned him with one finger, since Tatanka was still out cold.
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Post by Bald Bull on Dec 18, 2010 6:19:27 GMT -5
Everyone is worried about protecting the wrestlers' brains, the wrestlers' necks. But nobody cares about how many bumps someone who works 300 days a year takes. Bumps destroy your back over time. To the point where your discs swell up and you can barely walk. The majority of painkiller addictions in wrestling have come from back injuries. If you're going to protect the brain, protect the neck, then you should protect the back as well.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, but if you don't want to see concussions and you don't want to see broken necks, then why would you want to see crippling back injuries?
I say it's either all or nothing, allow the wrestlers to hit each other in the head, allow them to use piledrivers. You might as well if they are going to have to have back surgery in 15 years.
But if you don't want broken necks, concussions or debilitating back injuries then you might as well turn it into fake amateur wrestling, have no bumps, no moves where a wrestler's head is exposed, have no weapons at all.
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Post by thesingularity on Dec 18, 2010 6:37:18 GMT -5
As regards the Foley/Rock I Quit I seem to recall a figure of 5 being agreed upon.
The idea was the because Foley was handcuffed the Rock would use his great mike skills to ring ever bit of tension of the audience between each one, so the crowd would be begging for Mick to quit.
I think its even be suggest that because Mick's family were at ringside, that may well have also been used for emotional leverge.
Beyond the Match is famous for his family's reactions to each shot.
Foley says that thinks that he ran at the 3rd shot because he was very angry with how quick the first two had been delivered and, as someone said, how he hadn't planned how different an unprotected shot would feel with his hands behind him.
He was indeed mad with the Rock because the were so many, but he also said that it may well have made the match, which given all the reactions on here and me watching on TV live at the time did indeed work, including the 'screwy' finish.
In the Rumble when in came down to Kane vs Austin (2001 I think) Austin gives Kane two very heavy shots, in fact I think Austin really did let rip with a chair on most accasion.
Further to Foley, there is an interview on 'Off The Record' where he ominously states that back in 2000 he told Vince that he was driving 20 minutes passed his house because he forgets things.
Chair shots reached too much of a peak, brutatlity like that is only effective is used sparingly.
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Post by Remix on Dec 18, 2010 6:55:04 GMT -5
And guys, you do know that even protected chairshots pass on impact to the brain don't you? Sure it's a hell of a lot less, but it's still going to have a knock on effect on your health. Unless, of course, the wrestler throwing knows how to throw the chair so that he doesn't kill his opponent. Put your forearm on your forehead and slap it. Can you feel the impact from the slap on your forehead? Now imagine that being done with a chair. Sure it's a massive improvement over an unprotected shot, but it's still going to pass some impact on to the brain.
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