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Post by justfromg on May 31, 2006 1:14:25 GMT -5
If Hat Guy and Faith No More Guy are not in the front row at ONS II, I will be severely pissed. The club ECW fans not having prime pickings on the seats, thus not being there or being off in the corner or 3rd row somewhere, ruins a lot of it for me. Who will be in the front row to personally cuss out Cena 3 ft from the camera? Sure, probably the whole arena will boo him but it's just not the same! Not having the true fans in the arena is the worst part of these PPV's
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 9:11:24 GMT -5
Well, reading the SD spoilers, they added another match to the PPV. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't scroll down.
*SPOILER*
Rey Mysterio will defend the World Title against Sabu. If it was a regular match, I wouldn't mind that much, but does the title really have to be on the line?
I mean, this is sounding more and more like a Raw/SD production than an ECW PPV.
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Post by Rick Mad on May 31, 2006 13:51:42 GMT -5
Yeah, defending the Title is stupid. If it wasn't on the line, I could see it to be very possible that Sabu would win. But ... yeah.
I'm hoping the spoilers were wrong and its not actually a title defense.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 14:45:58 GMT -5
Yeah, defending the Title is stupid. If it wasn't on the line, I could see it to be very possible that Sabu would win. But ... yeah. I'm hoping the spoilers were wrong and its not actually a title defense. Ditto for me too, it does give it away knowing it's a title match. And it would've been a dream match 10 years ago, but now, both guys are older and have had several injuries since that time. I'm curious to hear mroberts21's thought's on this new development.
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Post by The Big J-Sizzle on May 31, 2006 16:45:06 GMT -5
mrobert21, that was the single greatest post ever.
That is all
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Post by mrobert21 on May 31, 2006 20:36:01 GMT -5
Yeah, defending the Title is stupid. If it wasn't on the line, I could see it to be very possible that Sabu would win. But ... yeah. I'm hoping the spoilers were wrong and its not actually a title defense. Ditto for me too, it does give it away knowing it's a title match. And it would've been a dream match 10 years ago, but now, both guys are older and have had several injuries since that time. I'm curious to hear mroberts21's thought's on this new development. Ask and you shall receive my faithful Flock member. Whitey- Anti-LardassKrusader, thefreakinman, and YJC - I love you guys (not in the way Orlando Jordan loves men, but in a platonic, brotherly type way since we are all kindred, poor wrestling hating, spirits). Sabu versus Rey Mysterio sucks more balls than will be used in Major League baseball all season long. The match it self is destined for a negative 2 star anti classic, since both guys are old and broken down and need to work with another good wrestler to be carried. Sabu blew spots left and right when he was young and as Rey showed last year when he got booed out of the joint he is not capable of going to the extreme. Just because a match never happenned before is not a good reason to book it now. Defending the Smackdown belt at ECW for no reason deserves to be called dumb ass more than the number of times Red Foreman called everyone else on That 70's Show a dumb ass combined. My dislike for the new ECW has quickly become a loathing. Does anybody think both WWF titles will be put on the new ECW show (I bet neither of tham will be)? Does anybody think McMahon's top Hispanic draw will job to a guy that was in TNA last month? I could not figure out why Mysterio was jobbed out as champion until now. Mysterio was booked to look like a wimp so when he beats Sabu clean it will make Sabu look like the biggest wimp ever. Since they are not "homo grown" WWF guys, the classic ECW guys must be made to be punks to Raw and Smackdown guys. Mizark Henry squashes Rey, Rey squashes the Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal maniac, thus meaning Mizark Henry squashes the Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal Maniac. One Night Stand 2 is guaranteed to be the worst pay per view of the year. The card on paper does not even have the potential to be mediocre. What made last year's 1 Night Stand so memorable was that the whole show revolved around ECW, reliving ECW for old ECW fans, and exposing the heart of ECW to new fans like me. This year's show revolves around worthless WWF belts, WWF wrestlers who hardcore fans loathe (smarks have turned against Rey since he won the belt and was forced to do the Eddie crap), and senseless rivalries with no heat (why does Rey want to work Sabu and what the hell is thewhole Foley thing about).
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 20:57:45 GMT -5
Yeah, defending the Title is stupid. If it wasn't on the line, I could see it to be very possible that Sabu would win. But ... yeah. I'm hoping the spoilers were wrong and its not actually a title defense. Ditto for me too, it does give it away knowing it's a title match. And it would've been a dream match 10 years ago, but now, both guys are older and have had several injuries since that time. I'm curious to hear mroberts21's thought's on this new development. I thought it was just gonna be a normal match.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:03:25 GMT -5
Ditto for me too, it does give it away knowing it's a title match. And it would've been a dream match 10 years ago, but now, both guys are older and have had several injuries since that time. I'm curious to hear mroberts21's thought's on this new development. I thought it was just gonna be a normal match. Really, I've heard reports that it's going to be a title defense by Rey, if so that pretty much gives away the result.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 21:04:32 GMT -5
The reports I've seen bear no mention of a title defense.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:07:40 GMT -5
Ditto for me too, it does give it away knowing it's a title match. And it would've been a dream match 10 years ago, but now, both guys are older and have had several injuries since that time. I'm curious to hear mroberts21's thought's on this new development. Ask and you shall receive my faithful Flock member. Whitey- Anti-LardassKrusader, thefreakinman, and YJC - I love you guys (not in the way Orlando Jordan loves men, but in a platonic, brotherly type way since we are all kindred, poor wrestling hating, spirits). Sabu versus Rey Mysterio sucks more balls than will be used in Major League baseball all season long. The match it self is destined for a negative 2 star anti classic, since both guys are old and broken down and need to work with another good wrestler to be carried. Sabu blew spots left and right when he was young and as Rey showed last year when he got booed out of the joint he is not capable of going to the extreme. Just because a match never happenned before is not a good reason to book it now. Defending the Smackdown belt at ECW for no reason deserves to be called dumb ass more than the number of times Red Foreman called everyone else on That 70's Show a dumb ass combined. My dislike for the new ECW has quickly become a loathing. Does anybody think both WWF titles will be put on the new ECW show (I bet neither of tham will be)? Does anybody think McMahon's top Hispanic draw will job to a guy that was in TNA last month? I could not figure out why Mysterio was jobbed out as champion until now. Mysterio was booked to look like a wimp so when he beats Sabu clean it will make Sabu look like the biggest wimp ever. Since they are not "homo grown" WWF guys, the classic ECW guys must be made to be punks to Raw and Smackdown guys. Mizark Henry squashes Rey, Rey squashes the Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal maniac, thus meaning Mizark Henry squashes the Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal Maniac. One Night Stand 2 is guaranteed to be the worst pay per view of the year. The card on paper does not even have the potential to be mediocre. What made last year's 1 Night Stand so memorable was that the whole show revolved around ECW, reliving ECW for old ECW fans, and exposing the heart of ECW to new fans like me. This year's show revolves around worthless WWF belts, WWF wrestlers who hardcore fans loathe (smarks have turned against Rey since he won the belt and was forced to do the Eddie crap), and senseless rivalries with no heat (why does Rey want to work Sabu and what the hell is thewhole Foley thing about). Even though the PPV hasn't happened yet, and I know it's a bit early to say that, I see it being rather bad, especially with Cena there and now Rey as well defending his title against Sabu. Rey/Sabu is definitely out of nowhere and if Sabu made an appearance to challenge Rey, through Fonzie that'd be acceptable at least. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if I heard that Shelton Benjamin was defending his I-C title against The Sandman or something. Last year's had emotion as it was billed as that, a "One Night Stand" and at least none of the WWE guys who have never been in ECW didn't wrestle and only sat in the balcony, which even that was stretching it a bit. This year's is basically a Raw/SD joint production with some former ECW guys here and there.
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Post by mrobert21 on May 31, 2006 21:15:12 GMT -5
Sir, you are a gentleman, scholar, and wrestling expert. This year's 1 Night Stand is for the casual marks, but last year's was for us the real wrestling fans. We will not forget what the real 1 Night Stand meant to us (I have it unedited on VHS and edited on DVD) so luv the casual marks and what ever they think. I was not an ECW fan when they were alive, but your description of the last 1 Night Stand is right on and it was the greatest wrestling pay per view of all time. Foley's heel turn where he does nothing heelish is the drizzling craps. Like Angle going from anti ECW crusader to number 1 ECW singles wrestler, having Foley who last year was at ECW supporting and praising them start bashing them is pointless and illogical. Foley wrote the whole angle himself and it is clear he wrote the angle so in 6 months when his book comes out nobody will remember the heel turn and book sales will not be hurt. Considering most smarks and casual marks view Foley as the greatest Hardcore wrestler ever and possibly the greatest wrestler perion, having Foley come out and call himself that is not going to draw any heat. Your opinion of the great Rob Van Dam is totally on the mark and he is the greatest professional wrestler to never be World Champion. If in 2001 the business had moved towards his cocky, smart, confident stoner character instead of making everbody and their brother an anti authority, screaming, lame, bad ass, the Monday Night War wrestling boom would not have ended. I was also going to buy 1 Night Stand despite being unemployed to see him take his place on top of professional wrestling, but an unfunny thing happenned on the way to the pay per view. He jobbed clean to the Aunt Jemima clone's baby boy in a thrown together crap match with 10 guys, any of whom should have done the job besides Van Dam. That Raw, which was the last 1 I watched, followed by the next 2 Raws I just read about have proved to me RVD will never be given the chance he deserves. Maybe only a quarter of fans who watch Cena winning again will be pissed, but I am betting that like me they will be so pissed they quit watching. Eroding that hardcore fan base is what WCW did for years thinking the casual marks would make up for it then 1 day all the casual marks grew up and vanished and the next thing you know they were cancelled. Wrestling right now is at the same place it was at in 1992 - 1993 (making money, but getting weaker) and McMahon is making the same mistakes he did then that almost bankrupted him in 1995 (replace Luger with Cena and you get the picture). Thanks for the kind words (us Midwesterners need to stick together!). I, too missed the original incarnation of ECW (except for a couple episodes of the TNN show, which did introduce me to Rob Van Dam and show me some cool stuff with him and Jerry Lynn despite being overwhelmingly bad), but after reading your account on it a few months back on this very forum I downloaded it on LimeWire because I respect your knowledge, opinion, and my tendency to agree with your views. I had never seen anything like it before and instantly LOVED it, especaially the Tanaka-Awesome match, even though it was the first match I had seen for either. Will Foley ever truly recover from this current angle? The casual marks will always be behind him, but I think the IWC will definately take a semi-altered view of him, especially in his comments before his "retirement match", "I don't wanna be one of those guys who 'retires' and then comes back 6 months later." Foley the 1/2 assed heel has no place being in a place when everybody just wants plain-old Mick Foley to be. I think this angle will hurt his legacy a lil more than he realizes, and that's coming from a long-time (if 9 years can be considered a long time) Foley fan. Van Dam being jobbed out, though bad, is not nearly as bad as Mysterio being jobbed out before Judgment Day, "Hey, let's take our champion and have him get his ass kicked for a full month, that'll make people buy our PPVs." Van Dam should've had the belt, even for a short while, back within the first year of his arrival in the WWE (even during the Invasion angle, the guy was white-hot and incredibly over with the fans). I noticed a thread on here talkin' about all the positives for the WWE. Personally, I don't see one, just nothing but bleakness ahead untill something revolutionary springs up, but won't happen untill it bottoms out again, like you mentioned. I was first exposed to Rob Van Dam as Robbie V in WCW. Then they f***ed that up like they did everything else. I rediscovered RVD at the Invasion pay per view when he and Jeff Hardy had what truly was the greatest Hardcore match ever (sorry Edge and Foley) and have been hooked on him ever since. If he was the lead guy of the Alliance and became World champion the Invasion would have worked, but the political powers of Undertaker, Austin, Hunter, and Nagle kept RVD down. I saw Awesome live at the Invasion pay per view (I even saw him, Stacy Keibler, and Mark Jindrak in a hotel across the street from the arena when I stopped in to make a phone call at after the event) and was not impressed. What he did last year with Tanaka changed my opinion of Awesome totally. With his heat from the fans and the wrestlers (which he deserves) he could have just gone out there and mailed it in for a pay check. Instead he nutted up and had the most fantastic match of the show and thus changed my low opinion of him. I saw ECW on TNN and Sportschannel when it was alive, but nothing there made me stop channel surfing and watch it. I wrongly thought it was minor league and too hardcore. Over the past couple of yers I have learned the truth about how great it was. It could have been great again, which is what makes me so sad and pissed at what it has become. I have been a Mick Foley fan for 16 years (back when he wrestled in Texas and I thought he really was from Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico) and I think he is a pathetic, washed up, has been who no longer has a place in professional wrestling. I first lost respect for him when he said he was retired then sold out for a Wrestlemania 2000 pay day. I lost respect for him when he quit the WWF rather than work with William Regal or Vince McMahon (a program he admits to regretting not doing because it would have drawn a fortune). All smart fans have lost respect for him during this current run where he buried Carlito, put on many mediocre matches, and has mailed in every performance for a pay check like the whore Heyman said he is. Foley is best used for the occassional appearance as a commedy player, but he has booking control over himself and wants to constantly be bad ass Cactus Jack despite not being mentally or physically capable of doing the part right. You are so right that nothing in wrestling is good any more (Mickie and Trish was the last good thing, but it got dropped because it was better than the men). Remember the Terry Funk movie classic Road House: Kevin Tighe - "It was a good night, nobody died" Patrick Swayze - "It'll get worse before it gets better." WWF wants to think everything is great because it is still making money, but wise long time industry observers like us can see the seeds of destruction being sewn and that wrestling will get worse before it gets better.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 21:16:46 GMT -5
Gah, I'm still wondering whether I should order it or not. On one hand, Cena retaining would infiriate me, and the loss of Benoit/Malenko has really soured me. On the other hand, I feel that each match could (and probally will) deliver. Plus, no matter what happens, I feel I'm guranteed to be entertained witht he atmoshphere of things. So far 3 matches will happen with 2 of them announced. there's still some more of the card left, and depending on how that pans out, I'll decide whether or not to buy it.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:25:21 GMT -5
Last year around this time, I knew for certain I was going to order the ECW ONS PPV. However this year I'm not so sure, as I don't feel like shelling out 34.95 to see Cena make RVD tap then piss all over the ECW banner, and Rey beat Sabu then dedicate every second to Eddie afterwards.
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Post by mrobert21 on May 31, 2006 21:27:03 GMT -5
The reports I've seen bear no mention of a title defense. www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=16431Meltzer says it is a title match, then it is a title match. I would not waste $35 on this glorified Raw episode, much less the new $40 price. Ignoring the Foley, Cena, Mysterio shit I have already torn to shreds, I am major league pissed that Benoit / Malenko has been cancelled. What is worse is that television commercials still say Benoit will be there. False advertising makes me ill.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 21:28:02 GMT -5
God, Rey has dedicated nothing to Eddie in the past month or 2. Let it go, and I'm not just aiming that at you, but people in general.
And it's gonna be 39.95. I think so anyways.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:33:18 GMT -5
God, Rey has dedicated nothing to Eddie in the past month or 2. Let it go, and I'm not just aiming that at you, but people in general. And it's gonna be 39.95. I think so anyways. You're right, I'll give you that, but I have a feeling that he will on this occasion, just an inkling I have. And thanks for reminding me of the price, makes my choice that much easier,lol.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 21:36:38 GMT -5
Hehe, yeah. Mind me if I came off a tad pissed there, but I have an inkling that he won't dedicate anything this time around
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:38:22 GMT -5
Hehe, yeah. Mind me if I came off a tad pissed there, but I have an inkling that he won't dedicate anything this time around Perhaps he won't, but seeing as Eddie passed away after the last ECW PPV took place, I see him mentioning him in some capacity, or at least a video tribute which would be better,IMO. Though I can't say I'm feeling excited as I was for last year's show, considering who's going to be there.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 21:41:52 GMT -5
And you have a right to feel that way. Then again, I have just as much right to feel pumped up for it. Hmmmm..............I read a few minutes ago of a possible fourth match, which if it turns out to be true, could be very interesting to see. This is all relative though.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 21:45:43 GMT -5
And you have a right to feel that way. Then again, I have just as much right to feel pumped up for it. Hmmmm..............I read a few minutes ago of a possible fourth match, which if it turns out to be true, could be very interesting to see. This is all relative though. Oh no, I wasn't suggesting you should feel that way, just saying how I felt about the whole thing. I'm trying to be positive about it, but it's kinda hard, though I hope I'm wrong and it ends up being a success. Though having 2 WWE titles defended there, pretty much means one or at least both champs are retaining which would probably in all likelihood piss off the ECW fans. And for some reason I see Rey getting booed anyways against Sabu.
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