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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 23:23:58 GMT -5
If anything, I think if it was up to Rey he would have stopped a very very long time ago. But that's not the case. Heels like JBL and Orton have had to (against their will as well I would automatically assume have had to use Eddie as a way to get heat. The Chavo thing I admit has some Eddie undertones, most likely, but that hasn't been the focal point of it yet. Then again, alot of the fans need to let it go too. I don't think the fans are really at fault, I mean they are just reacting to what they see on TV. I'm sure if they hadn't mentioned Eddie up and down like his name was going out of style then the fans wouldn't be so upset over it. It would certianly be alot better to chant Rey than Eddie. I even think they (WWE) were trying to go for that in that JBL promo where he told Rey fans wouldn't chant his name because he wasn't worth it. What did they do? I do feel the crowd is somewhat at fault, cause as long as they keep cheering Eddie, it'll send the message that they are still okay with what they're doing.
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Post by jpinkston57 on May 31, 2006 23:29:29 GMT -5
BTW, I was wondering if there's anyone reading this thread who's actually looking forward to ONS2 and plans on ordering/attending, if so wonder if you could tell me why.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 23:40:46 GMT -5
BTW, I was wondering if there's anyone reading this thread who's actually looking forward to ONS2 and plans on ordering/attending, if so wonder if you could tell me why. Well I'm still kinda on the fence for that one, but I'll give my opinions. RVD/Cena: I feel that this will be something to see. Whether Cena gets the most heat in wrestling history, or complete silence, it will definitely be something to see. Cena has gone all out before, and he seems to me like the kind of guy who would be willing to go far here. I don't see this being a classic match, but a hell of an entertaining weapon/hard-hitting match that the atmosphere will definitely make memorable. Sabu/Rey: This could be great. Sabu hasn't slowed down as much as people would like to think, and I don't know, it just clicks to me. There is the aura of "these two have never faced before", even more so for me as a lucha fan since both of these guys helped popularize high-flying in the 90's. It just depends how far Rey can go with the injury. Like I said before, he's expressed willingness to perform old-school style for at least one night. Dreamer/Funk vs Foley/Edge: The storyline is keeping me entertained, and that's all I want to be here. Entertained. I recently saw Dreamer/Sandman vs The Dudleys from last year's ONS. I think this one has potential to be just as violent and entertaining as that one was. And for the pure purpose that I can see all of these guys giving their best. Funk won't get many chances to shine any more, he could do it one last time here. dreamer was amazing last year, and considering his devotion tot eh new project, I see him getting bloody and battered here as well. Not to forget Foley and Edge, who put on one hell of a match at Wrestlemania. Just have this be a hardcorefest, and it will be gold. That's all I'm thinking so far.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 31, 2006 23:48:22 GMT -5
I think Sabu has slowed down quite a bit, his match with Samoa Joe from the TNA PPV last month kinda put things in perspective as he was wrestling through an injury that he recieved and the match was cut short because of it.
Maybe it'll happen that same way with Rey, and maybe not. To be honest I'm not really looking forward to the match.
Funk/Dreamer vs. Foley/Edge does sound a bit interesting, but I just hope that Foley stays inactive after this for a long while.
Cena/RVD will definitely have the fans reacting to it, and I hope that they send the fans home happy otherwise this could really sour any already skeptical ECW fans on the new ECW brand.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 31, 2006 23:59:54 GMT -5
I think Sabu has slowed down quite a bit, his match with Samoa Joe from the TNA PPV last month kinda put things in perspective as he was wrestling through an injury that he recieved and the match was cut short because of it. I don't know if that injury is healed yet or not, cause it would be a factor. I don't think Sabu has slowed down when he's not injured, cause he still did great at Monster's Ball and in his matches with Abyss including the Barbwire Massacre. Granted, that was about 6 months ago, but still.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 1, 2006 10:17:00 GMT -5
I think Sabu has slowed down quite a bit, his match with Samoa Joe from the TNA PPV last month kinda put things in perspective as he was wrestling through an injury that he recieved and the match was cut short because of it. I don't know if that injury is healed yet or not, cause it would be a factor. I don't think Sabu has slowed down when he's not injured, cause he still did great at Monster's Ball and in his matches with Abyss including the Barbwire Massacre. Granted, that was about 6 months ago, but still. Maybe he'll pull off a great performance, but to be honest, I think the match will be one big spotfest.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jun 1, 2006 16:02:57 GMT -5
It's live and free on Sky Sports 1 in England ...
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 1, 2006 18:09:51 GMT -5
I think Sabu has slowed down quite a bit, his match with Samoa Joe from the TNA PPV last month kinda put things in perspective as he was wrestling through an injury that he recieved and the match was cut short because of it. Maybe it'll happen that same way with Rey, and maybe not. To be honest I'm not really looking forward to the match. Funk/Dreamer vs. Foley/Edge does sound a bit interesting, but I just hope that Foley stays inactive after this for a long while. Cena/RVD will definitely have the fans reacting to it, and I hope that they send the fans home happy otherwise this could really sour any already skeptical ECW fans on the new ECW brand. Here are my thpoughts on the signed matches. These thoughts are based solely on the work not story line implications, which I have already been through to death and will no doubt revisit in later posts. RVD / Cena: 2 stars in a match that would be okay for Raw, but not worth $40. Cena's move set is limited and not realistic in the least. He works hard on the promotional and entertainment end of the business, but is well known as a sacker in the ring who has no interest in busting his ass or improving. Van Dam's innovative style can be hard for experienced hands like Angle or HHH to deal with, much less a green rookie who he has never worked before and will never work again. Sabu / Mysterio: -2 stars in a sloppy spot fest of contrived bumps that miss over and over again in a commedy of errors. Both these guys are booked against big men all the time (Sabu with Abyss, Joe, Rhyno and Mysterio with Bradshaw, Henry, Khali) for a reason - so Mysterio ans Sabu can be tossed aroundand do the bumping. Once again 2 guys who have never worked before and will never work each other again get on the job training at a pay per view, but unlike Cena and RVD these 2 guys are broken down and do not work full schedules. Funk / Dreamer versus Foley / Edge: 1 star for misguided nostalgia. For all the warm memories of Funk and Dreamer in ECW read the reviews of their matches and 90% of them were 2 stars or less (this was a decade ago when they were only middle aged). Foley has been an embarrassment in the ring since giving Orton the rub 2 years ago and now looks in shape to win a pie eating contest. Edge is clearly mailing it in messing around with these fossils after seeing his push get killed and knowing nothing is ahead of him except a reported curtain jerking program with Carlito. If you are getting this pay per view for free, you should still demand a refund. I read Benoit is pissed his match with Malenko was cancelled. I agree with him. Malenko actually trained and got in shape for for it. I guess Malenko should have gone on a Dreamer / Funk / Foley hot dog and hamburger regimen if he wanted to make it to this disater of a show.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 1, 2006 20:56:25 GMT -5
I'd rather see Benoit/Sabu, as they would have a backstory to go with, however they go with Sabu/Rey as their "dream match". I've not heard people mention those 2 put together, maybe some have, but that's the first time I've heard that.
I don't think the match will be great at all, I see several highspots, but not a great match to remember though I could be wrong.
If Jericho would come to the PPV, I'd be tempted to order it, but for now I probably won't.
About last year's ONS, the funny thing was the match that was regarded by most as the MOTN, was between 2 guys who weren't contracted by Vince, Masato Tanaka and Mike Awesome. Benoit/Guerrero wasn't good at all, and seemed like that they were holding back.
Rey/Psicosis wasn't as good as people thought it would be and the 3-way was too short.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 1, 2006 21:54:08 GMT -5
I'd rather see Benoit/Sabu, as they would have a backstory to go with, however they go with Sabu/Rey as their "dream match". I've not heard people mention those 2 put together, maybe some have, but that's the first time I've heard that. I don't think the match will be great at all, I see several highspots, but not a great match to remember though I could be wrong. If Jericho would come to the PPV, I'd be tempted to order it, but for now I probably won't. About last year's ONS, the funny thing was the match that was regarded by most as the MOTN, was between 2 guys who weren't contracted by Vince, Masato Tanaka and Mike Awesome. Benoit/Guerrero wasn't good at all, and seemed like that they were holding back. Rey/Psicosis wasn't as good as people thought it would be and the 3-way was too short. I wanted Benoit / Malenko bad. ECW already did a bunch of Benoit / Sabu stuff after the neck break (Sabu did not hold it against Benoit like Iwould have if he tossed me carelessly into the air). If Benoit / Malenko could not happen, then Mysterio / Malenko or Mysterio / Benoit should have. Sabu is known for falling to pieces in a match if the first few spots are blown (see Sandman / Sabu), so if he and Rey miscommunicate more than twice early on (as is likely) this has thechance of reaching Jackie Gayda levels. If Jericho shows up it will just be a run in or they would be promoting him. Do not buy it just for him. Benoit / Guerrero never got going because Guerrero got all testy at the heat Edge and the crusaders were getting instead of him. I love Eddie Guerrero and he was a magnificent talent, but he could be moody and not perform if he did not want to. Benoit was getting pissed at him so they went home early. They both worked face too, which is never good in a match. Rey sucked because he insisted on doing his crap WWF offense (619 twice). Psychosis had just signed with WWF and was under orders no to look better than Rey. The air went out of the building after Psychosis took his mask off. He is an ugly guy. 3 way was short, but good. First time I was exposed to the cool Unholy Alliance gimmick or the FBI gimmick being done right (like I said I am a newbie ECW fan). Crazy balcony dive ruled all. Oh Dios Mio !!! Tanaka and Awesome ruled because they were allowed to kick 16 different types of ass. They signed waivers so Mcmahon could care less if they murdered each other. Neither of them had to worry about working the next day so they could go all out. Look in Awesome's eyes on the video when the Raw guys turn their back on him, Styles is burying him, and the fans are Conway popping him and you can see that he knew his career had come full circle and he had something to prove, even if it was just to prove it to himself.
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 1, 2006 23:47:18 GMT -5
In spite of all the bleakness that lies ahead of it... I still think that ECW needs one fatal blow when the TV show airs to officially kill it for good, I'm thinking a Spirit-Squad-like gimmick (in the sense of how horrendus, awful, stupid and pointless that one is) will finally be it's undoing.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 2, 2006 0:28:05 GMT -5
In spite of all the bleakness that lies ahead of it... I still think that ECW needs one fatal blow when the TV show airs to officially kill it for good, I'm thinking a Spirit-Squad-like gimmick (in the sense of how horrendus, awful, stupid and pointless that one is) will finally be it's undoing. First time there is any Sci - Fi cross over, it will be toast. Truthfully, I do not expect a single fatal blow. It will last its 13 week run with weak ratings in the .5 to .9 range, then fade off into being an internet show for international programming commitments until it just goes back to being Velocity between January and June of 2007. It will do like a 1.5 its first week, everyone will see the same old guys (Angle, Test, Van Dam, et cetera) doing the same old things (safe style, Angle Invitational, in a Smackdown ring before a half full crowd) and tune out. A Spirit Squad appearance could speed things up (can you really hate them as much as I do).
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 2, 2006 1:28:57 GMT -5
Cena has put on some pretty good brawls in the past, most notably with JBL. Him and RVD should have a watchable garbage match with lots of plunder, wherein both take a huge beating to the delight of the crowd. It'll be more for the possible reactions than anything.
Funk/Dreamer versus Foley/Edge ... uh, I don't care.
Rey/Sabu ... ditto. Why are they wrestling?
Anyways, I'm going to have to see a full card before I make a decision. If the Eliminators and Sandman show up, I'll probably go the sports bar route and see it for the price of a few drinks.
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 2, 2006 1:38:40 GMT -5
A Spirit Squad appearance could speed things up (can you really hate them as much as I do). Yup, one of the few things that exceed my "Striesand-hate" is my "Spirit Squad-hate".
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 2, 2006 8:29:27 GMT -5
Cena has put on some pretty good brawls in the past, most notably with JBL. Him and RVD should have a watchable garbage match with lots of plunder, wherein both take a huge beating to the delight of the crowd. It'll be more for the possible reactions than anything. Funk/Dreamer versus Foley/Edge ... uh, I don't care. Rey/Sabu ... ditto. Why are they wrestling? Anyways, I'm going to have to see a full card before I make a decision. If the Eliminators and Sandman show up, I'll probably go the sports bar route and see it for the price of a few drinks. Apparently Edge...como se dice doesn't give a damn either, as he didn't come out on Monday to help Mick against Angle. I'm not really looking forward to Foley/Edge vs. Dreamer/Funk that much. Rey/Sabu I have no earthly idea about as I've not heard anyone really mention this match at all, and I see the ECW crowd turning on Rey before long. I wouldn't hold my breath on Saturn/Kronus, as Saturn is retired from what I understand after several injuries and being shot in the neck as well. Don't expect 8-9 matches, or anything, it'll probably be 6 at the most with some filler in between.
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Post by Rick Mad on Jun 2, 2006 12:09:33 GMT -5
He works hard on the promotional and entertainment end of the business, but is well known as a sacker in the ring who has no interest in busting his ass or improving. Not that I enjoy defending Cena but this just is not true. Maybe you don't like what he tries to improve himself to be (a worker in the style that WWE wants from him) but its not really fair to say he doesn't try or anything. Mostly anything I've heard about his reputation is the exact opposite of that.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 2, 2006 19:14:36 GMT -5
A Spirit Squad appearance could speed things up (can you really hate them as much as I do). Yup, one of the few things that exceed my "Striesand-hate" is my "Spirit Squad-hate". Why did I have to have a stupid sister? You are the little brother I always wanted. I love you man. Though I would still nail Streisand in the ass as long as she did not talk or show her nose.
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Post by suntannedsuperman on Jun 2, 2006 19:25:43 GMT -5
Im calling it now On Smackdown they said Angle will face someone Im calling it Angle vs Malenko
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 2, 2006 19:31:16 GMT -5
Cena has put on some pretty good brawls in the past, most notably with JBL. Him and RVD should have a watchable garbage match with lots of plunder, wherein both take a huge beating to the delight of the crowd. It'll be more for the possible reactions than anything. Funk/Dreamer versus Foley/Edge ... uh, I don't care. Rey/Sabu ... ditto. Why are they wrestling? Anyways, I'm going to have to see a full card before I make a decision. If the Eliminators and Sandman show up, I'll probably go the sports bar route and see it for the price of a few drinks. Cena / JBL had good brawls. What alternate reality was this in? Their 2 star anti classic at Wrestlemania 21 made Hart versus Yokozuna look like Guerrero versus Angle. Their program sucked so bad they had to move Cena to Raw. The 2 guys who have the worst worked puches in history doing 15 minutes of punching, yipeeeee. The 1 thing RVD sucks at is punching, which is why every Hunter / RVD match is booked to have a 5 minute segment of RVD punching Hunter. I would call Cena's brawling chick fighting, but there is no reason to bad mouth chicks. What is worse, Cena's 5 move set or him not being able to sell. Cena has had major heat with the boys for not working more on his wrestling. I have read it on many news sites. Why do you think they booked it into the Hunter program to admit on camera that Cena sucks as a wrestler? If it were not for safe style, which should not be in effect in ECW, lousy Cena would look worse.
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 2, 2006 19:38:26 GMT -5
Why did I have to have a stupid sister? You are the little brother I always wanted. I love you man. Though I would still nail Streisand in the ass as long as she did not talk or show her nose. It's nice to have someone in my corner right now, 'considering 3/4 of people who post in "Off Topic" hate my guts right now.
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