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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 2, 2006 21:39:39 GMT -5
Why did I have to have a stupid sister? You are the little brother I always wanted. I love you man. Though I would still nail Streisand in the ass as long as she did not talk or show her nose. It's nice to have someone in my corner right now, 'considering 3/4 of people who post in "Off Topic" hate my guts right now. That is why I avoid off topic. If I wanted to talk about other topics I would join those boards. I am hated by everyone because I loathe TNA and WWF (I am a man without a country). Nobody gets heat like I do when I visit Wrest of Wrestling and start telling the truth about TNA and WCW.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 2, 2006 21:46:47 GMT -5
It's nice to have someone in my corner right now, 'considering 3/4 of people who post in "Off Topic" hate my guts right now. That is why I avoid off topic. If I wanted to talk about other topics I would join those boards. I am hated by everyone because I loathe TNA and WWF (I am a man without a country). Nobody gets heat like I do when I visit Wrest of Wrestling and start telling my opinions about TNA and WCW. Ahem..............
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 2, 2006 21:55:35 GMT -5
That is why I avoid off topic. If I wanted to talk about other topics I would join those boards. I am hated by everyone because I loathe TNA and WWF (I am a man without a country). Nobody gets heat like I do when I visit Wrest of Wrestling and start telling the truth about TNA and WCW. To be honest, I usually like "Off-Topic" and had never had a negetive experience untill yesterday. Shit happens... BACK ON TOPIC: Question, does anyone else see startling similarities between ECW's re-emergence and the infamous Invasion?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 2, 2006 22:07:43 GMT -5
That is why I avoid off topic. If I wanted to talk about other topics I would join those boards. I am hated by everyone because I loathe TNA and WWF (I am a man without a country). Nobody gets heat like I do when I visit Wrest of Wrestling and start telling the truth about TNA and WCW. To be honest, I usually like "Off-Topic" and had never had a negetive experience untill yesterday. crap happens... BACK ON TOPIC: Question, does anyone else see startling similarities between ECW's re-emergence and the infamous Invasion? Yeah, I'm starting to see a bit of that, and it looks like the whole ECW PPV is going to be another ECW vs. WWE affair as it seems like Tazz is going to face Lawler from his comments on SD tonight.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 2, 2006 23:43:20 GMT -5
To be honest, I usually like "Off-Topic" and had never had a negetive experience untill yesterday. crap happens... BACK ON TOPIC: Question, does anyone else see startling similarities between ECW's re-emergence and the infamous Invasion? Yeah, I'm starting to see a bit of that, and it looks like the whole ECW PPV is going to be another ECW vs. WWE affair as it seems like Tazz is going to face Lawler from his comments on SD tonight. Well EZ, I do not know what the Ahem is for, but I bet it ain't good. Anyway, I have been fairly specific this is an exact repeat on the Invasion. However, we should list all its similarities for posteriority as Archie Bunker might say. I will start the list as the lead anti ECW heel here. 1. Kurt Angle joins a brand he has no history with for no reason. Hey the weak side we want to lose has no credibility, well toss Angle on it to try to give it credibility until it is buried. 2. Network interference. Spike would not let McMahon give WCW its own segment or show, which started the invasion. USA only gives ECW a late night slot on the unwatched Sci Fi channel. In exchange they demand Aliens invading ECW, No network promotion or sponsorship of ECW, but lots of restrictions, like how a certain redneck deliverance channel drove the first ECW into bakruptcy. 3. ECW as inept commedy heels. RVD shuffling to the ring with his brief case to job after a match starts, then 2 weeks later flopping around like a fish out of water with jabroni Nitro. Foley and Funk cheap popping and flailing around the ring like they just escaped the old folks Home. Heyman whining and pandering to Conway popsand disaffection. 4. WWF mid carders are the present and future of ECW, until McMahon can make a time Machine and also make them ECW's past as well. Failed mid card flops with no ECW history (Testicles, Mordegay, et cetera) as top heels. Green botch monsters (Mike Knox, Sylvester Turkey, et cetera) as the future stars. Of course the upper mid carders without political pull (Angle, Big Slow, Van Dam) as the main eventers (though we all know RVD will not be main eventing after a month). 5. No long term marketing or planning. Let's have a pay per view and a few house shows and hope everything turns out okay. No compelling campaign to interest new or existing fans in it. NO set goals or long term vision of where everything in going, just toss shit at a wall and hope it sticks. I got plenty more, but I want to give everybody else a chance.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 2, 2006 23:57:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm starting to see a bit of that, and it looks like the whole ECW PPV is going to be another ECW vs. WWE affair as it seems like Tazz is going to face Lawler from his comments on SD tonight. Well EZ, I do not know what the Ahem is for, but I bet it ain't good. Anyway, I have been fairly specific this is an exact repeat on the Invasion. However, we should list all its similarities for posteriority as Archie Bunker might say. I will start the list as the lead anti ECW heel here. 1. Kurt Angle joins a brand he has no history with for no reason. Hey the weak side we want to lose has no credibility, well toss Angle on it to try to give it credibility until it is buried. 2. Network interference. Spike would not let McMahon give WCW its own segment or show, which started the invasion. USA only gives ECW a late night slot on the unwatched Sci Fi channel. In exchange they demand Aliens invading ECW, No network promotion or sponsorship of ECW, but lots of restrictions, like how a certain redneck deliverance channel drove the first ECW into bakruptcy. 3. ECW as inept commedy heels. RVD shuffling to the ring with his brief case to job after a match starts, then 2 weeks later flopping around like a fish out of water with jabroni Nitro. Foley and Funk cheap popping and flailing around the ring like they just escaped the old folks Home. Heyman whining and pandering to Conway popsand disaffection. 4. WWF mid carders are the present and future of ECW, until McMahon can make a time Machine and also make them ECW's past as well. Failed mid card flops with no ECW history (Testicles, Mordegay, et cetera) as top heels. Green botch monsters (Mike Knox, Sylvester Turkey, et cetera) as the future stars. Of course the upper mid carders without political pull (Angle, Big Slow, Van Dam) as the main eventers (though we all know RVD will not be main eventing after a month). 5. No long term marketing or planning. Let's have a pay per view and a few house shows and hope everything turns out okay. No compelling campaign to interest new or existing fans in it. NO set goals or long term vision of where everything in going, just toss crap at a wall and hope it sticks. I got plenty more, but I want to give everybody else a chance. I'd be inclined to agree, you bring up some very valid points there mroberts21. The one thing that really stood out was Vince saying "he's going to cater to the Sci-Fi audience". Man, if that's not something to not look forward to I don't know what is. You can't just tack on the ECW banner on something and expect the old ECW fans to follow it mindlessly. That's why they booed Rey last year, just cause you were in ECW, and now part of WWE doesn't mean you can do you WWE mannerisms there. That's why Jericho wasn't referred to as "Y2J" and was called "Lionheart". To be honest I'd rather see Flair vs. Funk one more time, than Foley/Funk any day of the week. RVD is going to get screwed over again somehow before it's all said and done, if he wins, it's a Dusty Finish for certain and if he loses (and looks likely) then the new ECW starts off on the wrong foot.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 1:13:07 GMT -5
Well EZ, I do not know what the Ahem is for, but I bet it ain't good. Anyway, I have been fairly specific this is an exact repeat on the Invasion. However, we should list all its similarities for posteriority as Archie Bunker might say. I will start the list as the lead anti ECW heel here. 1. Kurt Angle joins a brand he has no history with for no reason. Hey the weak side we want to lose has no credibility, well toss Angle on it to try to give it credibility until it is buried. 2. Network interference. Spike would not let McMahon give WCW its own segment or show, which started the invasion. USA only gives ECW a late night slot on the unwatched Sci Fi channel. In exchange they demand Aliens invading ECW, No network promotion or sponsorship of ECW, but lots of restrictions, like how a certain redneck deliverance channel drove the first ECW into bakruptcy. 3. ECW as inept commedy heels. RVD shuffling to the ring with his brief case to job after a match starts, then 2 weeks later flopping around like a fish out of water with jabroni Nitro. Foley and Funk cheap popping and flailing around the ring like they just escaped the old folks Home. Heyman whining and pandering to Conway popsand disaffection. 4. WWF mid carders are the present and future of ECW, until McMahon can make a time Machine and also make them ECW's past as well. Failed mid card flops with no ECW history (Testicles, Mordegay, et cetera) as top heels. Green botch monsters (Mike Knox, Sylvester Turkey, et cetera) as the future stars. Of course the upper mid carders without political pull (Angle, Big Slow, Van Dam) as the main eventers (though we all know RVD will not be main eventing after a month). 5. No long term marketing or planning. Let's have a pay per view and a few house shows and hope everything turns out okay. No compelling campaign to interest new or existing fans in it. NO set goals or long term vision of where everything in going, just toss crap at a wall and hope it sticks. I got plenty more, but I want to give everybody else a chance. I'd be inclined to agree, you bring up some very valid points there mroberts21. The one thing that really stood out was Vince saying "he's going to cater to the Sci-Fi audience". Man, if that's not something to not look forward to I don't know what is. You can't just tack on the ECW banner on something and expect the old ECW fans to follow it mindlessly. That's why they booed Rey last year, just cause you were in ECW, and now part of WWE doesn't mean you can do you WWE mannerisms there. That's why Jericho wasn't referred to as "Y2J" and was called "Lionheart". To be honest I'd rather see Flair vs. Funk one more time, than Foley/Funk any day of the week. RVD is going to get screwed over again somehow before it's all said and done, if he wins, it's a Dusty Finish for certain and if he loses (and looks likely) then the new ECW starts off on the wrong foot. MRobert21, The Whole f***ing Show Part Deaux, has to disagree on the Flair / Funk one. I saw their Year long first feud 17 years ago that produced 1 good match and it it ain't worth it. Neither guy should ever wrestle again. I never thought of creating a wrestling brand for Sci - Fi fans who hate wrestling and not the small, vocal, die hard ECW fans who have been buying everything ECW related since the company went out of business. That is why McMahon is such a genius (end of sarcasm). If RVD gets screwed any harder , they will strike oil. Really, at this point it is just silly, either put him over or as Triple H once said "let my people go." The way they are doing new ECW, they should have just changed Ohio Valley's name and taken it national. They think by attaching the ECW name to a project they automatically get all the brand recognition. They ignore that they also get the duties and responsibilities of living up to the standard the original set, a high standard a great talent like Rey Mysterio could not live up to last year. With their current program, not only will the new ECW be a loss as a brand, but they will devalue the entire concept to the point where the tape library and intellectual property of the original loses all its value as well.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 3, 2006 10:36:22 GMT -5
I'd be inclined to agree, you bring up some very valid points there mroberts21. The one thing that really stood out was Vince saying "he's going to cater to the Sci-Fi audience". Man, if that's not something to not look forward to I don't know what is. You can't just tack on the ECW banner on something and expect the old ECW fans to follow it mindlessly. That's why they booed Rey last year, just cause you were in ECW, and now part of WWE doesn't mean you can do you WWE mannerisms there. That's why Jericho wasn't referred to as "Y2J" and was called "Lionheart". To be honest I'd rather see Flair vs. Funk one more time, than Foley/Funk any day of the week. RVD is going to get screwed over again somehow before it's all said and done, if he wins, it's a Dusty Finish for certain and if he loses (and looks likely) then the new ECW starts off on the wrong foot. MRobert21, The Whole luving Show Part Deaux, has to disagree on the Flair / Funk one. I saw their Year long first feud 17 years ago that produced 1 good match and it it ain't worth it. Neither guy should ever wrestle again. I never thought of creating a wrestling brand for Sci - Fi fans who hate wrestling and not the small, vocal, die hard ECW fans who have been buying everything ECW related since the company went out of business. That is why McMahon is such a genius (end of sarcasm). If RVD gets screwed any harder , they will strike oil. Really, at this point it is just silly, either put him over or as Triple H once said "let my people go." The way they are doing new ECW, they should have just changed Ohio Valley's name and taken it national. They think by attaching the ECW name to a project they automatically get all the brand recognition. They ignore that they also get the duties and responsibilities of living up to the standard the original set, a high standard a great talent like Rey Mysterio could not live up to last year. With their current program, not only will the new ECW be a loss as a brand, but they will devalue the entire concept to the point where the tape library and intellectual property of the original loses all its value as well. That's quite alright, I don't mind disagreeing with you, as your points more often than not are well constructed. As for Flair/Funk, maybe I'm thinking of the same match you are, as I thought the match from the GAB 1989 was better than the "I Quit" match on the Flair DVD. He made it seem like the Sci-Fi fans are more important than the ECW fans, in that interview. Which probably means Captain Pricard from Star Trek will maineventing the ECW shows before long. I'll watch the ECW PPV off a friend or something, but I'm not ordering this year as mentioned the feeling of nostalgia is gone I think. Even though he's not got a prayer, I think RVD/Cena will be a better match to watch than Rey/Sabu. I know it sounds weird, but I don't see the match being anything but a spotfest with a botch here or there if they aren't careful.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 3, 2006 11:12:09 GMT -5
Cena has put on some pretty good brawls in the past, most notably with JBL. Him and RVD should have a watchable garbage match with lots of plunder, wherein both take a huge beating to the delight of the crowd. It'll be more for the possible reactions than anything. Funk/Dreamer versus Foley/Edge ... uh, I don't care. Rey/Sabu ... ditto. Why are they wrestling? Anyways, I'm going to have to see a full card before I make a decision. If the Eliminators and Sandman show up, I'll probably go the sports bar route and see it for the price of a few drinks. Cena / JBL had good brawls. What alternate reality was this in? Their 2 star anti classic at Wrestlemania 21 made Hart versus Yokozuna look like Guerrero versus Angle. Their program sucked so bad they had to move Cena to Raw Sorry, I wasn't clear. By 'brawls' I meant garbage matches with lots of plunder and blood. They weren't classics, but they were fun to watch. Much like seeing Angle throw Shane through plate glass is fun, in a train wreck sort of way.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 13:36:52 GMT -5
MRobert21, The Whole luving Show Part Deaux, has to disagree on the Flair / Funk one. I saw their Year long first feud 17 years ago that produced 1 good match and it it ain't worth it. Neither guy should ever wrestle again. I never thought of creating a wrestling brand for Sci - Fi fans who hate wrestling and not the small, vocal, die hard ECW fans who have been buying everything ECW related since the company went out of business. That is why McMahon is such a genius (end of sarcasm). If RVD gets screwed any harder , they will strike oil. Really, at this point it is just silly, either put him over or as Triple H once said "let my people go." The way they are doing new ECW, they should have just changed Ohio Valley's name and taken it national. They think by attaching the ECW name to a project they automatically get all the brand recognition. They ignore that they also get the duties and responsibilities of living up to the standard the original set, a high standard a great talent like Rey Mysterio could not live up to last year. With their current program, not only will the new ECW be a loss as a brand, but they will devalue the entire concept to the point where the tape library and intellectual property of the original loses all its value as well. That's quite alright, I don't mind disagreeing with you, as your points more often than not are well constructed. As for Flair/Funk, maybe I'm thinking of the same match you are, as I thought the match from the GAB 1989 was better than the "I Quit" match on the Flair DVD. He made it seem like the Sci-Fi fans are more important than the ECW fans, in that interview. Which probably means Captain Pricard from Star Trek will maineventing the ECW shows before long. I'll watch the ECW PPV off a friend or something, but I'm not ordering this year as mentioned the feeling of nostalgia is gone I think. Even though he's not got a prayer, I think RVD/Cena will be a better match to watch than Rey/Sabu. I know it sounds weird, but I don't see the match being anything but a spotfest with a botch here or there if they aren't careful. I forgot about Funk / Flair from that Great American Bash. The fact it was so not memorable does not support your argument. The Clash Of The Champions match was the 1 I was talking about, despite it not having blood because of Turner being anal. In general, their feud was a huge failure because Funk accidentally broke Flair's neck for real (tables used to be really hard) and there was never a sense that Funk would go over Flair. The thing about the Sci Fi channel is people keep talking about cross overs with cool science fiction cross overs with popular franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek. The Sci Fi channel has no rights to those, so all we will get are cross overs with their unoriginal original crap. Forget Jean Luc showing up, we are only going to get fake bitch Starbuck, Beau "rip off Jack O'Neill" Bridges, and a cast on anonymous limeys. I think New Breed 2006 is in the cards with Dusty Rhodes showing up as the president. RVD / Cena will definitely beat Rey / Sabu in quality just because RVD and Cena are not broken down and washed up like Sabu and Rey. I read Heyman on Smackdown promised to rechristen 1 or both of the WWF titles the ECW World title (having 2 ECW world titles makes no sense, but that never stopped WWF before), which means neither title will change hands. Angle versus Shane was not fun because it should not be that hard for Angle to beat a non wrestler and because the violence reached the sickening level where it became uncomfortable to watch. Cena has no imagination with weapons and his weapons matches have sucked like his JBL I Quit match where he won just by holding up a steel pipe and not using it.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 3, 2006 14:29:48 GMT -5
I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson in ECW, if they're doing crossovers.
But we'll see some loser from the new Battlestar or that awful Stargate: Atlantis spinoff.
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 15:13:12 GMT -5
I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson in ECW, if they're doing crossovers. But we'll see some loser from the new Battlestar or that awful Stargate: Atlantis spinoff. I want Richard Dean Anderson in ECW only if he gets in there with New Jack and gets Eric Kulased. That dick Anderson, ruined Stargete because it was too much trouble for him to go to Vancouver to film the show. He was lucky to have work since it took him a decade after McGyver ended to find work. At least moron Michael Shanks realized he was a loser after 1 year away from the show and came crawling back. Preacking to the f***ing choir on Atlantis and fake Battlestar. How do you make a spin off of a show by taking 2 minor part time characters from the original and saying you are stars now (kind of like new ECW)? David Hewlett = Adrew "Test" Martin and Torri Higginson = Kevin "Mordecai" Fertig. What is that crap Battlestar without the greatest heel of the last century, John Colicos?
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Post by Magneto on Jun 3, 2006 18:27:02 GMT -5
RVD and Cena outwork Rey Mysterio? Is this some kind of inside joke or what?
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 19:15:26 GMT -5
RVD and Cena outwork Rey Mysterio? Is this some kind of inside joke or what? More like RVD can out work Mysterio and Cena can out work Sabu. There are many factors that go into working and these are the top 5 that favor RVD / Cena. DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NO WAN AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE POO POO MONSTER SUPERMAN CENA !!!!! 1. Health: Cena and RVD are healthy. Sabu is lamots crippled and Rey needs emergency surgery. .2. Familiarity: Cena and RVD are probably already planning every second of their match. They have been in the ring together recently. Sabu and Rey were last in the same building at the same time 11 years ago. 3. Storyline: Cena and RVD have a reason to wrestle for fans to get into. Sabu and Rey are just filler. 4. Complimentary styles: RVD goes extreme and Cena says poo poo, different, but complimentary styles. Rey and Sabu are the same botchy style, only Sabu is more nuts. Both Rey and Sabu need bigger guys to work with who they can sell and bump for. 5. Desire: This is RVD's last chance to be a main eventer and is Cena's only chance to win over hardcore fans who hate him. This is the dream RVD had 2 years ago when he plugged One Night Stand to McMahon, it is RVD's Wrestlemania moment. Rey half assed it last year when healthy and now just does not want to get more hurt. Sabu has just been there to pick up a paycheck since 1995.
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Jun 3, 2006 20:03:14 GMT -5
My list of potential opponents for Kurt Angle after his 4-sided, 6-sided or 8-sided ring challenge...
1) Sylvester Turkay (or however you spell it)...a MMA/amateur wrestler guy I believe who's been training to wrestle and supposedly has a history with Angle. 2) Daniel Puder...everyone knows his history w/ Angle and the fact Heyman liked the kid. 3) Random WWE Wrestler 4) Brock Lesnar...probably not with Lesnar possibly trying MMA but it would be a killer way to bring him back 5) CM Punk...Heyman loves the guy and what a way to debut on national TV...and the crowd would likely know who he is 6) Random TNA wrestler...perhaps someone's ready to jump?
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 20:28:56 GMT -5
My list of potential opponents for Kurt Angle after his 4-sided, 6-sided or 8-sided ring challenge... 1) Sylvester Turkay (or however you spell it)...a MMA/amateur wrestler guy I believe who's been training to wrestle and supposedly has a history with Angle. 2) Daniel Puder...everyone knows his history w/ Angle and the fact Heyman liked the kid. 3) Random WWE Wrestler 4) Brock Lesnar...probably not with Lesnar possibly trying MMA but it would be a killer way to bring him back 5) CM Punk...Heyman loves the guy and what a way to debut on national TV...and the crowd would likely know who he is 6) Random TNA wrestler...perhaps someone's ready to jump? Wrong, but thanks for playing.. Puder - Is totally an MMA guy now. Big heat with Vince for taking Angle in the shoot and killing no talent Miz's push. Was not well liked by the wrestlers either for being an alleged brown nose. Also not well known to an ECW crowd. Turkey (I call them like I see them) - Really raw wrestler who is not ready for pay per view. No identification to ECW fans. More of a potential long term opponent for angle. Lesnar - Will never wrestle professionally in this country ever again. Is also training now for pure MMA because the Japanese wrestling Industry is on its ass. Has huge heat with all wrestlers and management (makes Mike Awesome look like Ricky Steamboat). Had a chance to come back and turned it down, which McMahon neither forgives nor forgets. Punk - Needs proper build up for intro. Not ready to work Angle. Is a long term star for the company not a 1 shot guy. Here are my top 5 random guesses. Pure conjecture - no facts 1. Jeff Hardy - 6 sided ring and has talked to McMahon recently. Would get tons of ECW heel heat. Could do it as 1 shot and turn it into more if sober and healthy. I just do not know when his TNA contract ends. 2. Rhyno - Man beast Heyman loves. Has worked Angle extensively. 6 sided TNA guy who was there last year. Would have to get out of his TNA deal a month early though. 3. Homicide - Another 6 sided TNA guy. Known to fans in the northeast. Said to be targetted for new ECW. Could use the rub, but might still have TNA contract. 4. Akebono - Did business with McMahon before and Ace is homo for him. Has done shoot fighting and wrestling. Would get massive ECW heel heat. Okay for 1 shot. 5. Teddy Hart - Totally out of left field, but met with WWF officials in Chicago at Wrestlemania. Is a TNA guy from the past and is known in the northeast. Could be a try out to see if he can behave as a favor to Teddy's cousin Harry Smith. If Teddy behaves he gets a contract, if he goes into business for himself Angle cripples him. Who am I kidding. It will just be ECW icon Scotty Too Hotty.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 3, 2006 21:24:57 GMT -5
RVD and Cena outwork Rey Mysterio? Is this some kind of inside joke or what? More like RVD can out work Mysterio and Cena can out work Sabu. There are many factors that go into working and these are the top 5 that favor RVD / Cena. DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NO WAN AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE POO POO MONSTER SUPERMAN CENA !!!!! 1. Health: Cena and RVD are healthy. Sabu is lamots crippled and Rey needs emergency surgery. .2. Familiarity: Cena and RVD are probably already planning every second of their match. They have been in the ring together recently. Sabu and Rey were last in the same building at the same time 11 years ago. 3. Storyline: Cena and RVD have a reason to wrestle for fans to get into. Sabu and Rey are just filler. 4. Complimentary styles: RVD goes extreme and Cena says poo poo, different, but complimentary styles. Rey and Sabu are the same botchy style, only Sabu is more nuts. Both Rey and Sabu need bigger guys to work with who they can sell and bump for. 5. Desire: This is RVD's last chance to be a main eventer and is Cena's only chance to win over hardcore fans who hate him. This is the dream RVD had 2 years ago when he plugged One Night Stand to McMahon, it is RVD's Wrestlemania moment. Rey half assed it last year when healthy and now just does not want to get more hurt. Sabu has just been there to pick up a paycheck since 1995. Well written, and I know to some it sounds weird saying that RVD/Cena will be a better match than Rey/Sabu, but that's how it looks to be. RVD and Cena have faced each other before on Smackdown a few times in 2004, so they're not strangers to one another. One would think, they took the I-C title off of RVD to give him the WWE title, I thought that way once it was the week before Unforgiven 2002 and HHH cost RVD the I-C title against Y2J 6 days before the PPV. However, RVD not only lost that match on Raw, he'd lose to Triple-H at the PPV and wouldn't get another one on one title shot for god knows how long. Rey/Sabu looks like it'll be painful to watch, as Sabu isn't what he used to be and Rey is battling through a knee injury from what I understand. Then again I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And as mroberts put it so well, they really don't have a reason to face each other for the World Title and makes the guys (Khali,Henry) who've wiped the floor with Rey look like crap. As for Flair/Funk, I preferred that match as it ended with a pinfall, I'm not really fond of certain stipulated matches such as "I Quit".
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 3, 2006 22:01:06 GMT -5
More like RVD can out work Mysterio and Cena can out work Sabu. There are many factors that go into working and these are the top 5 that favor RVD / Cena. DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NO WAN AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE POO POO MONSTER SUPERMAN CENA !!!!! 1. Health: Cena and RVD are healthy. Sabu is lamots crippled and Rey needs emergency surgery. .2. Familiarity: Cena and RVD are probably already planning every second of their match. They have been in the ring together recently. Sabu and Rey were last in the same building at the same time 11 years ago. 3. Storyline: Cena and RVD have a reason to wrestle for fans to get into. Sabu and Rey are just filler. 4. Complimentary styles: RVD goes extreme and Cena says poo poo, different, but complimentary styles. Rey and Sabu are the same botchy style, only Sabu is more nuts. Both Rey and Sabu need bigger guys to work with who they can sell and bump for. 5. Desire: This is RVD's last chance to be a main eventer and is Cena's only chance to win over hardcore fans who hate him. This is the dream RVD had 2 years ago when he plugged One Night Stand to McMahon, it is RVD's Wrestlemania moment. Rey half assed it last year when healthy and now just does not want to get more hurt. Sabu has just been there to pick up a paycheck since 1995. Well written, and I know to some it sounds weird saying that RVD/Cena will be a better match than Rey/Sabu, but that's how it looks to be. RVD and Cena have faced each other before on Smackdown a few times in 2004, so they're not strangers to one another. One would think, they took the I-C title off of RVD to give him the WWE title, I thought that way once it was the week before Unforgiven 2002 and HHH cost RVD the I-C title against Y2J 6 days before the PPV. However, RVD not only lost that match on Raw, he'd lose to Triple-H at the PPV and wouldn't get another one on one title shot for god knows how long. Rey/Sabu looks like it'll be painful to watch, as Sabu isn't what he used to be and Rey is battling through a knee injury from what I understand. Then again I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And as mroberts put it so well, they really don't have a reason to face each other for the World Title and makes the guys (Khali,Henry) who've wiped the floor with Rey look like crap. As for Flair/Funk, I preferred that match as it ended with a pinfall, I'm not really fond of certain stipulated matches such as "I Quit". Another magnificent post my dear friend. I do not think Funk / Flair I Quit was a great match, just the best one from that disappointing program. The lack of blood, Funk's lack of a credible submission finisher (he was using the pile driver and sleeper then), non title status of the match, and hot shot Funk face turn after the match ruined it. I admit fully to not having seen the match of which you speak in 16 years, so your match may be better. Excellent point about RVD working Cena on Smackdown in 2003 - 2004. People think if you just toss 2 great wrestlers into a ring together it is automatically a classic match. I think back to Michaels / Hennig, RVD / Jericho, Hart / Sting, and others where they tossed 2 great wrestlers into a ring (greater wrestlers than Rey or Sabu) and they did not click for all the reasons I mentioned. Then you look at Warrior / Savage, Nash / Hart, Hogan / Anybody, that look like crap on paper, but become classics. If RVD were going to lose the Intercontinental title to win the World title, he would have jobbed it the week before he did in the 4 way dance. Benjamin pins Masters as he is jobbed to steroidville, Intercontinental title is off of RVD without him losing heat. It works better into RVD being pro - ECW because the next week RVD can come out and point out if it was an ECW 4 way dance (like Pitbull 2 / Scorpio / Douglas / Jericho) he would not have lost the title without being pinned because WWF screwed him. YJC, you and I have seen enough of this stuff unlike these rookies on this board to know the difference between a heat killing job and a simple title switch before a bigger push and the Triple H example is spot on. I am a dry hole right now on Rey / Sabu. YJC, between you and me I think we have just torn the thing apart as much as possible. It is just plain dumb. Sabu is a hard talent to book any time and Rey is just no place right now.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 3, 2006 22:16:49 GMT -5
I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson in ECW, if they're doing crossovers. But we'll see some loser from the new Battlestar or that awful Stargate: Atlantis spinoff. I want Richard Dean Anderson in ECW only if he gets in there with New Jack and gets Eric Kulased. That dick Anderson, ruined Stargete because it was too much trouble for him to go to Vancouver to film the show. He was lucky to have work since it took him a decade after McGyver ended to find work. At least moron Michael Shanks realized he was a loser after 1 year away from the show and came crawling back. Preacking to the luving choir on Atlantis and fake Battlestar. How do you make a spin off of a show by taking 2 minor part time characters from the original and saying you are stars now (kind of like new ECW)? David Hewlett = Adrew "Test" Martin and Torri Higginson = Kevin "Mordecai" Fertig. What is that crap Battlestar without the greatest heel of the last century, John Colicos? Yeah, Stargate sucks without Anderson. All we have is the blonde girl and the freakin' alien with a taste for mascera. I haven't watched it since they had the whole 'New Replicator' angle (heh, I like how I'm treating it like a wrestling storyline). I stopped watching Battlestar when I realized that they took out what pretty much made the original for me - killer robots. Instead you have people that are actually robots, but are just human actors. Whoopee.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 3, 2006 22:18:22 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, the lack of buildup for this match leaves me with nothing else to say about it. I'll have more to say next week after SD and the day of the PPV.
Another match that I want to get into, is Tazz vs. Lawler. This match (if you want to call it that) wasn't even that great in 2000 when Tazz was in ring shape and I don't see it lasting no more than a minute or two tops.
I hope they have some matches that are ECW wrestlers vs. ECW wrestlers, because the whole InVasion of ECW by WWE superstars has been played out for years.
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