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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Jul 10, 2010 4:12:37 GMT -5
Hogan had a lot of good matches in his career, spanning many different companies/countries, so as much as I'm sure it pains people here to admit it, you can say Hogan carried Warrior at WM 6. It's OK to say it. You won't lose your smark card if you do. Or I guess you can always credit Pat Patterson and discredit both Hulk and Warrior simultaneously. Nice. I always find the Warrior hate amusing. He had good matches with Rude, Savage, and Hogan. Where were Jim Duggan's 5-star matches with Rude and Savage? Where were Dibiase's great/memorable matches with Hogan and Savage? Hogan worked with EVERYONE in the 80's and 90's, and yet one of his best and highest drawing matches was with a guy who "couldn't work". Savage worked with everyone, and yet still today people look back on WM 7 as one of his best matches.....again, against a guy who "couldn't work". Please explain that. Guys like Dibiase get all the praise yet don't have anywhere near the amount of memorable matches that Warrior does. It's a joke. I... I love you I've said before, and I'll say it again - He's far mor entertaining than Bret "Human Feces" Hart
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Jul 10, 2010 6:16:44 GMT -5
I think he wasnt an amazing worker in the way that a Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle or a Shawn Michaels is a great worker. He wasnt going to put on a 5 star clinic.
But he did "Sports Entertainment" brilliantly. He had the crowd engrossed in everything he did, and at the end of the day, the guys who are remembered are the guys who put asses in seats. Talk about over, he was OVER.
And his promos are AWESOME.
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Post by repomanfan on Jul 10, 2010 14:30:39 GMT -5
Good worker, probably not. Memorable character who had charisma and was able to get over: yes sir. Isn't that what wrestling is about anyway? People don't pay attention to the technical details---that's for internet dorks. People care about visual presentation, and how the person/wrestler product makes them feel. The technical wrestlers are great, but there's a reason, why people, to this day remember Warrior. Do you think anybody would be talking about Flair, and all the great matches he had with Steamboat and Sting, if he wasn't the charismatic, kiss stealing, wheeling dealing son of a gun----absolutely not.
Warrior had a short run----88 to 92---- and to this day, his name, along with Hogan and Flair, is the one that pops into peoples minds, when the word, wrestling is mentioned. Love him or hate him---he had an impact that far exceeds, guys like Triple H and Batista.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Jul 10, 2010 14:34:34 GMT -5
Pat Patterson spent months laying out the Warrior-Hogan match and rehearsing it with them. No way he doesn't deserve FULL credit for that match.
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Post by repomanfan on Jul 10, 2010 14:41:19 GMT -5
I think he wasnt an amazing worker in the way that a Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle or a Shawn Michaels is a great worker. He wasnt going to put on a 5 star clinic. But he did "Sports Entertainment" brilliantly. He had the crowd engrossed in everything he did, and at the end of the day, the guys who are remembered are the guys who put asses in seats. Talk about over, he was OVER. And his promos are AWESOME. He was one of the most "OVER" performers in the history of the business. I don't think any wrestler had such a huge impact in such a short period of time. He put assess in the seats and that's all that matters. His job wasn't to be a professor or an astronaut--- so all that talk about scientific technical ability goes out the window. His job was to entertain the fans, protect his fellow wrestlers from injury, and that's that.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jul 10, 2010 16:37:06 GMT -5
Pat Patterson spent months laying out the Warrior-Hogan match and rehearsing it with them. No way he doesn't deserve FULL credit for that match. That's true. But Patterson was the guy who came up with the finishes to all the matches and probably a lot of the spots and pace as well. He did this for everyone. Doesn't take anything away from Hogan or Warrior, just shows that they could take direction well, unlike some people who are highly rated in terms of ability(Flair). He also came up with most of the Rock's catchphrases, but we don't give him all the credit for his success.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jul 10, 2010 16:41:43 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan said it best: " if you're not in it for the money, you're in for the wrong reasons." But because UW was supposedly only in for the money, we bash him. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jul 10, 2010 17:11:47 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan said it best: " if you're not in it for the money, you're in for the wrong reasons." But because UW was supposedly only in for the money, we bash him. Just doesn't make sense to me. I don't bash him because he was only in it for the money. I bash him because, in my opinion, he was lousy. I didn't like his ring work or his interviews. That was enough, and then years later I found out about his attitude, which certainly did him no favors. But even putting that aside, as it has no bearing on his work from a fan's perspective, I just don't like the guy and don't find him very entertaining.
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Post by dizzy on Jul 11, 2010 3:39:31 GMT -5
But because UW was supposedly only in for the money, we bash him. Just doesn't make sense to me. I'll tell you what doesn't make sense to me: this illusion (delusion) that Warrior was only in it for the money. If that were true, why didn't he just bend over and allow himself to be screwed? Why didn't he just follow orders instead of standing up for himself? Why didn't he stay in the ring or return a lot more often than he has? Like it (or believe it) or not, Warrior has undoubtedly turned down HUGE amounts of money to return, simply because he believed it wasn't the right thing for him or his Warrior persona. When McMahon tried to prevent his WCW run by making a huge financial offer in '98, Warrior turned it down because he didn't want to work for McMahon again at that time, despite the money. Warrior could still be working today under a multimillion dollar contract for McMahon if he wanted to be. He could have been all along, if he had just "gone with the flow" (rather than marched to his own drum) and made the WWF his life as so many wrestlers have. They become road agents, commentators, backstage promo announcers, etc. But Warrior, in legitimate fashion, got on with his life and is now happy on his own, away from the fame, spotlight, and MONEY of pro wrestling. So someone please explain to me how Warrior was always in it for the money. People who do it for the money (like Hogan) come back a million times in boring, predictable matches, do all sorts of ads for the company, sign 20 year deals to be involved in DVD projects as interviewees, hall of fame presenters, bookers, backstage mentors, etc. Warrior hasn't done any of this. He didn't milk the business dry beyond his time in the ring. So explain to me how he's in it for the money? And for the record, just because when he was wrestling, Warrior expected to be paid what his name was worth DOES NOT mean he was only in it for the money. It just means he understood how valuable his character had become and expected to be paid damn well for that. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that. That was enough, and then years later I found out about his attitude, which certainly did him no favors. I just don't like the guy And what do you know about his attitude? Do you know him personally? Oh right, you watched that crappy, biased, and outrageously fabricated DVD that WWE released that doesn't reflect the true nature and impact of Warrior's career in the slightest. That's the problem with those WWE DVDs, they present revisionist history by using a bunch of cronies (in this case, Slaughter, Dibiase, Heenan, etc) who will repeat all the crap that McMahon composes. Funny, I've watched so many shoot interviews and radio interviews (with wrestlers who aren't under contract to McMahon, and hence, can actually speak the truth), and a lot of guys liked and respected Warrior. Guys like Bill Eadie, Barry Darsow, Bad News Brown, and Randy Savage all said they liked the Ultimate Warrior. Even Hogan on that nonsensical WWE produced DVD stated that he liked Jim Hellwig, and during the WCW segment, he stated "there was value there, and we all liked Jim tremendously." All of those people interviewed on the "Self Destruction" DVD were blatantly handpicked by McMahon. People who were synched to the same BS stories. People who McMahon could puppet into smearing Warrior. Bottom line: If you believe any of that hog$hit on that obviously burial-intended "Self Destruction" DVD, then you live in a fantasy world that's more wild and woolly than Parts Unknown.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 11, 2010 7:09:29 GMT -5
He stunk. I never enjoyed any match that clod was ever in.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 11, 2010 7:41:25 GMT -5
Talk in another topic about Survivor Series '90 led to me firing it up as I went to bed last night. Warrior's stuff in his match was pretty bad. He was in there with Ax and just running around blindly. Ax is having to try like hell to throw something that resembles a clothesline or elbow in Warrior's general vicinity so they don't both look like idiots. Kind of reminded me of why I feel the way I feel about the guy. I remember that. That was Warrior making Ax look like a fool by not letting him touch him, not a mistake
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Post by mrjl on Jul 11, 2010 7:48:13 GMT -5
But because UW was supposedly only in for the money, we bash him. Just doesn't make sense to me. I'll tell you what doesn't make sense to me: this illusion (delusion) that Warrior was only in it for the money. If that were true, why didn't he just bend over and allow himself to be screwed? Why didn't he just follow orders instead of standing up for himself? Why didn't he stay in the ring or return a lot more often than he has? Like it (or believe it) or not, Warrior has undoubtedly turned down HUGE amounts of money to return, simply because he believed it wasn't the right thing for him or his Warrior persona. When McMahon tried to prevent his WCW run by making a huge financial offer in '98, Warrior turned it down because he didn't want to work for McMahon again at that time, despite the money. Warrior could still be working today under a multimillion dollar contract for McMahon if he wanted to be. He could have been all along, if he had just "gone with the flow" (rather than marched to his own drum) and made the WWF his life as so many wrestlers have. They become road agents, commentators, backstage promo announcers, etc. But Warrior, in legitimate fashion, got on with his life and is now happy on his own, away from the fame, spotlight, and MONEY of pro wrestling. So someone please explain to me how Warrior was always in it for the money. People who do it for the money (like Hogan) come back a million times in boring, predictable matches, do all sorts of ads for the company, sign 20 year deals to be involved in DVD projects as interviewees, hall of fame presenters, bookers, backstage mentors, etc. Warrior hasn't done any of this. He didn't milk the business dry beyond his time in the ring. So explain to me how he's in it for the money? And for the record, just because when he was wrestling, Warrior expected to be paid what his name was worth DOES NOT mean he was only in it for the money. It just means he understood how valuable his character had become and expected to be paid damn well for that. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that. That was enough, and then years later I found out about his attitude, which certainly did him no favors. I just don't like the guy And what do you know about his attitude? Do you know him personally? Oh right, you watched that crappy, biased, and outrageously fabricated DVD that WWE released that doesn't reflect the true nature and impact of Warrior's career in the slightest. That's the problem with those WWE DVDs, they present revisionist history by using a bunch of cronies (in this case, Slaughter, Dibiase, Heenan, etc) who will repeat all the crap that McMahon composes. Funny, I've watched so many shoot interviews and radio interviews (with wrestlers who aren't under contract to McMahon, and hence, can actually speak the truth), and a lot of guys liked and respected Warrior. Guys like Bill Eadie, Barry Darsow, Bad News Brown, and Randy Savage all said they liked the Ultimate Warrior. Even Hogan on that nonsensical WWE produced DVD stated that he liked Jim Hellwig, and during the WCW segment, he stated "there was value there, and we all liked Jim tremendously." All of those people interviewed on the "Self Destruction" DVD were blatantly handpicked by McMahon. People who were synched to the same BS stories. People who McMahon could puppet into smearing Warrior. Bottom line: If you believe any of that hog$hit on that obviously burial-intended "Self Destruction" DVD, then you live in a fantasy world that's more wild and woolly than Parts Unknown. Some people might dislike comments like "queering don't make the world work." Which has abslutely nothing to do with the WWE DVD. And going with the flow can actually damage your money making abilities. It's entirely possible Warrior realized that. That allowing his character to be treated a certain way would lower him in the eyes of the fans, make him an earlier on the card guy and decrease his value.
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Post by repomanfan on Jul 11, 2010 8:06:48 GMT -5
I'll tell you what doesn't make sense to me: this illusion (delusion) that Warrior was only in it for the money. If that were true, why didn't he just bend over and allow himself to be screwed? Why didn't he just follow orders instead of standing up for himself? Why didn't he stay in the ring or return a lot more often than he has? Like it (or believe it) or not, Warrior has undoubtedly turned down HUGE amounts of money to return, simply because he believed it wasn't the right thing for him or his Warrior persona. When McMahon tried to prevent his WCW run by making a huge financial offer in '98, Warrior turned it down because he didn't want to work for McMahon again at that time, despite the money. Warrior could still be working today under a multimillion dollar contract for McMahon if he wanted to be. He could have been all along, if he had just "gone with the flow" (rather than marched to his own drum) and made the WWF his life as so many wrestlers have. They become road agents, commentators, backstage promo announcers, etc. But Warrior, in legitimate fashion, got on with his life and is now happy on his own, away from the fame, spotlight, and MONEY of pro wrestling. So someone please explain to me how Warrior was always in it for the money. People who do it for the money (like Hogan) come back a million times in boring, predictable matches, do all sorts of ads for the company, sign 20 year deals to be involved in DVD projects as interviewees, hall of fame presenters, bookers, backstage mentors, etc. Warrior hasn't done any of this. He didn't milk the business dry beyond his time in the ring. So explain to me how he's in it for the money? And for the record, just because when he was wrestling, Warrior expected to be paid what his name was worth DOES NOT mean he was only in it for the money. It just means he understood how valuable his character had become and expected to be paid damn well for that. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that. And what do you know about his attitude? Do you know him personally? Oh right, you watched that crappy, biased, and outrageously fabricated DVD that WWE released that doesn't reflect the true nature and impact of Warrior's career in the slightest. That's the problem with those WWE DVDs, they present revisionist history by using a bunch of cronies (in this case, Slaughter, Dibiase, Heenan, etc) who will repeat all the crap that McMahon composes. Funny, I've watched so many shoot interviews and radio interviews (with wrestlers who aren't under contract to McMahon, and hence, can actually speak the truth), and a lot of guys liked and respected Warrior. Guys like Bill Eadie, Barry Darsow, Bad News Brown, and Randy Savage all said they liked the Ultimate Warrior. Even Hogan on that nonsensical WWE produced DVD stated that he liked Jim Hellwig, and during the WCW segment, he stated "there was value there, and we all liked Jim tremendously." All of those people interviewed on the "Self Destruction" DVD were blatantly handpicked by McMahon. People who were synched to the same BS stories. People who McMahon could puppet into smearing Warrior. Bottom line: If you believe any of that hog$hit on that obviously burial-intended "Self Destruction" DVD, then you live in a fantasy world that's more wild and woolly than Parts Unknown. Some people might dislike comments like "queering don't make the world work." Which has abslutely nothing to do with the WWE DVD. And going with the flow can actually damage your money making abilities. It's entirely possible Warrior realized that. That allowing his character to be treated a certain way would lower him in the eyes of the fans, make him an earlier on the card guy and decrease his value. How does "queering" make the world work? I would like to know that?
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Post by darthpipes on Jul 11, 2010 8:57:26 GMT -5
Not himself a good worker, but he could be led with the right guy (as mentioned, Rude, Savage, Ted) and took instruction well (Pat Patterson pretty much laid the WM6 match out spot for spot and it was rehearsed fully, which is more than can be said for a lot of guys. The acid test of that is the Halloween Havoc match, in which Hogan and Warrior without Patterson's oversight managed to put on arguably the worst rematch in history and a candidate for worst main event ever. I still would maintain that the fact he would be unpredictable and stiff with guys was reckless, and whereas he could be led better than some guys, those guys are rarely known for being potentially dangerous in ring. His skills were poor and he could be reckless in the ring. Ask Bobby Heenan and Ric Flair about the latter. With the right opponent, he could be pretty good. Warrior had three terrific matches in his career. Summerlam 89 with Rick Rude, Wrestlemania 6 with Hulk Hogan, and Wrestlemania 7 with Randy Savage. So he was capable of wrestling a good match, especially with the right opponent. Warrior and Savage had some freaky chemistry together. I've seen four matches with them (I saw another one at an arena show when I was a kid but I don't remember it too well) and three out of the four of them were excellent. So he was capable of a good match. That might have had to do with the opponent though. I'm not really a great judge of that.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jul 11, 2010 12:33:55 GMT -5
And what do you know about his attitude? Do you know him personally? Oh right, you watched that crappy, biased, and outrageously fabricated DVD that WWE released that doesn't reflect the true nature and impact of Warrior's career in the slightest. That's the problem with those WWE DVDs, they present revisionist history by using a bunch of cronies (in this case, Slaughter, Dibiase, Heenan, etc) who will repeat all the crap that McMahon composes. Please. I was hearing things about his poor attitude before that dvd ever came about. And I love how you seem to be sure that the likes of Slaughter, Dibiase, and Heenan are incapable of having a negative opinion of Warrior on their own. No, they have to be cronies who will do whatever Vince tells them to do. I'll also quote Harley Race in one of his rare moments of opening up about another wrestler: "He's the only guy I remember working with who was dumber in the ring than Hogan."
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Post by dizzy on Jul 11, 2010 14:27:29 GMT -5
And going with the flow can actually damage your money making abilities. It's entirely possible Warrior realized that. That allowing his character to be treated a certain way would lower him in the eyes of the fans, make him an earlier on the card guy and decrease his value. Regardless, he still would've made more money as a mid-carder than he did sitting at home from 1991-92, 1992-96, 1996-98, and 1998-present. All those sabbaticals didn't earn him any wrestling money (one or two independent shows notwithstanding). And when I say "go with the flow", I didn't entirely mean the wrestling storylines. I meant incidents like 1996 when the WWF was violating his contract. Instead of allowing them to do it (and thus, continuing with the WWF and making money with them), he stood up and filed a lawsuit against them. Of course, that ridiculous WWE DVD presents it as "Jim missed several dates and he was fired". They don't mention that Warrior had every right by his contract to miss those dates since the McMahons had violated the terms of his contract. Please. I was hearing things about his poor attitude before that dvd ever came about. Yeah, by a bunch of guys who never knew him personally. As Booby Hennan himself said, "Warrior dressed alone, traveled alone...". Heenan unwittingly contradicted himself. If Warrior was always a loner, how was anyone ever able to form those opinions on him? You didn't pay close enough attention to what I said. I said Vince deliberately handpicked guys that he knew would go along with his plans of burying the Ultimate Warrior, which is blatantly obvious. I've said it elsewhere, a lot of is bred by jealousy. Warrior ascended to the WWF throne very quickly, breezing past guys who had worked longer and harder than he had. That didn't sit well with the rank and file, and it shows to this day. His actual in-ring work has nothing to do with the discussion of what he was like personally. I actually never denied that he wasn't a great worker. Overall, I find it hilarious that people will listen to (and believe) what anyone has to say about Ultimate Warrior -- except for Warrior himself! Nobody's ever bothered to listen to his side of the story, be it his website, Q&A, or his shoot interview. I've done all of the above, and believe me, despite the fact that he can be long-winded and hot-headed, Warrior's side of the story is well-founded, intelligent, and ultimately more logical than anything that's ever been said against him. But since the WWF has more resources to proliferate their negativity, their side of the story is the one that is told and remembered -- and accepted as fact.
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Post by brutuscheesecake on Jul 11, 2010 14:49:06 GMT -5
I like Harley Race...but if Harley Race randomly came out on RAW this monday you would be able to hear a pin drop. If the Warrior ran out, the place would explode. A lot of the pro wrestling lifers are upset at Warrior because he was a true phenom. Came out of nowhere with no wrestling experience and attained dizzying heights very quickly. Race and others of his ilk (namely Dibiase) were and still are jealous of Warrior.
Warrior, within the restrictions of his character, was PERFECT. Because even if Jim Hellwig was the greatest wrestler ever, The Ultimate Warrior was a power brawler had a limited arsenal, but a dull as dirt Lou Thesz match would make no sense for him.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Jul 11, 2010 15:16:02 GMT -5
How does "queering" make the world work? I would like to know that? If you believe that people have to be able to naturally reproduce to make the world work, then "queering" doesn't make the world work. Of course, that also means straight couples who can't give birth also don't make the world work. It's a pretty stupid thing to say.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jul 11, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
You didn't pay close enough attention to what I said. I said Vince deliberately handpicked guys that he knew would go along with his plans of burying the Ultimate Warrior, which is blatantly obvious. I guess what I paid attention to was this: a bunch of cronies (in this case, Slaughter, Dibiase, Heenan, etc) who will repeat all the crap that McMahon composes. This sounds as though you're saying McMahon came up with it and they repeated it, no different from a scripted promo on Raw. I also paid attention to this: People who McMahon could puppet into smearing Warrior. This sounds as if you're saying they couldn't possibly have those opinions on their own, which is one hell of an assumption. The odds are, at best, 50/50, and it's totally believable that they gave their real opinion on the guy. Bottom line: If you believe any of that hog$hit on that obviously burial-intended "Self Destruction" DVD, then you live in a fantasy world that's more wild and woolly than Parts Unknown. Burial-intended, absolutely. That much is obvious. But to dismiss every single thing on it as "hogshit" simply because it was intended as a burial, or because you like the guy is a bit of a fantasy world in and of itself. Yeah, by a bunch of guys who never knew him personally. As Booby Hennan himself said, "Warrior dressed alone, traveled alone...". Heenan unwittingly contradicted himself. If Warrior was always a loner, how was anyone ever able to form those opinions on him? If only those who, by your criteria, knew him personally are fit to comment, we may as well lock this thing up because no one here knew him personally. I've worked with people that I didn't know personally, didn't have lunch with, didn't carpool with, but I saw enough of them within the workplace environment to see that they were people I didn't like. You don't have to spend every moment with someone to get a good idea of their personality and whether or not you like them. I've said it elsewhere, a lot of is bred by jealousy. Warrior ascended to the WWF throne very quickly, breezing past guys who had worked longer and harder than he had. That didn't sit well with the rank and file, and it shows to this day. He ascended very quickly, true. But he apparently couldn't hang on to it for very long. And every time he came back, it seemed to mean less and less. His actual in-ring work has nothing to do with the discussion of what he was like personally. I actually never denied that he wasn't a great worker. Okay, but it has everything to do with the original point of this whole discussion. Overall, I find it hilarious that people will listen to (and believe) what anyone has to say about Ultimate Warrior -- except for Warrior himself! Pretty much anyone will give you the best picture of himself. But setting that aside, I'd be happy to give the guy a clear chance but every time I try, it seems he can't speak for more than five minutes without middle-school fat jokes, saying that it was karma that someone had cancer because they had told a few jokes, "queering don't make the world work," and all the other ridiculous shit he spouted at that college appearance (not talking politics, just basic person-to-person stuff). At this point, the evidence from outside sources as well as himself leads me to think he's an egotistical prick. I like Harley Race...but if Harley Race randomly came out on RAW this monday you would be able to hear a pin drop. If the Warrior ran out, the place would explode. I don't know that I'd go so far as to say the place would explode. Would he get a better response than Race? Sure. There are still some people in the current average WWE audience who remember the guy, and most of them have never seen anything from Harley's career. And of course, even though he's obviously gotten older, Warrior would still have a more dynamic appearance than Harley. But a lot of the people who used to explode for Warrior back in the day aren't in the audience anymore. He hasn't been on TV since that disastrous run in WCW, and the impact of each of his comebacks seemed to be less than the one before it. That was before he'd been gone from TV for years. A lot of the pro wrestling lifers are upset at Warrior because he was a true phenom. Came out of nowhere with no wrestling experience and attained dizzying heights very quickly. Race and others of his ilk (namely Dibiase) were and still are jealous of Warrior. I've noticed, in daily life as well as entertainment, that people are always quick to say, "It's jealousy" whenever someone doesn't like someone. Obviously it's going to be true in some instances, but no where near as often as people say it. More on point to this specific discussion, I doubt jealousy plays as big a part as people want to think. How long was Harley Race at the top of the business, especially compared to how brief Warrior's run was? And yes, I know: the stage was bigger for Warrior, more TV, PPV, etc. But Warrior was on top, what, 2 years? Three? Compared to a decade for Race. Warrior, within the restrictions of his character, was PERFECT. Because even if Jim Hellwig was the greatest wrestler ever, The Ultimate Warrior was a power brawler had a limited arsenal, but a dull as dirt Lou Thesz match would make no sense While I'll agree that he played the role perfectly, I don't think that was very hard to do. And for my personal entertainment, I'll take that "dull as dirt" Lou Thesz match every time. Thesz-Rikidozan or even Thesz in his '70s vs Chono had more redeeming qualities for me.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 11, 2010 16:20:21 GMT -5
No. He was very limited in terms of his actual movesets and ways that matches could play out, and most people would consider him as boring as D-Mac matchwise if he was starting now.
What did he have going for him that made him so big?
As much as Hogan, he was the personification of 80sness. The huge muscles, the screaming promos, the loud colors...if ever there was a man memorable as a record of a specific moment in time, it was Warrior. But that doesn't change the fact that his actual matches weren't very good.
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