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Post by smoot on May 19, 2010 14:25:40 GMT -5
Anyone else think
would make a pretty good T-Shirt slogan?
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Post by Kash Flagg on May 19, 2010 14:27:23 GMT -5
the fact that was your 69th post made that even funnier smoot.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on May 19, 2010 14:46:04 GMT -5
I just love that Warrior said if it weren't for guys like him, DiBiase would never have worked a main event match...when DiBiase main evented house shows and even freaking Wrestlemania IV while Warrior was still working second or third from the bottom with Hercules.
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Post by FrankGotch on May 19, 2010 14:46:51 GMT -5
Not really, the guy has been relevant with most wrestling fans since 1988. Most fans might not like what hes saying, but they obviously pay attention to him. I would argue that it's only a good part of the internet fans who pay attention to him. There are plenty of fans today who don't even know who the guy is. A good part of internet wrestling fans are more then enough to keep a guy relevant. On top of that its hard to argue that people weren't excited for pretty much all of his come backs. Anyway you slice it Warrior is much more then a flash in the pan. Magnum TA as much as I love him was a flash in the pan Warrior is just a polarizing figure who had a 10 year on again off again relationship with the wrestling public. However every time it was on again he was over and near the top of the card.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 19, 2010 14:51:13 GMT -5
Well, I saw what cancer does up close and personal at a very early age. So while I may wish some form of misfortune on someone from time to time (as I believe we all do), I don't wish that.
I don't know Dibiase on any kind of personal level. He may be the greatest guy around or the biggest piece of shit and I wouldn't know the difference. I'm not saying he isn't open to criticism.
But, as I said, for Warrior to talk about someone lacking honor and integrity, or to call someone a hypocrite, is laughable at best. It makes me think of something I read about Sid Vicious (the Sex Pistol, not the wrestler) putting someone down because they were a junkie.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 19, 2010 14:55:02 GMT -5
I just love that Warrior said if it weren't for guys like him, DiBiase would never have worked a main event match...when DiBiase main evented house shows and even freaking Wrestlemania IV while Warrior was still working second or third from the bottom with Hercules. Which is true. Don't leave out that Warrior mentioned himself, Hogan and Savage in this category of "guys who wouldn't work" (you'll argue about Savage, but Savage liked to plot his matches second for second, so purists argue he wasn't a great worker). So Ted main evented house shows against Hogan and Mania 4 against.......Savage. There seems to be more DiBiase love on this board than I can fathom would exist. Don't get me wrong, I liked his character and his in ring work is fine, but, yeah, I don't get the insane love he gets for his mediocre run.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 19, 2010 15:00:47 GMT -5
But let's not forget that Dibiase was a main event player in Mid-South and was basically the odd man out in a 3 way race for the NWA title.
Whereas without Vince's hype machine, Dingo Warrior was wrestling George Wells in Dallas and got sent out of Memphis.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on May 19, 2010 15:13:40 GMT -5
Does Warrior like anyone? Believe it or not Warrior, and RVD seem to be good friends. Well of course RVD would side with Warrior in this battle or words. He still has it in for DiBiase for making him kiss Ted's feet all those years ago on Superstars...
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on May 19, 2010 15:21:31 GMT -5
I just love that Warrior said if it weren't for guys like him, DiBiase would never have worked a main event match...when DiBiase main evented house shows and even freaking Wrestlemania IV while Warrior was still working second or third from the bottom with Hercules. Which is true. Don't leave out that Warrior mentioned himself, Hogan and Savage in this category of "guys who wouldn't work" (you'll argue about Savage, but Savage liked to plot his matches second for second, so purists argue he wasn't a great worker). So Ted main evented house shows against Hogan and Mania 4 against.......Savage. There seems to be more DiBiase love on this board than I can fathom would exist. Don't get me wrong, I liked his character and his in ring work is fine, but, yeah, I don't get the insane love he gets for his mediocre run. Well, the recent Warrior love on this board has me similarly scratching my head, but to each his own. It's not so much about being a DiBiase fan as it is Warrior saying some things that are just downright silly. Granted, DiBiase was out of line in many ways by saying he was glad that Warrior wasn't inducted into the Hall of Fame, but hey, Warrior was out of line saying Heenan deserved cancer. Maybe their mutual wrongness will cancel out the hate.
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Post by FrankGotch on May 19, 2010 15:22:59 GMT -5
Believe it or not Warrior, and RVD seem to be good friends. Well of course RVD would side with Warrior in this battle or words. He still has it in for DiBiase for making him kiss Ted's feet all those years ago on Superstars... Wow I forgot about that. Looks like things do come full circle. Seriously though if you haven't seen them yet go look for the videos of RVD and Warrior hanging out on youtube. They're kinda like a jack up totally insane version of Bill and Ted.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 19, 2010 15:28:27 GMT -5
Which is true. Don't leave out that Warrior mentioned himself, Hogan and Savage in this category of "guys who wouldn't work" (you'll argue about Savage, but Savage liked to plot his matches second for second, so purists argue he wasn't a great worker). So Ted main evented house shows against Hogan and Mania 4 against.......Savage. There seems to be more DiBiase love on this board than I can fathom would exist. Don't get me wrong, I liked his character and his in ring work is fine, but, yeah, I don't get the insane love he gets for his mediocre run. Well, the recent Warrior love on this board has me similarly scratching my head, but to each his own. It's not so much about being a DiBiase fan as it is Warrior saying some things that are just downright silly. Granted, DiBiase was out of line in many ways by saying he was glad that Warrior wasn't inducted into the Hall of Fame, but hey, Warrior was out of line saying Heenan deserved cancer. Maybe their mutual wrongness will cancel out the hate. I never read the Heenan thing before and it's out of line, however, that doesn't invalidate what the Warrior says now.
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Post by Victory on May 19, 2010 15:55:54 GMT -5
Good post by Warrior IMO. I don't agree with everything he said or has said in the past, but he will always be a bigger star than Dibiase in my eyes. I lost respect for Dibiase a long time ago.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on May 19, 2010 17:10:31 GMT -5
Knowing the DiBiase family and how they present themselves as what they're not, I can't say that Warrior is off base with this rant. It's a slimy family that uses religion as their scam (and this is not coming from an atheist, but someone who has strong religious faith). I don't care for a lot of what Warrior says, but, in his mind at least, he's being honest. Ask Papa Ted about his thieving son Mike, ask Ted to explain the handling of the finances of his "ministry". Ask Ted about hypocrisy, and how, as someone who claims to be a "warrior for Christ" he accepts a job from someone who turned mocking God into an angle. Ask him, and he'll give you nothing but spin stories. I was a fan of The Million Dollar Man, but as for being a fan of the man portraying him...not so much. And Warrior was right about something else, Ted never was the reason I bought a ticket. Neither was Warrior or even Hogan, but I did pay to see Savage tear the house down. Warrior, as insane as he may come across, makes some very valid points if you're willing to take them in their proper context and install Babelfish for Warrior Rant/English. could someone explain this finances thing to me? What did they do?
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on May 19, 2010 17:12:22 GMT -5
Ah man he was just living teh Million Dollar Man Lifestyle. Raaar.
Gluttony/ cottage cheese thighs
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Post by wrestlegamer on May 19, 2010 17:30:54 GMT -5
Does Warrior like anyone? I remember reading in Martha Hart's book that Warrior and Owen Hart were pretty close.
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Post by joeskvorecky on May 19, 2010 17:35:04 GMT -5
He says DiBiase "gargles with Krispy Kreme." WTF?
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Post by joeskvorecky on May 19, 2010 17:43:51 GMT -5
Alright, so I just read the whole entire thing: a lot of it, the beginning stuff, is worthless. All the shit about how fat DiBiase is and always has been does nothing for anyone.
But there's a point where he talks about the business, and what he owes to the WWE, and what the WWE owes him, and how good he was for the company and how good they were for him -- and that portion of his machete is excellent.
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Post by shadowangel on May 19, 2010 17:52:26 GMT -5
but hey, Warrior was out of line saying Heenan deserved cancer. Warrior only said "karma's a bitch" and i think that's about right. Heenan may be the "god of the IWC" but to be honest, what's so special about Heenan? He wasn't a good commentator (it worked with Monsoon, but else? Watch him in WCW and he was just a bad commentator, didn't work with any of the commentators there, he was just bad) Heenan is the most overrated thing when it comes to the IWC and he talked shit about every big star, be it warrior, hogan or anyone and i say it's just jealousy, because Heenan is unknown outside of the wrestling world....warrior, hogan, those are the big names. Heenan is nothing. Same with Ted. Ted DiBiase was a great wrestler and i always liked him, i even bought his wrestling figures, he was a heel, but i liked him, he was a great wrestler, but he never had the potential to be a big star. Warrior was a big star and he deserved it. The comments from Ted about how he was glad that Warrior was not introduced into the phoniest of all wrestling hall of fames were just pure jealousy and nothing more. At least Warrior is a wrestler with some integrity, he doesn't sell out to the McMahon Empire, he goes his own way. Ted DiBiase did sell-out and it is a shame, yeah, he may got a introduce to a wortless "hall of fame" and maybe got a ring, but what is that really worth? People today,non-wrestling fans know who Ultimate Warrior was but don't know anything about Ted DiBiase
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Post by diegorivera on May 19, 2010 18:29:44 GMT -5
Warrior saying anything about DiBiase is, at best, crap telling vomit it stinks. I laugh at those saying Warrior is anywhere near the level of Hogan as a celebrity. Hogan is to wrestling what Superman is to comic books and superheroes; iconic. People who have never watched a wrestling match in their lives have some idea of who Hulk Hogan is. Jim Hellwig is an unknown by comparison, at best being known as a rambling, hateful maniac who is a frequent, deserving target of mockery and scorn. Was he a bigger star in his prime than DiBiase? Maybe... Apples and oranges really; both were stars for rubbing elbows with Hogan more than anything either did on their own. I know reality is something you avoid Jimmy, but you were no star of your own power. Vince's super push, the fact that you were groomed as the air apparent to Hogan's place on top for a year and he put you over got you there. You failed miserably on top though...
I also laugh at those putting down the WWE Hall of Fame. A fake hall? It's a fake sport! It's perfect! What other Hall of Fame is there? That stuff Meltzer or Sammartino do? Nobody gives a damn about that and you all know it. I'm sure DiBiase is so ashamed of "selling out," to Vince when he sees the Warrior being mocked on the net. "SKRONK! Fear my DESTRUCITY Millon Dollar Man!" I'm supposed to like this guy because he left of his own accord, (despite returning on more than one occasion and having some interest in being inducted into the "fake" Hall of Fame at one point.) He'd be back more often, but no one wants him! After the disaster of his WCW return, Warrior is ratings poison, which is a lot more than you can say about DiBiase.
If Dibiase is scum, than Warriors no better. If Warrior is just rambling about nothing, (as we all know he's apt to do,) than he's all the worse for trying to grind this axe. GTFB2/b/ Jim.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 19, 2010 18:29:51 GMT -5
Warrior only said "karma's a bitch" and i think that's about right. So some jokes on a dvd = cancer? Good thing I don't buy into the karma thing, then. Heenan may be the "god of the IWC" but to be honest, what's so special about Heenan? He wasn't a good commentator (it worked with Monsoon, but else? Watch him in WCW and he was just a bad commentator, didn't work with any of the commentators there, he was just bad) Well, that's a matter of opinion. I think he did some good stuff in WCW, especially considering he was stuck working with Tony, who by this point didn't care anymore. Heenan is the most overrated thing when it comes to the IWC and he talked s*** about every big star, be it warrior, hogan or anyone and i say it's just jealousy, because Heenan is unknown outside of the wrestling world....warrior, hogan, those are the big names. Heenan is nothing. I have never seen one "shoot" comment from Heenan about Hogan that was anything but positive. Hogan wrote the forward for one of Heenan's books. Heenan has always praised Hogan, whether in his books or shoot interviews (one of which was with Jim Cornette, who *does* seem to hate Hogan. So I'm not sure where you got that from. Aside from Warrior, the only guys I've heard Heenan say anything bad about was Bischoff, Russo, and Jimmy Valiant. So I'm not sure who all these "big stars" Heenan has talked shit about are supposed to be. As far as jealousy, I highly doubt it. If you think people outside of wrestling fans (or former fans) know who the Ultimate Warrior is, things must be different where you live. Heenan worked main events for decades, and apparently was smart with his money. Despite the health problems, he seems to be doing fine. Same with Ted. Ted DiBiase was a great wrestler and i always liked him, i even bought his wrestling figures, he was a heel, but i liked him, he was a great wrestler, but he never had the potential to be a big star. Warrior was a big star and he deserved it. Well, whether he deserved it or not is also a matter of opinion. I would argue that they could have got any bodybuilder with long hair to play the role and it would have turned out the same. Maybe even without some of the headaches that came later. The comments from Ted about how he was glad that Warrior was not introduced into the phoniest of all wrestling hall of fames were just pure jealousy and nothing more. At least Warrior is a wrestler with some integrity, he doesn't sell out to the McMahon Empire, he goes his own way. I've already given my opinion on his integrity, and as of yet have no reason to change my mind. As far as not selling out to McMahon, neither has Bruno Sammartino and most people just call him a bitter old man. Ted DiBiase did sell-out and it is a shame, yeah, he may got a introduce to a wortless "hall of fame" and maybe got a ring, but what is that really worth? People today,non-wrestling fans know who Ultimate Warrior was but don't know anything about Ted DiBiase Again, I have to assume it's a geographical thing, because I've never met a non-wrestling fan who had a clue who Warrior is.
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