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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 21, 2010 13:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by ireekofawesomeness on May 22, 2010 6:31:12 GMT -5
love him or hate him the warrior is spot on in terms of the business...first of all, i personally didnt find dibiase to be that great of a worker...sure he was ok but i felt he was better on the mic than in the ring...and i guess it depends on how u view the "sport/business" of pro wrestling, but financially the bottom line is WHO DRAWS MONEY, and for ANYONE to say that warrior was not 1000x the draw dibiase was on his best day either has a personal vendetta against him or is mentally retarded
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Post by mrjl on May 22, 2010 7:46:40 GMT -5
time to invite Warrior back. Then find out what Ted Jr. can do in a shoot.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on May 22, 2010 8:53:11 GMT -5
I think that DiBiase deserved some sort of comeback after his comments about Warrior and the HOF, which were out of line. But in typical Warrior fashion, he had a couple of good points and took it too far.
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Post by casualobserver on May 22, 2010 21:36:47 GMT -5
I'll split the difference here. Wishing cancer on Heenan was out of line. Seriously, was Terrance and Phillip on when Warrior was typing up that rant? But I'll also say his rant against DiBiase (who, in all fairness, started it) can't be completely dismissed when you think about it.
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Post by Count Creepyhead on May 22, 2010 22:26:34 GMT -5
That last paragraph by Mr. Warrior is brilliant.
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Post by brutuscheesecake on May 22, 2010 23:09:42 GMT -5
I like Ted but he has badmouthed Warrior in the past...mainly because he feels UW doesn't respect the business like Ted does. Warrior was in it to make money and get out, for Ted it was a way of life. He's also probably jealous that Warrior rose to heights Dibiase could never dream of despite putting in what HE assumes to be less blood sweat and tears.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 23, 2010 1:14:32 GMT -5
I don't really disagree with him on this (although some things are a bit out of line) and often wonder if I'd react the same way if someone talked s*** about me (including his comments on Heenan). Yeah we'd all like to be a "turn the other cheek" kind of person, but when people go out of their way to bash you at every chance (Which Heenan did), I'm pretty sure I'd react the same way. I'm not saying it's right...but if you talk s*** on people, don't be shocked if they're not gonna wish the best for you. A lot of us have reacted the way Warrior has...he just gets that attention because he is famous. agreed. especially his take on people subsituting one set of addictions for another set. it's actually well thought out, just with a huge overtone of being pissed off.
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Post by diegorivera on May 23, 2010 8:18:13 GMT -5
Bret Hart has torn into Warrior in much the same way DiBiase did, both in interviews and in his book. Are we going to tear Bret down or try to say he wasn't that good a worker for the sake of this gibbering goof? No, of course not, because Hart is much more of a sacred cow to the IWC. How about some hate for Christian's blatantly insulting impression of the Warrior on the Self Destruction DVD. Where's his hate? This Warrior apologia is out of hand. DiBiase spelled it out in his response; lots of guys in the business, many of them quite respectable, think very little of the Warrior. It's not just the guys like DiBiase.
End of the day he was a flash in the pan. A huge flash, to be sure, but when it was over, he never got anywhere near that point ever again. I'd love to see how much ego fellating Jimmy would do over "getting out of the business on his own terms," if he had a longer run on top and wasn't so despised by almost anyone who worked with or around him...
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Post by brutuscheesecake on May 23, 2010 10:11:47 GMT -5
Everybody in the wrestling business is a little bit crazy. Warrior has his own brand of crazy, and so does Ted. Back in the day Dibiase did plenty of drugs, screwed plenty of hookers, and spent his days rolling around a wrestling ring with other men in his underwear for people's amusement....that's not exactly normal. Bret is no angel either and plenty crazy himself...
Warrior at this point seems like the bigger person, for all his ramblings he's living comfortably out of the limelight with his wife and two kids and doesn't need to rely on the wrestling business for anything. Right not he's a hell of a lot less pathetic than the Flairs and Hitmans of the world.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on May 23, 2010 11:08:33 GMT -5
Again, I just want to preface this by saying he has been way out of line making personal remarks about wrestlers, but I do agree with him strongly on his views of the business. Alot of guys tear into him, but for what reason? It usually comes down to a couple things. Under the pretense that because he didn't respect the business and only cared about the money he didn't deserve his spot and on and on. First of all he achieved something which at the time, a handful of people had done and that is win the WWF title. The only person whose opinion really matters in the company, Vince Mcmahon, must have though he was pretty special and supremely over to do that. The other people who matter are the fans, and at the time, he was over enoug to earn a top spot. Who cares what Dibiase thought, or Hart thought, they're not the one's putting up the money to run the company and takng all the risks. Generally, the heel leads the match anyway, so yeah.
The business literally is a circus, in more ways than one, and those who standout and are flashier, not necessarily those who have the most ability, are going to have the most success.
And as far as payoffs, why would these people be in the business if not for the money? If that weren't important, and wrestlers stuck around when things got tough, than Bill Watts and Jim Crockett would be thriving today. A Wrestler should try to make as much money as they can, while they can, because your career can be over in an instant.
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Post by probable on May 23, 2010 12:50:10 GMT -5
Ted did not deserve a lot of the comments Warrior has put against him. At the end of the day Ted is an absolute legend in wrestling. A huge name, one of the biggest of all time. He's wrestled all over the world, had huge respect paid to him by Vince and Baba, man evented Wrestlemania etc. And Warrior i trying to paint him as some midcard workrate goon. f*** off.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on May 23, 2010 13:22:34 GMT -5
Bret Hart has torn into Warrior in much the same way DiBiase did, both in interviews and in his book. Are we going to tear Bret down or try to say he wasn't that good a worker for the sake of this gibbering goof? No, of course not, because Hart is much more of a sacred cow to the IWC. How about some hate for Christian's blatantly insulting impression of the Warrior on the Self Destruction DVD. Where's his hate? This Warrior apologia is out of hand. DiBiase spelled it out in his response; lots of guys in the business, many of them quite respectable, think very little of the Warrior. It's not just the guys like DiBiase. End of the day he was a flash in the pan. A huge flash, to be sure, but when it was over, he never got anywhere near that point ever again. I'd love to see how much ego fellating Jimmy would do over "getting out of the business on his own terms," if he had a longer run on top and wasn't so despised by almost anyone who worked with or around him... DiBiase is at least as much of a sacred cow* on this forum as Bret Hart, possibly more, and Warrior certainly doesn't get much love here. I don't think much if anything that's been said in this thread has been said "for Warrior's sake," I think people are looking past their personal likes/dislikes and looking at it objectively. I'd even venture a guess that some people who've said "Yeah, I get Warrior's point" had to grind their teeth as they posted, but I could be wrong. *Edit: There really aren't any sacred cows here either. It'd be hard to name a wrestler who isn't disliked by at least one person on this board.
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Post by Alex Shelley on May 23, 2010 15:07:56 GMT -5
And as far as payoffs, why would these people be in the business if not for the money? If that weren't important, and wrestlers stuck around when things got tough, than Bill Watts and Jim Crockett would be thriving today. A Wrestler should try to make as much money as they can, while they can, because your career can be over in an instant. Because they love it? Tommy Dreamer worked for Heyman for free when ECW was broke. The wrestling business is something that a lot of people simply love, and it's not about the money. The money is an extra bonus for many people.
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Post by Kash Flagg on May 23, 2010 19:00:47 GMT -5
Bret Hart has torn into Warrior in much the same way DiBiase did, both in interviews and in his book. Are we going to tear Bret down or try to say he wasn't that good a worker for the sake of this gibbering goof? No, of course not, because Hart is much more of a sacred cow to the IWC. How about some hate for Christian's blatantly insulting impression of the Warrior on the Self Destruction DVD. Where's his hate? This Warrior apologia is out of hand. DiBiase spelled it out in his response; lots of guys in the business, many of them quite respectable, think very little of the Warrior. It's not just the guys like DiBiase. End of the day he was a flash in the pan. A huge flash, to be sure, but when it was over, he never got anywhere near that point ever again. I'd love to see how much ego fellating Jimmy would do over "getting out of the business on his own terms," if he had a longer run on top and wasn't so despised by almost anyone who worked with or around him... DiBiase is at least as much of a sacred cow* on this forum as Bret Hart, possibly more, and Warrior certainly doesn't get much love here. I don't think much if anything that's been said in this thread has been said "for Warrior's sake," I think people are looking past their personal likes/dislikes and looking at it objectively. I'd even venture a guess that some people who've said "Yeah, I get Warrior's point" had to grind their teeth as they posted, but I could be wrong. *Edit: There really aren't any sacred cows here either. It'd be hard to name a wrestler who isn't disliked by at least one person on this board. Exactly. I told someone here that the funny thing is a LOT of posters here get as upset and post in much the same way as Warrior...with anger and immaturity. Not calling anyone immature, just an observation. I'm not a big warrior fan, but I'm trying to look at this objectively instead of just who said it. He made some good points, but the manner in which he presents it is very lacking in taste.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 23, 2010 19:06:50 GMT -5
Warrior really goes for too much a shock-jock style, he needs to learn to write in a more objective manner (which is sadly lacking in today's culture--Warrior is just our current culture dialed up to 11).
There's no way to get wrestling fans to side with Dibiase over Warrior, simply because Dibiase was much more a part of their lives via entertainment than Warrior was. It would be like if the lead singer of Linkin Park called Jim Morrison a "drug addict and a bad role model". He'd be right, but people would flame him anyway, because The Doors were more influential than Linkin Park could ever hope to be.
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Post by paulbearer on May 23, 2010 19:22:20 GMT -5
LOL , Taker would run him down with a motor cycle....that's why Warrior doesn't diss him
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 23, 2010 20:20:52 GMT -5
It's funny how the Warrior actually got one up on the business. Usually, guys lend their character to a company, the company uses them in whichever way they see fit, tell these guys they're a family and then release them when they have nothing for them. Warrior kinda flipped it on the WWF, where he used wrestling to make millions, start whatever business he has, and had no problem walking away from the wwf when he felt he wasn't getting paid what he felt his character or "brand" was worth. "Independant contractor" - and he worked them for all they were worth to him.
Ted was raised different, the business was his life and was a family business. He had a certain respect for the job, probably passed down from his mom and dad. Warrior saw it for what it was to him - a job in the pursuit to make the most money. I can see how they have a difference in opinion and thus a conflict over words.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 23, 2010 21:27:03 GMT -5
I think too many of these guys who hate on Warrior for not respecting the business need to get over themselves. Not everyone is born into it and grows up in it. To them it was life, to Warrior, a way to make money, and he was good at it in his prime. The sad fact about wrestling is that to me, theres a very fine line between passion for the business, and not knowing how to do anything else.
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Post by Nomad Soul on Oct 19, 2010 18:41:27 GMT -5
I wanted to have my say on this:
I don't buy at all that DiBiase is bitter at Warrior for his success or that he is jealous of it. Why? Because you'll never hear Ted say a bad word about Hogan.
Also, it is quite unfair, I think to compare Warrior "as a draw" to a pure heel like DiBiase.
How many people who paid to watch all those Savage/DiBiase matches in 88 were paying just to see DiBiase beat?
It's hard to say isn't it?
There's a Royal Rumble in which Warrior eliminates DiBiase for the loudest pop of the night. Is the pop FOR Warrior or AGAINST DiBiase? Or a combination of the two?
Just seems a bit silly to say "Warrior is a much bigger star than DiBiase", that's like saying "Well Batman is a much bigger star than The Joker or The Penguin".
But what would Batman be without them? Got to remember wrestling was about faces and heels in the 80s, action heroes and super villains. Warrior was an action hero, DiBiase was a super villain. How can you compare them?
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