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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 11, 2011 15:35:21 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up yet since I didn't read the whole thread, but a lot of people keep saying that the most offensive part was Tracy saying he would stab his son if he were gay. The problem is that he didn't say that. This is a word for word from the article posted. Morgan informed the audience “that the gays needed to quit being p—ies and not be whining about something as insignificant as bullying” and that “if his son that was gay he better come home and talk to him like a man…or he would pull out a knife and stab that little [n-----] to death.” Now there are a few ways you can interpret his words. The first would be that Morgan doesn't want his gay son coming home to him and whining about bullies. The second way could be that Morgan would stab his son if his son starts talking in the stereotypical "gay" voice. Anyway I'm sure there are a few more interpretations you could make, but I don't believe any of them are as straightforward and blatant as if my son were gay I'd stab him. The fact that he was talking/"joking" about stabbing his son for ANY reason is just the cherry on top of the "Tracy Morgan is a Piece of Garbage" sundae.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Jun 11, 2011 15:39:49 GMT -5
I'm not saying that what he's said is a joke or should be passed off as one. I'm saying that he's putting something out there to simply get a reaction and garner attention. In an educated society, we need to realize that and not play his game. The more reactionary we, the common public, are with stuff like this the more often edgier celebs are going to use it as a publicity tool. I don't think anybody is likely to adopt this kind of rhetoric as a "publicity tool". Espousing views like this has been career suicide. Mel Gibson is ruined. Isaiah Washington is ruined. Michael Richards is ruined. As a society, we must be reactionary to ignorant tirades like this because if we don't, we are allowing this kind of vitriol to be spread by some of the most entitled people in the world. Not only are they paid erroneous amounts of money, but they are also allowed to spread destructive ideas using a public forum? That doesn't sit well with me. I don't know how popular this guy was prior to all this hullabaloo, but I guarantee you his name has been thrown around in the news, on TV and on websites like facebook / twitter / and message forums since this thing started than it ever was before. People are curious as well. I'd never heard of the guy before this, never would have registered in my life if I'd not been forced to come read this thread. I, personally, don't enjoy comics / comedians other than Bill Cosby so this guy's work wouldn't draw me in, but there are people who are going to go google this guy, watch his youtubes and he may actually pick up a few fans, other people with like opinions. People out there who can pass this stuff off as a joke and laugh at it, people who applaud the man's right to free speech and those that abhor censorship. He's got people talking about him and sooner or later those people are going to come see him. He may have alienated the homosexual population, but he's picked up the homophobic people of the world as fans. He has, as have we all, the right to say whatever he wants to. No one is going to stop him. We have the right to ignore him and his opinions and he can't force us to listen to them. If you don't agree with his words, stop copying and pasting them, stop posting them to your twitter account, stop linking to him on your facebook. It's that simple. If other people don't spread the word in either agreement or disagreement, the word doesn't spread.
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Post by The Man on Jun 11, 2011 16:30:21 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up yet since I didn't read the whole thread, but a lot of people keep saying that the most offensive part was Tracy saying he would stab his son if he were gay. The problem is that he didn't say that. This is a word for word from the article posted. Morgan informed the audience “that the gays needed to quit being p—ies and not be whining about something as insignificant as bullying” and that “if his son that was gay he better come home and talk to him like a man…or he would pull out a knife and stab that little [n-----] to death.” Now there are a few ways you can interpret his words. The first would be that Morgan doesn't want his gay son coming home to him and whining about bullies. The second way could be that Morgan would stab his son if his son starts talking in the stereotypical "gay" voice. Anyway I'm sure there are a few more interpretations you could make, but I don't believe any of them are as straightforward and blatant as if my son were gay I'd stab him. The fact that he was talking/"joking" about stabbing his son for ANY reason is just the cherry on top of the "Tracy Morgan is a Piece of Garbage" sundae. That is stretching it a little far don't ya think? There have been many many comedians who joke about killing or maiming their loved ones. Heck one of Bill Cosby's most popular jokes was a story where he tells his son "I'm your father boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out."
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 11, 2011 16:49:02 GMT -5
The fact that he was talking/"joking" about stabbing his son for ANY reason is just the cherry on top of the "Tracy Morgan is a Piece of Garbage" sundae. That is stretching it a little far don't ya think? There have been many many comedians who joke about killing or maiming their loved ones. Heck one of Bill Cosby's most popular jokes was a story where he tells his son "I'm your father boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." I've been reading some people's reactions to this incident here and elsewhere online and it makes me wonder if people are generally unfamiliar with the material of a lot of working stand-up comedians these days. I'm really sort of surprised at people's astonishment at his remarks because I'm a huge comedy fan (and I do stand-up, myself) and I've heard much worse than this. I've heard all manner of sexist, racist, homophobic humour. Incredibly offensive humour is fairly common. People have every right to be outraged, but remember that this was a comedy bit that went awry. Remember the forum that this occurred inside of and that it was a piece of performance. Condemn his words, but don't condemn the man.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Jun 11, 2011 16:55:19 GMT -5
If it was a rant, then it was a horrible one.
If it was a joke, then it was a horrible one.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 11, 2011 17:41:40 GMT -5
Looks like Tina Fey has given him another chance. He's a lucky man.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jun 11, 2011 17:47:10 GMT -5
So, I take it none of you have ever seen a Frankie Boyle show then. That's just it though. As offensive and cruel as his jokes can be...they're actual jokes. You might not find him funny but his stuff has a punchline intended to make his audience laugh. It's well documented on panel shows and his autobiography that he doesn't care if you're gay or black or anything but that everything is fair game to be made fun of. What Tracey said was just stating a horribly outdated and offensive opinion and ranting about gays. Frankie has told many offensive jokes in his stand-up that have landed him in hot water...sometimes rightfully so. But it's actually comedy. Not utterly offensive ranting with the intention of getting a viewpoint across. The things Tracey Jordan said are inexcusable. He had the right to say them because he has the right to free speech. He also has the right to face the consequences of what he says.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 11, 2011 19:07:19 GMT -5
That is stretching it a little far don't ya think? There have been many many comedians who joke about killing or maiming their loved ones. Heck one of Bill Cosby's most popular jokes was a story where he tells his son "I'm your father boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." I've been reading some people's reactions to this incident here and elsewhere online and it makes me wonder if people are generally unfamiliar with the material of a lot of working stand-up comedians these days. I'm really sort of surprised at people's astonishment at his remarks because I'm a huge comedy fan (and I do stand-up, myself) and I've heard much worse than this. I've heard all manner of sexist, racist, homophobic humour. Incredibly offensive humour is fairly common. People have every right to be outraged, but remember that this was a comedy bit that went awry. Remember the forum that this occurred inside of and that it was a piece of performance. Condemn his words, but don't condemn the man. It was clear in Cosby's routine, and other comedians who did similar bits such as Bernie Mac, that they were jokes. Obviously, Bill Cosby obviously wasn't really threeatening his kid's life. From reports, Morgan's rantings weren't exactly comedic in nature and he may very well have meant that he'd stab his son over something he disagreed with. I saw Tracy Morgan in concert two years ago. I laughed my ass off. What he was doing that night was his routine and everything was obviously material. Again, the reports state this rant was clearly NOT a routine; he just went off stating his personal beliefs. If he just made a series of tasteless gay jokes, this wouldn't be such a huge issue. The fact that he wasn't joking is the problem people are having with him. And "condemn his words, but not the man"? What is a man if not his beliefs?
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jun 11, 2011 19:09:14 GMT -5
As it stands, we at least know he's guilty of terrible stand-up. I'm not much of a Lisa Lampanelli fan, but when she makes jokes about the LGBT community, you can tell it's tongue-in-cheek. Tracy's gay routines just sound angry. Lisa Lampanelli makes jokes about the LGBT community? This has got be wrong. Its well known in the bring back lawn darts community that she only makes jokes about BBC. And I don't mean the British broadcasters.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 11, 2011 20:09:37 GMT -5
I've been reading some people's reactions to this incident here and elsewhere online and it makes me wonder if people are generally unfamiliar with the material of a lot of working stand-up comedians these days. I'm really sort of surprised at people's astonishment at his remarks because I'm a huge comedy fan (and I do stand-up, myself) and I've heard much worse than this. I've heard all manner of sexist, racist, homophobic humour. Incredibly offensive humour is fairly common. People have every right to be outraged, but remember that this was a comedy bit that went awry. Remember the forum that this occurred inside of and that it was a piece of performance. Condemn his words, but don't condemn the man. It was clear in Cosby's routine, and other comedians who did similar bits such as Bernie Mac, that they were jokes. Obviously, Bill Cosby obviously wasn't really threeatening his kid's life. From reports, Morgan's rantings weren't exactly comedic in nature and he may very well have meant that he'd stab his son over something he disagreed with. I saw Tracy Morgan in concert two years ago. I laughed my ass off. What he was doing that night was his routine and everything was obviously material. Again, the reports state this rant was clearly NOT a routine; he just went off stating his personal beliefs. If he just made a series of tasteless gay jokes, this wouldn't be such a huge issue. The fact that he wasn't joking is the problem people are having with him. And "condemn his words, but not the man"? What is a man if not his beliefs? You seem convinced that Morgan wasn't speaking in jest. How can you discern that for sure? He was performing a routine when the comments were said. From everything I read about the show, at no point did he indicate that he was no longer performing and speaking from the heart. Asserting that he clearly was not riffing was one man's interpretation. When I go see a comic, I'm watching a performance. Tracy Morgan, the entertainer is not Tracy Morgan, the person. What he did the other night was bomb and make a number of offensive jokes that were hurtful. If he could take them back, I'm sure he would and he's indicated that he's remorseful. He'll now have to deal with the repercussions, personally and professionally.
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Post by MCMGM on Jun 11, 2011 20:21:14 GMT -5
Koda89,I'd say the first one does it.You think he said those things for his health?I'm soo not a homophobe,I have gay friends and I'm pro-gay marriage..and to be honest I knew this would come up here,because if there's anything I've learned from being on these forums for the past few years,it's that the only thing nobody can joke about is "the gay community?!?!?..",but everything else is okie dokie.Kinda annoying. That's unfortunate that people being hurt by what he said is "annoying" to you. I'm just going to leave it at that. Being a bi-sexual black female from the "ghetto", I have to say there is no excuse for this. You can be raised a certain way or grow up in a bigoted place, but once you hit adulthood you make your own choices. I'm a big fan of his, so it sucks that he thinks like this. But I'm not surprised sadly.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jun 11, 2011 20:44:16 GMT -5
The fact that he was talking/"joking" about stabbing his son for ANY reason is just the cherry on top of the "Tracy Morgan is a Piece of Garbage" sundae. That is stretching it a little far don't ya think? There have been many many comedians who joke about killing or maiming their loved ones. Heck one of Bill Cosby's most popular jokes was a story where he tells his son "I'm your father boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." The difference is how graphic the language is. Saying "I'll take you out of the world" is one thing, saying you're going to "stab the n-word to death" is completely different.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 11, 2011 20:46:59 GMT -5
That is stretching it a little far don't ya think? There have been many many comedians who joke about killing or maiming their loved ones. Heck one of Bill Cosby's most popular jokes was a story where he tells his son "I'm your father boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." The difference is how graphic the language is. Saying "I'll take you out of the world" is one thing, saying you're going to "stab the n-word to death" is completely different. Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind who you're dealing with. Bill Cosby never worked blue. All Tracy Morgan does is work blue.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Jun 11, 2011 20:49:09 GMT -5
The difference is how graphic the language is. Saying "I'll take you out of the world" is one thing, saying you're going to "stab the n-word to death" is completely different. Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind who you're dealing with. Bill Cosby never worked blue. All Tracy Morgan does is work blue. There's a huge difference in the generations both are dealing with as well. Half of the stuff people do today would be so completely uncalled for in the time when Bill was relevant. What comedians do today with all the raunchy jokes and foul language would never have gotten them anywhere in Cosby's era.
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Post by The Man on Jun 11, 2011 21:24:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind who you're dealing with. Bill Cosby never worked blue. All Tracy Morgan does is work blue. There's a huge difference in the generations both are dealing with as well. Half of the stuff people do today would be so completely uncalled for in the time when Bill was relevant. What comedians do today with all the raunchy jokes and foul language would never have gotten them anywhere in Cosby's era. I don't know Richard Pryor, and Lenny Bruce seemed to do OK for themselves.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Jun 11, 2011 21:26:04 GMT -5
There's a huge difference in the generations both are dealing with as well. Half of the stuff people do today would be so completely uncalled for in the time when Bill was relevant. What comedians do today with all the raunchy jokes and foul language would never have gotten them anywhere in Cosby's era. I don't know Richard Pryor, and Lenny Bruce seemed to do OK for themselves. Richard Pryor isn't that old.. is he ? was he I mean. I thought he and Eddie Murphy came along after Cos had his hayday
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 11, 2011 21:30:54 GMT -5
Pryor and Cosby were definitely contemporaries. Cosby began about a year before Pryor, and is only 2 years older than Pryor was. Lenny Bruce was about a decade before them.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 11, 2011 21:32:26 GMT -5
I don't know Richard Pryor, and Lenny Bruce seemed to do OK for themselves. Richard Pryor isn't that old.. is he ? was he I mean. I thought he and Eddie Murphy came along after Cos had his hayday Nope. Pryor was one of Eddie Murphy's inspirations, if I recall correctly. Cosby was bigger than him, but he was a big deal in the 70s. Hell, Pryor actually was inspired by Cosby, until he went his own way and started working blue.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Jun 11, 2011 21:46:42 GMT -5
Never heard of Lenny Bruce, but did Wiki check both Pryor and Cosby and it seems that most of Cosby's stuff is about a decade sooner than Pryor's.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 11, 2011 21:55:12 GMT -5
Never heard of Lenny Bruce, but did Wiki check both Pryor and Cosby and it seems that most of Cosby's stuff is about a decade sooner than Pryor's. Yeah, Cosby started early and was a groundbreaker in the kind of stardom a comedian could achieve, and probably the first superstar of comedy. Pryor and Carlin of course inspired many, but Cosby laid a lot of groundwork, too. Lenny Bruce was never a huge star, but he was a groundbreaker in what a comedian could do, and what kind of protection a comedian could enjoy from oppressive obscenity laws. Make no mistake, they hounded the guy, and you could almost say he was martyred for the freedom of expression for performers of any ilk, not just comedians.
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