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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 12, 2011 12:07:18 GMT -5
I don't know how popular this guy was prior to all this hullabaloo, but I guarantee you his name has been thrown around in the news, on TV and on websites like facebook / twitter / and message forums since this thing started than it ever was before. Well yes, but are you trying to construe this as "any publicity is good publicity"? If so, I again refer you to the aforementioned actors who, since having made their views public, have suffered terribly with their careers. Yes, over the weekend Tracy Morgan became a house-hold name, but it will soon fade fast and, with his co-workers not coming to his rescue, he too may fade off into obscurity like the rest of them. Again, I refer you to the aforementioned actors. Why did the homophones not come to the aid of Isaiah Washington? Why did the racists not come to the aid of Michael Richards? I don't think homophobes latch onto any celebrity who has the gall to make a public statement denigrating gay people. He'll have notoriety for the next week and then we'll see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised if he was removed from 30 Rock due to pressures placed on NBC by viewers. I'll assume you're writing "you" as a collective term because I most certainly have not reproduced his quotes on any social networking site (probably because I don't have any profiles on any). Yes, he has the right to say what he wants to say but that goes without saying; the point is that this is a 'celebrated' person who is paid erroneous amounts of money to pretend to be someone else and he should damn well know better than to use that public platform to espouse hateful, destructive rhetoric. If this was your average Joe talking about this in his home, obviously nobody would care but this is Tracy Morgan, a celebrity who is on a popular TV show and is representing not only himself, but his crew, his television company, his employers etc. all of whom probably want nothing to do with him anymore and rightfully so.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 12, 2011 12:13:19 GMT -5
Actually, being a complete f***ing jerkoff can sometimes be a great career move. Look what it did for Charlie Sheen recently.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 12, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -5
Actually, being a complete f***ing jerkoff can sometimes be a great career move. Look what it did for Charlie Sheen recently. True that, although he didn't really do anything objectively wrong. He's seen as a party monster, something that - for whatever reason - people seem to praise.
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Post by Legion on Jun 12, 2011 12:23:11 GMT -5
So, I take it none of you have ever seen a Frankie Boyle show then. That's just it though. As offensive and cruel as his jokes can be...they're actual jokes. You might not find him funny but his stuff has a punchline intended to make his audience laugh. It's well documented on panel shows and his autobiography that he doesn't care if you're gay or black or anything but that everything is fair game to be made fun of. What Tracey said was just stating a horribly outdated and offensive opinion and ranting about gays. Frankie has told many offensive jokes in his stand-up that have landed him in hot water...sometimes rightfully so. But it's actually comedy. Not utterly offensive ranting with the intention of getting a viewpoint across. The things Tracey Jordan said are inexcusable. He had the right to say them because he has the right to free speech. He also has the right to face the consequences of what he says. And of course, with Frankie, had he heard the comments being cheered, he woould happily have turned around and heckled the people doing that. Jordan, it appears, just went on a rant about hating gays and the idea that his son could be one was so disgusting to him he'd kill him. I fail to see any joke in that.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 12, 2011 13:25:22 GMT -5
Actually, being a complete f***ing jerkoff can sometimes be a great career move. Look what it did for Charlie Sheen recently. It lost him the highest paying job in television and pretty much made him unempoyable since very, very few actors would be willing to work with him at this point. He got a short-term boost but in the long run, he crushed himself. Wouldn't be surprised if Tracy Morgan doesn't find his TV/movie opportunities very limited once 30 Rock is done.
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Post by Fern on Jun 15, 2011 11:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by Display Name on Jun 15, 2011 12:54:00 GMT -5
I hadn't seen these tweets,thanks for posting.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 15, 2011 12:55:45 GMT -5
I agree with him. I'm more offended by the fact that the "jokes" Tracy Morgan said weren't funny.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 15, 2011 13:01:10 GMT -5
I agree with him. I'm more offended by the fact that the "jokes" Tracy Morgan said weren't funny. Me too... what he said was extremely unfair, and frankly offensive. I defend his right to be offensive, he's not a politician, and if people choose to take what Tracey Morgan says as a stone cold fact, then that's their problem.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Jun 15, 2011 13:09:44 GMT -5
The whole thing reminds me of "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Truth be told, I've kept pretty quiet on the situation as I don't want to pass judgement on something that I didn't see/hear for myself. Without context, it's impossible to know what sort of stance Tracy was coming from. But as a "shock comic," it's pretty obvious he was just saying what he did to get attention.
If he truly meant it, then sure, f*** 'im. But since he was on stage, performing an act, I can't imagine he did.
Louis is the man, though. I'm glad he came forward to defend Tracy's position as a comic.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 15, 2011 13:23:10 GMT -5
Morgan can say what he wants. No one is stopping him.
He's simply being held account for it.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 15, 2011 13:38:48 GMT -5
Morgan can say what he wants. No one is stopping him. He's simply being held account for it. I agree, he should be held to account - everyone should be held to account for what they say, or they should just not say it. But that accountability needs to have a limit - Tracey Morgan was performing. What he said was reprehensible, but I don't necessarily have to believe that he meant it outside of his act, any more than I think that an actor portraying a rapist IS a rapist.
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Post by r. on Jun 15, 2011 13:49:33 GMT -5
I see, So I can make the most biggoted and hateful remarks, But as long as it's in the context of my comedy show I"m free and clear of any backlash, because clearly I'm joking.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 15, 2011 13:51:59 GMT -5
I see, So I can make the most biggoted and hateful remarks, But as long as it's in the context of my comedy show I"m free and clear of any backlash, because clearly I'm joking. I'd have a serious problem with it if you were aiming your act at kids, but yeah, as long as you weren't actually inciting a crime, I'd be fine with it.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 15, 2011 13:54:57 GMT -5
I see, So I can make the most biggoted and hateful remarks, But as long as it's in the context of my comedy show I"m free and clear of any backlash, because clearly I'm joking. Well, are you free to write a screenplay about child molestation or murder?
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 15, 2011 13:57:33 GMT -5
Morgan can say what he wants. No one is stopping him. He's simply being held account for it. I agree, he should be held to account - everyone should be held to account for what they say, or they should just not say it. But that accountability needs to have a limit - Tracey Morgan was performing. What he said was reprehensible, but I don't necessarily have to believe that he meant it outside of his act, any more than I think that an actor portraying a rapist IS a rapist. Exactly. I don't care if people judge him for it but if he were to be locked away for it them I'd have a problem.
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Post by r. on Jun 15, 2011 14:00:49 GMT -5
I see, So I can make the most biggoted and hateful remarks, But as long as it's in the context of my comedy show I"m free and clear of any backlash, because clearly I'm joking. Well, are you free to write a screenplay about child molestation or murder? I understand where your comming from, But then micheal richards should get a pass because he can just say "Oh I was just kidding guys, relax" From the verbal descriptions it's clar to see he was venting some of his own personal belifs rather then making jokes.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 15, 2011 14:01:17 GMT -5
I see, So I can make the most biggoted and hateful remarks, But as long as it's in the context of my comedy show I"m free and clear of any backlash, because clearly I'm joking. Well, are you free to write a screenplay about child molestation or murder? Quite obviously you are.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 15, 2011 14:03:33 GMT -5
Well, are you free to write a screenplay about child molestation or murder? I understand where your comming from, But then micheal richards should get a pass because he can just say "Oh I was just kidding guys, relax" From the verbal descriptions it's clar to see he was venting some of his own personal belifs rather then making jokes. The Michael Richards incident is quite different, though, in that he veered from his prepared act and began to assail a heckler with racial abuse.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 15, 2011 14:06:54 GMT -5
I agree with him. I'm more offended by the fact that the "jokes" Tracy Morgan said weren't funny. Me too... what he said was extremely unfair, and frankly offensive. I defend his right to be offensive, he's not a politician, and if people choose to take what Tracey Morgan says as a stone cold fact, then that's their problem. I pretty agree with all of this.
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