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Post by The Man on Jun 10, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5
Jokes n. 1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line. 2. A mischievous trick; a prank. 3. An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation. 4. Informal a. Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke. b. An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office. v. joked, jok·ing, jokes v.intr. 1. To tell or play jokes; jest. 2. To speak in fun; be facetious. v.tr. To make fun of; tease. And not a single damn one of those definitions fit what Morgan said. Not a single damn one. Actually it could easily fall into the to speak in fun; be facetious category depending on Morgan's body language, tone, and the reaction of his audience. Comedy is a strange beast and there are many very funny things that would come across as horrific if they were translated to the sterile wording of a news article. Its really impossible to judge any of this without actually seeing the performance in question.
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Post by Display Name on Jun 10, 2011 0:36:45 GMT -5
Koda89,I'd say the first one does it.You think he said those things for his health?I'm soo not a homophobe,I have gay friends and I'm pro-gay marriage..and to be honest I knew this would come up here,because if there's anything I've learned from being on these forums for the past few years,it's that the only thing nobody can joke about is "the gay community?!?!?..",but everything else is okie dokie.Kinda annoying. Ah, the "I have gay friends" line... and your point is?....
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2011 0:37:52 GMT -5
And not a single damn one of those definitions fit what Morgan said. Not a single damn one. Actually it could easily fall into the to speak in fun; be facetious category depending on Morgan's body language, tone, and the reaction of his audience. Comedy is a strange beast and there are many very funny things that would come across as horrific if they were translated to the sterile wording of a news article. Its really impossible to judge any of this without actually seeing the performance in question. On the contrary, I find myself judging it with seemingly no difficulty. Yup, here I go, judging it.
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Post by lennon on Jun 10, 2011 0:37:58 GMT -5
Oh boy...
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 10, 2011 0:38:55 GMT -5
Actually it could easily fall into the to speak in fun; be facetious category depending on Morgan's body language, tone, and the reaction of his audience. Comedy is a strange beast and there are many very funny things that would come across as horrific if they were translated to the sterile wording of a news article. Its really impossible to judge any of this without actually seeing the performance in question. On the contrary, I find myself judging it with seemingly no difficulty. Yup, here I go, judging it. You judge it pretty well.
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Post by Display Name on Jun 10, 2011 0:41:14 GMT -5
Koda89,again..#1 applies.The definition does not read "..limited to..",it says "..especially..".
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 10, 2011 0:44:35 GMT -5
Koda89,again..#1 applies.The definition does not read "..limited to..",it says "..especially..". And once again, how anyone could either laugh at what he said or find amusement from it, it is just amazing. Have you even read the things he supposedly said? Those aren't jokes. No way in hell are those jokes. That is 110% pure malice.
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Post by The Man on Jun 10, 2011 0:48:24 GMT -5
No one is insinuating that making gay jokes is the only thing off-limits in cracking jokes. It's just in making jokes, and in humour in general, there are certain lines that one must not cross, so as to not run the risk of sounding offensive. Bullhockey there are no lines to be crossed in comedy. Laughter can be found in anything no matter how tragic. And if you are worried about offending people then its best to just check your sense of humor at the door and not even try, because just about every form of comedy known to man has offended someone. In comedy nothing is off limits if the joke teller can bring out humor in it, if there is no humor in it then it was never comedy to begin with.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 10, 2011 0:49:43 GMT -5
Eh, Andy Kaufman did "shocking" better over 30 years ago. Also did it without the profanity.
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Post by Display Name on Jun 10, 2011 0:49:46 GMT -5
Dude,people laugh at that stuff.Plain and simple.Not saying its right,but certain people love that kind of humor.I unfortunately have to leave this party,but thank you for the entertaining thread.I love you all.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2011 0:50:48 GMT -5
No one is insinuating that making gay jokes is the only thing off-limits in cracking jokes. It's just in making jokes, and in humour in general, there are certain lines that one must not cross, so as to not run the risk of sounding offensive. Bullhockey there are no lines to be crossed in comedy. Laughter can be found in anything no matter how tragic. And if you are worried about offending people then its best to just check your sense of humor at the door and not even try, because just about every form of comedy known to man has offended someone. In comedy nothing is off limits if the joke teller can bring out humor in it, if there is no humor in it then it was never comedy to begin with. I am a firm believer in that nothing is too sacred to joke about, but when you make jokes, yeah, you risk offending people, which is fine. But if you can't take the consequences of pissing everyone off, you're not cut out for comedy. Lenny Bruce paid a lot more than Tracy Morgan ever will, so Tracy knew the risks and still did something stupid.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 10, 2011 0:52:59 GMT -5
No one is insinuating that making gay jokes is the only thing off-limits in cracking jokes. It's just in making jokes, and in humour in general, there are certain lines that one must not cross, so as to not run the risk of sounding offensive. Bullhockey there are no lines to be crossed in comedy. Laughter can be found in anything no matter how tragic. And if you are worried about offending people then its best to just check your sense of humor at the door and not even try, because just about every form of comedy known to man has offended someone. In comedy nothing is off limits if the joke teller can bring out humor in it, if there is no humor in it then it was never comedy to begin with. The difference is, in most cases you can at least look at the jokes and tell that they are jokes. I keep looking over the things he supposedly said, and I just don't see the jokes, at all. They all look like things he said straight from the heart.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jun 10, 2011 0:55:34 GMT -5
No one is insinuating that making gay jokes is the only thing off-limits in cracking jokes. It's just in making jokes, and in humour in general, there are certain lines that one must not cross, so as to not run the risk of sounding offensive. Bullhockey there are no lines to be crossed in comedy. Laughter can be found in anything no matter how tragic. And if you are worried about offending people then its best to just check your sense of humor at the door and not even try, because just about every form of comedy known to man has offended someone. In comedy nothing is off limits if the joke teller can bring out humor in it, if there is no humor in it then it was never comedy to begin with. Everything can be joked about. The question is if the joke does harm or not. Does a joke about murdering your child for being gay do harm? Uh, yeah, it kinda does. "Edgy" jokes have all the power in the world to be harmful and perpetuate unfortunate tropes when they're not done right. Most comedians DON'T do it right, and in the end, all they end up doing is keeping bigotry alive. "IT'S JUST A JOKE!" is no excuse. People can laugh at homophobia all they want, it doesn't make it not harmful, and, believe me, it's not going to "break down barriers" like people try to claim it does. When the same people who watch these "edgy, offensive jokes" go out and say shit like "if you ever have sex with a man once, you're gay!"... Yeah, nobody's learning tolerance by jokes that way. I love properly done jokes about gayness and homophobia. I don't love ones that aren't properly done and do nothing but make a bunch of people agree with the person telling the joke and laugh at the silly homo-sexuals.
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Post by The Man on Jun 10, 2011 1:06:29 GMT -5
Actually it could easily fall into the to speak in fun; be facetious category depending on Morgan's body language, tone, and the reaction of his audience. Comedy is a strange beast and there are many very funny things that would come across as horrific if they were translated to the sterile wording of a news article. Its really impossible to judge any of this without actually seeing the performance in question. On the contrary, I find myself judging it with seemingly no difficulty. Yup, here I go, judging it. Therein lies the problem. How can a person make a fair judgement about anything without first seeing it? If you judge without seeing then the only thing you are judging is your own preconceived idea that has no basis in reality. History is filled to the brim with horrific examples of what can happen when knee jerk judgments are made by people who believe they hold moral superiority. (Example watch the boys beware film about the dangers of the "homosexual") Note I'm not defending Mrogan in any way just saying that I will need a bit more info before I decide if he is worthy of my outrage.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jun 10, 2011 1:07:30 GMT -5
eh I just see it as a comedian bombing and not knowing what to do only to dig themselves into a bigger ditch.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jun 10, 2011 1:09:06 GMT -5
Bullhockey there are no lines to be crossed in comedy. Laughter can be found in anything no matter how tragic. And if you are worried about offending people then its best to just check your sense of humor at the door and not even try, because just about every form of comedy known to man has offended someone. In comedy nothing is off limits if the joke teller can bring out humor in it, if there is no humor in it then it was never comedy to begin with. Everything can be joked about. The question is if the joke does harm or not. Does a joke about murdering your child for being gay do harm? Uh, yeah, it kinda does. "Edgy" jokes have all the power in the world to be harmful and perpetuate unfortunate tropes when they're not done right. Most comedians DON'T do it right, and in the end, all they end up doing is keeping bigotry alive. "IT'S JUST A JOKE!" is no excuse. People can laugh at homophobia all they want, it doesn't make it not harmful, and, believe me, it's not going to "break down barriers" like people try to claim it does. When the same people who watch these "edgy, offensive jokes" go out and say s*** like "if you ever have sex with a man once, you're gay!"... Yeah, nobody's learning tolerance by jokes that way. I love properly done jokes about gayness and homophobia. I don't love ones that aren't properly done and do nothing but make a bunch of people agree with the person telling the joke and laugh at the silly homo-sexuals. Yeah...this sums it up quite well. I've been on the receiving end of too much homophobic bullshit to see this any other way.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2011 1:09:48 GMT -5
On the contrary, I find myself judging it with seemingly no difficulty. Yup, here I go, judging it. Therein lies the problem. How can a person make a fair judgement about anything without first seeing it? If you judge without seeing then the only thing you are judging is your own preconceived idea that has no basis in reality. History is filled to the brim with horrific examples of what can happen when knee jerk judgments are made by people who believe they hold moral superiority. Note I'm not defending Mrogan in any way just saying that I will need a bit more info before I decide if he is worthy of my outrage. I was mostly kidding, but basically, I know enough about the guy to know he has drinking problems, and isn't exactly cerebral in his acts. I don't have a hard time buying that he went off on a possibly drunken tirade, given what I know of his past behavior. That said, if it turns out that isn't the case, by all means I will be fine with it. I just seriously doubt this was all in the delivery or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 1:16:51 GMT -5
He said he would stab his son if he was gay, that gay people are a mistake, and that gay people need to stop complaining about being bullied because bullying is nothing to worry about.
I'm failing to see where the jokes are.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2011 1:21:03 GMT -5
He said he would stab his son if he was gay, that gay people are a mistake, and that gay people need to stop complaining about being bullied because bullying is nothing to worry about. I'm failing to see where the jokes are. Hell, if he's joking, I'm offended he's this terrible of a comedian. He'd be making Andrew Dice Clay look like Richard Pryor.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jun 10, 2011 1:24:02 GMT -5
He said he would stab his son if he was gay, that gay people are a mistake, and that gay people need to stop complaining about being bullied because bullying is nothing to worry about. I'm failing to see where the jokes are. I don't think he said it like that, lol. what we're reading is the recollection of an offensive joke by someone who was offended by it. Most of what was said was verbatim, and not a direct quote. unless video surfaces we're not really going to fully understand just how the jokes were said or how over the top the jokes were (and if I were to guess, the jokes were intended to be extremely facetious). So.. yeah I'll just repeat what others have said and say that we really don't know what he said untill solid evidence is presented. For all we know this could just be a blogger who is pissed off at Tracy Morgan for whatever reason and wants to make him look bad... for whatever reason.
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