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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 11:11:06 GMT -5
Hold up? People honestly think he is being serious about wanting to murder his son if he was gay? Really? To me that line screams "this is me being insanely over the top with this schtick, don't take anything I say seriously." iono, maybe that's just me. No, I don't think he's being serious, I'm just wondering how that is considered a joke.
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Post by rrm15 on Jun 10, 2011 11:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 10, 2011 11:34:25 GMT -5
A part of me really wants to give him the benefit of the doubt on this apology, but that reads like it was written by a really panicky publicist.
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 11:36:37 GMT -5
What will be intersting in this situation will be if '30 Rock' takes any action on this. Tina Fey is a huge supporter of the LGBT community and if you ask me, the show really doesn't need Tracy, give a new comic a break.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 10, 2011 11:43:31 GMT -5
Bo Burnahm is hilarious
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jun 10, 2011 11:43:41 GMT -5
Well at least he didn't use the celebrity standard non-apology "I apologise if I caused offense" which makes it sound like it's the fault of those who were offended.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 10, 2011 11:45:47 GMT -5
What will be intersting in this situation will be if '30 Rock' takes any action on this. Tina Fey is a huge supporter of the LGBT community and if you ask me, the show really doesn't need Tracy, give a new comic a break. True, but you've gotta remember, she came up on SNL with Morgan, so you've gotta ask yourself if political ideas and opinions trump nepotism.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 10, 2011 11:46:48 GMT -5
He should be sacked from 30 Rock
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 11:58:51 GMT -5
What will be intersting in this situation will be if '30 Rock' takes any action on this. Tina Fey is a huge supporter of the LGBT community and if you ask me, the show really doesn't need Tracy, give a new comic a break. True, but you've gotta remember, she came up on SNL with Morgan, so you've gotta ask yourself if political ideas and opinions trump nepotism. Time will tell I guess. The thing working against Tracy is that of the main core he's the most expednible of them.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 10, 2011 12:00:56 GMT -5
I do stand-up myself. I'm of the belief that if we can't laugh at everything, then we can laugh at nothing. As long as your aim is to get a laugh without blatant insult, then I think everything should be fair game. Sure, people might and probably will get offended, but I think you're going to find people who will take offence to just about everything.
With that being said, there was nothing witty or thought-provoking about Tracy Morgan's performance. The jokes came off as simply mean-spirited and hurtful.
I understand that Morgan's style is over-the-top and he uses a lot of hyperbole, but there was none of that here, just as there was no nuance to Michael Richards's infamous performance some years ago.
Racial and sexual humour can be very funny and make you think when it's done by the right people, but when it isn't, we end up with situations like these.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jun 10, 2011 12:09:49 GMT -5
I do stand-up myself. I'm of the belief that if we can't laugh at everything, then we can laugh at nothing. As long as your aim is to get a laugh without blatant insult, then I think everything should be fair game. Sure, people might and probably will get offended, but I think you're going to find people who will take offence to just about everything. With that being said, there was nothing witty or thought-provoking about Tracy Morgan's performance. The jokes came off as simply mean-spirited and hurtful. I understand that Morgan's style is over-the-top and he uses a lot of hyperbole, but there was none of that here, just as there was no nuance to Michael Richards's infamous performance some years ago.
Racial and sexual humour can be very funny and make you think when it's done by the right people, but when it isn't, we end up with situations like these. Here's the rub... we don't know that. We haven't seen the incident in question, just paraphrasing of it with no context. We all SAW Michael Richard's incident. He was bombing, got heckled, then called the heckler a N*****, and went on an unfunny racist rant. Here it sounds like Tracy went for shock value w/ the gay comments, and when booed for it said "If gays can take a dick in the ass, the can take a joke" which is kind of the punch line really. The report makes it sound like he suddenly goes on a minutes long homophobic rant for no reason, as opposed to just being part of his comedy routine. Now, it may not be FUNNY... but I seriously doubt he believes all that stuff. I'm not saying people shouldn't get offended by the jokes, but you should just consider it an unfunny comedy bit vs "Tracy Morgan is a homophobic bastard that should lose his job"
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 10, 2011 12:24:34 GMT -5
I do stand-up myself. I'm of the belief that if we can't laugh at everything, then we can laugh at nothing. As long as your aim is to get a laugh without blatant insult, then I think everything should be fair game. Sure, people might and probably will get offended, but I think you're going to find people who will take offence to just about everything. With that being said, there was nothing witty or thought-provoking about Tracy Morgan's performance. The jokes came off as simply mean-spirited and hurtful. I understand that Morgan's style is over-the-top and he uses a lot of hyperbole, but there was none of that here, just as there was no nuance to Michael Richards's infamous performance some years ago.
Racial and sexual humour can be very funny and make you think when it's done by the right people, but when it isn't, we end up with situations like these. Here's the rub... we don't know that. We haven't seen the incident in question, just paraphrasing of it with no context. We all SAW Michael Richard's incident. He was bombing, got heckled, then called the heckler a N*****, and went on an unfunny racist rant. Here it sounds like Tracy went for shock value w/ the gay comments, and when booed for it said "If gays can take a dick in the ass, the can take a joke" which is kind of the punch line really. The report makes it sound like he suddenly goes on a minutes long homophobic rant for no reason, as opposed to just being part of his comedy routine. Now, it may not be FUNNY... but I seriously doubt he believes all that stuff. I'm not saying people shouldn't get offended by the jokes, but you should just consider it an unfunny comedy bit vs "Tracy Morgan is a homophobic bastard that should lose his job" You're right. I should clarify my statements, as none of us has actually seen the bit in question. We're working off of hearsay. That being said, Morgan has had similar incidents in the past and I'm familiar with the content of his past stand-up shows, so this wouldn't really come as something completely out of left field from him. I'm not calling for his head by any means and I don't even think he's homophobic. He just made a bad decision and will now have to suffer the consequences of it. It just goes to show you what kind of fine line you're dealing with in comedy.
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Post by Orange on Jun 10, 2011 12:27:56 GMT -5
When you put bigotry on a stage and give the bigot a mic, it still doesn't make it stand up comedy, it's still straight up bigotry. There's a fine line between shock humor and being hateful, Morgan's comments to me are the latter. Some people will say "he's a comedian, it's all good!" but it's really not. Michael Richards went on a racial tirade and people said it was racist, which it was. It's wrong to look at this and say it's "just shock humor", it's the same damn situation.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Jun 10, 2011 12:40:49 GMT -5
He should be sacked from 30 Rock Why? Yeah this was a major douchey move but not a reason for the guy to be fired. I'm bi myself and I find myself annoyed I see so many people from the LBGT community wanting him fired so badly. Is this gonna effect my opinion of a guy I found extremely funny? Yes. Is it gonna make me want his career ruined and his chances of doing what he loves ruined? Hell no. Freedom of speech goes both ways, whether someone says something I find offensive or not.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 10, 2011 12:48:56 GMT -5
kinda weird he'd say that considering he played a gay tranny prisoner in "The Longest Yard" A character that in itself was rather mocking of gays.
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Post by alabastergrim on Jun 10, 2011 13:12:15 GMT -5
So....this thread huh?
Honestly, NOBODY here saw the video so no one knows what the delivery was or the tone so stop making assumptions. On top of that, the blog writer had an obviously biased point of view and when the same site did a post about Morgan's apology immediately responded with "Apology not accepted." So to me, that tells me this particular site has an agenda should not be used as a trusted source.
I'm not saying Morgan is free and clear but I am saying that comedy is subjective and tone of the material can not be translated through written word.
Finally, everyone seems to support free speech until that speech says something they don't agree with...
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jun 10, 2011 13:24:25 GMT -5
So....this thread huh? Honestly, NOBODY here saw the video so no one knows what the delivery was or the tone so stop making assumptions. On top of that, the blog writer had an obviously biased point of view and when the same site did a post about Morgan's apology immediately responded with "Apology not accepted." So to me, that tells me this particular site has an agenda should not be used as a trusted source. I'm not saying Morgan is free and clear but I am saying that comedy is subjective and tone of the material can not be translated through written word. Finally, everyone seems to support free speech until that speech says something they don't agree with... Yeah... the main reason I wanna see it, is listen to his delivery. If he's "in character".. kind of a huge fuss over nothing really.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 10, 2011 13:26:52 GMT -5
If he does lose his gig I'll have trouble feeling sorry for him. Anyone with sense would know you can't go and offend a ton of folks and figure on keeping your network-tv job.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 10, 2011 13:28:20 GMT -5
If he does lose his gig I'll have trouble feeling sorry for him. Anyone with sense would know you can't go and offend a ton of folks and figure on keeping your network-tv job. But remember, if it was "in character" then it can't have been offensive. Characters can't be offensive, no matter what they say, apparently.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 10, 2011 13:30:31 GMT -5
So....this thread huh? Honestly, NOBODY here saw the video so no one knows what the delivery was or the tone so stop making assumptions. On top of that, the blog writer had an obviously biased point of view and when the same site did a post about Morgan's apology immediately responded with "Apology not accepted." So to me, that tells me this particular site has an agenda should not be used as a trusted source. I'm not saying Morgan is free and clear but I am saying that comedy is subjective and tone of the material can not be translated through written word. Finally, everyone seems to support free speech until that speech says something they don't agree with... Yeah... the main reason I wanna see it, is listen to his delivery. If he's "in character".. kind of a huge fuss over nothing really. Hell, his "in character" delivery is what has turned me off from him in the past few years. Everything that comes out of his mouth is done in the same cadence and it gets tired in a hurry. I fear the same thing is happening to Aziz Ansari.
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