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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 21, 2011 15:18:59 GMT -5
Because John Cena is just too though an opponent.
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Post by ptp2011 on Apr 21, 2011 15:26:03 GMT -5
Vince and Stephanie McMahon's personalities?
Practical jokes like someone pooping on your stuff? The locker room acting like kindergarten students in general?
Being heavily scripted and having little or no freedom to improvise?
Fans that couldn't care less about you unless you're at least an upper midcarder?
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Post by Raja Lion on Apr 21, 2011 15:30:54 GMT -5
Practical jokes like someone pooping on your stuff? The locker room acting like kindergarten students in general? Ribs happen at every level and at every promotion. Its part of the business basically. No one who is at the level of even considering WWE has not experienced a rib before.
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Post by ptp2011 on Apr 21, 2011 15:32:07 GMT -5
Practical jokes like someone pooping on your stuff? The locker room acting like kindergarten students in general? Ribs happen at every level and at every promotion. Its part of the business basically. No one who is at the level of even considering WWE has not experienced a rib before. True enough. It's just hearing about the WWE ones skewed my post there for a moment.
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Post by Raja Lion on Apr 21, 2011 15:36:04 GMT -5
Ribs happen at every level and at every promotion. Its part of the business basically. No one who is at the level of even considering WWE has not experienced a rib before. True enough. It's just hearing about the WWE ones skewed my post there for a moment. Sure, I understand that. WWE are the most publicized ones obviously. There have been far worse ribs throughout the business. Google, "Urban Legends of Professional Wrestling" for some examples (its an angelfire link), or read Bret's book and his stuff about the Calgary days. Because they don't care about money or fame and just love to wrestle...? And don't want to be stuck with the stigma of a wretch-inducing gimmick ala Eugene or Red Rooster. These are extremes of the spectrum. I highly doubt anyone considering WWE has had this even cross their mind as a reason not to go unless they were fed a gimmick before signing. Hell, Droz had a puking gimmick and readily signed on for it.
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Post by Cela on Apr 21, 2011 15:49:03 GMT -5
It's tough to go from a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Apr 21, 2011 15:50:53 GMT -5
I can see both sides of the argument, so I guess it comes down to the wrestler. One one hand, you may have someone who sees wrestling as an art form and doesn't want to to be compromised by having to work in a company where his style will be changed, or he won't be used to his full potential. On the other hand, you have guys who love wrestling just as much, but have no problem being told what they can and cannot do.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 21, 2011 16:18:41 GMT -5
Better to be an Indy wrestler I say with a steady check and creative freedom, then a 6'5" FCW trained dude who knows only how to work one clunky 5 minute match, never playing to a crowd, only to get released once a year when Creative "has nothing for them". Those guys are left with nothing, and no concept of how to work anywhere else. They're, for all intents and purposes, worse off for having been in WWE. And they’re numbers are growing exponentially.
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Post by Greer on Apr 21, 2011 16:22:16 GMT -5
Kaval was booked like trash.
DBD is a jobber.
Evan Bourne is a joke AND a jobber.
Yes they are getting "exposure" and a bigger payday but it must kinda suck sometimes to be booked that way.
I really want to become an actor. Would I accept roles to be a pointless extra and make more money, or do leading roles in independent films made by good film makers, making less money?
It's all personal preference really.
I don't blame people at all if they don't wanna go to WWE or TNA.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 21, 2011 17:10:27 GMT -5
They may be unwilling to sign away the rights to their name/gimmick.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Apr 21, 2011 17:22:16 GMT -5
Evan Bourne has said he didn't even really have any career aspirations beyond getting to be a random jobber on WWE TV. For all his demon's, I think Scott Hall had the best approach to wrestling: I don't care how you book me, as long as I get paid. Your job is to work the role they want you to, and you will get too be on TV, and make good money. If you take your win/loss record so seriously in a fake sport, you got some issues I think. If they want you to job, do the best damn job you can and get paid for it. The Eugene argument doesn't really hold water either... he created the character.
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Post by Greer on Apr 21, 2011 18:20:21 GMT -5
Evan Bourne has said he didn't even really have any career aspirations beyond getting to be a random jobber on WWE TV. For all his demon's, I think Scott Hall had the best approach to wrestling: I don't care how you book me, as long as I get paid. Your job is to work the role they want you to, and you will get too be on TV, and make good money. If you take your win/loss record so seriously in a fake sport, you got some issues I think. If they want you to job, do the best damn job you can and get paid for it. The Eugene argument doesn't really hold water either... he created the character. It's not about win/loss. It's about being respected in my view. You go from a company where the fans love you, you are booked as a legit wrestler, and you are allowed to showcase your abilities that you TRAIN to do. DBD didn't train to sit backstage with the Bellas and read books. He trained to wrestle. The man is never on TV and when he is, it's a squash match. The man trained with HBK and is arguably the best overall wrestler in the world. And using Scott Hall as an example is nonsense. The guy was part of the Kilq. I'm sure he cared about how he was booked while they pretty much ran the backstage of the WWF at the time. If I train to wrestle and use my athletic abilities, they should at least be showcased to their fullest potential. Some men respect the art of wrestling and would rather display it for ROH and make less money than the WWE where they will be used as a stepping stone for guys with less talent, and less ability. Then do crappy segments backstage with the Bellas, Snoop Dogg and whoever else.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Apr 21, 2011 19:18:23 GMT -5
Evan Bourne has said he didn't even really have any career aspirations beyond getting to be a random jobber on WWE TV. For all his demon's, I think Scott Hall had the best approach to wrestling: I don't care how you book me, as long as I get paid. Your job is to work the role they want you to, and you will get too be on TV, and make good money. If you take your win/loss record so seriously in a fake sport, you got some issues I think. If they want you to job, do the best damn job you can and get paid for it. The Eugene argument doesn't really hold water either... he created the character. It's not about win/loss. It's about being respected in my view. You go from a company where the fans love you, you are booked as a legit wrestler, and you are allowed to showcase your abilities that you TRAIN to do. DBD didn't train to sit backstage with the Bellas and read books. He trained to wrestle. The man is never on TV and when he is, it's a squash match. The man trained with HBK and is arguably the best overall wrestler in the world. And using Scott Hall as an example is nonsense. The guy was part of the Kilq. I'm sure he cared about how he was booked while they pretty much ran the backstage of the WWF at the time.If I train to wrestle and use my athletic abilities, they should at least be showcased to their fullest potential. Some men respect the art of wrestling and would rather display it for ROH and make less money than the WWE where they will be used as a stepping stone for guys with less talent, and less ability. Then do crappy segments backstage with the Bellas, Snoop Dogg and whoever else. How many guys did Hall really hold down though? Of all the Kliq members he seemed to be the one willing to drop belts, etc the most. Not to mention he turned down World Title runs because he didn't want the extra responsibilities. I think Hall ran w/ em to have fun and party more then to protect his spot.
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Post by Greer on Apr 21, 2011 19:26:10 GMT -5
It's not about win/loss. It's about being respected in my view. You go from a company where the fans love you, you are booked as a legit wrestler, and you are allowed to showcase your abilities that you TRAIN to do. DBD didn't train to sit backstage with the Bellas and read books. He trained to wrestle. The man is never on TV and when he is, it's a squash match. The man trained with HBK and is arguably the best overall wrestler in the world. And using Scott Hall as an example is nonsense. The guy was part of the Kilq. I'm sure he cared about how he was booked while they pretty much ran the backstage of the WWF at the time.If I train to wrestle and use my athletic abilities, they should at least be showcased to their fullest potential. Some men respect the art of wrestling and would rather display it for ROH and make less money than the WWE where they will be used as a stepping stone for guys with less talent, and less ability. Then do crappy segments backstage with the Bellas, Snoop Dogg and whoever else. How many guys did Hall really hold down though? Of all the Kliq members he seemed to be the one willing to drop belts, etc the most. Not to mention he turned down World Title runs because he didn't want the extra responsibilities. I think Hall ran w/ em to have fun and party more then to protect his spot. He's still a horrible example though. The guy didn't care about the business at all. Look at the man now. A shell of his former self. Plus its very easy to say you are doing it for the money when you had the opportunity to display your talents and get over. If Scott Hall were a jobber his whole career, I think he would be singing a different tune. Besides that, he did it for money. Well in order to make the most money you have to be pretty high up on the card, which he was. Would he be saying the same things if he was a jobber, making the minimum?
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 21, 2011 19:28:56 GMT -5
Evan Bourne has said he didn't even really have any career aspirations beyond getting to be a random jobber on WWE TV. For all his demon's, I think Scott Hall had the best approach to wrestling: I don't care how you book me, as long as I get paid. Your job is to work the role they want you to, and you will get too be on TV, and make good money. If you take your win/loss record so seriously in a fake sport, you got some issues I think. If they want you to job, do the best damn job you can and get paid for it. The Eugene argument doesn't really hold water either... he created the character. DBD didn't train to sit backstage with the Bellas and read books. He trained to wrestle. The man is never on TV and when he is, it's a squash match. Do you watch the same show I do? Because that's really far removed from reality. He's on TV almost every week, and rarely in squash matches.
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Post by Error on Apr 21, 2011 19:33:15 GMT -5
For some, they would make less money full time in FCW than they do wrestling indies and working a day job. If they were going straight to the main roster it might be different but, having to move to FLA, make less money and, possibly never get out of FCW just isn't worth it to some.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 21, 2011 19:33:37 GMT -5
spend too much time on the road and away from family.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 21, 2011 19:39:42 GMT -5
For some, they would make less money full time in FCW than they do wrestling indies and working a day job. If they were going straight to the main roster it might be different but, having to move to FLA, make less money and, possibly never get out of FCW just isn't worth it to some. Yeah, FCW wrestlers don't make much, and a lot of people there never get out. It's a risk, some people are willing to put it all on the line for a chance, while others take a more pragmatic and realistic approach.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 21, 2011 19:47:57 GMT -5
Plus, maybe some wrestlers priorities are just different? I know, way back, possibly before TNA even, AJ Styles was offered a WWE contract, and turned it down because he wanted to be able to spend more time at home with his family. He just didn't want to deal with the WWE schedule and moving himself around and all that. Totally understandable reasoning.
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Post by zeez on Apr 21, 2011 19:56:35 GMT -5
Because they're not Tough Enough (TM)? GIVE ME YOUR BELT!!!!!!
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