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Post by The Cole Mine on May 16, 2011 18:57:26 GMT -5
Once again, you're not showing any valid proof that Orton himself caused people to not tune in. You're being nitpicky and arguing for the sake of arguing. The main event talent and what's going on with them has a huge impact on who watches the show. Shows with Orton as Champion have a history of lower ratings, once again Orton's won the Championship and the ratings are dipping. No, I just think it's absurd people ASSUME that Orton is the reason people aren't watching. Unless you poll people and ask them why they didn't watch, NO ONE can say that he is the reason for any ratings drops.
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Post by kingbookermark on May 16, 2011 19:00:47 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't there a playoff game on Friday? This!
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on May 16, 2011 19:01:02 GMT -5
Maybe people were pissed that Christian was robbed of a title reign. And that pissiness has nothing to do with Orton, but that the WWE took the ball from Christian before he could run with it?
Not to mentuon its playoff season in 2 sports at the moment.
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Post by joebob27 on May 16, 2011 19:02:17 GMT -5
I just love how Orton is a ratings killer and no good while getting twice the reaction of Christian and being more over than Christian could ever hope to be. Just because Christian made stupid faces with Tomko and Edge and mocked John Cena, his s*** doesn't stink it seems. And I am a Christian fan, but if him and AJ Lee had a baby, most people on here with die from heart failure. Christ almighty. Look at the demo drops over those two weeks. The WWE panders to a demo, so pops mean nothing when we're talking about that. *Those* people are still watching. The other demos got absolutely buried.
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Post by Krimzon on May 16, 2011 19:04:13 GMT -5
Wasn't the NBA Playoff game between the Thunder & Grizzlies? Not exactly a ratings bonanza.
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Post by wrestlinggod13 on May 16, 2011 19:04:23 GMT -5
I blame Sin Cara.
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Post by joebob27 on May 16, 2011 19:11:00 GMT -5
To me it just looks like they lost alot of their adult audience. A capitulation point. Doesn't necessarily mean something they did in the last two weeks is 100% the reason, but something broke the camel's back and the audience didn't come back.
Will be interesting to see if that carries over to Raw now.
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Post by Piccolo on May 16, 2011 19:19:38 GMT -5
You're being nitpicky and arguing for the sake of arguing. The main event talent and what's going on with them has a huge impact on who watches the show. Shows with Orton as Champion have a history of lower ratings, once again Orton's won the Championship and the ratings are dipping. No, I just think it's absurd people ASSUME that Orton is the reason people aren't watching. Unless you poll people and ask them why they didn't watch, NO ONE can say that he is the reason for any ratings drops. This is hardly a new phenomenon in wrestling fandom. We talk about who was a "draw" all the time, based on the ratings and buyrates when they were champ.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 16, 2011 19:19:53 GMT -5
You're being nitpicky and arguing for the sake of arguing. The main event talent and what's going on with them has a huge impact on who watches the show. Shows with Orton as Champion have a history of lower ratings, once again Orton's won the Championship and the ratings are dipping. No, I just think it's absurd people ASSUME that Orton is the reason people aren't watching. Unless you poll people and ask them why they didn't watch, NO ONE can say that he is the reason for any ratings drops. People are assuming it based on a consistent pattern of ratings drops after Orton wins a top belt. It has happened every single time he has won the WHC or the WWE title. Perhaps you missed this: And that list doesn't even show the similar ratings drop after Orton won the title after Night of Champions last year. Every single time Orton has won the title, the ratings have dipped. In fact, this dip is a lot less noticeable than the previous ones - although that could be due to spoilers driving down the ratings on the night Orton won the title. It's a pattern. It might mean that the fans want to see Orton as a chaser but not as a champion, rather than that Orton is plain not over.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 16, 2011 19:25:37 GMT -5
People.... I don't care who's champion. I about who I get to see on TV, I care about who they get to see wrestle, I care about who's involved in storylines, but I don't care who has a belt that represents a fake accomplishment. I mean, I might care if they perceive Christian as being treated badly, or I don't like that Orton is a central character on Smackdown at the expense of other people. But. I, and I mean I am not such a mark as to stop watching a show because of who is champion! It's just absurd. Fix'd that for you. Now it's a little closer to the truth. Let me propose it as a question to the group, then: Do casual fans care who's champion, or do they just care who they get to watch? I say: everyone knows the show's fake, and so only people who get really involved in backstage stuff would remotely care. The champion doesn't even main event all the time anymore. Evidence: Rey. Not champion, easily Smackdown's biggest star. Evidence 2: Cena when he was a member of Nexus. Evidence 3: Cena vs. Rock and HHH vs. Taker being the focus of mania. Even the WRITERS know no one cares.
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Post by JTG on May 16, 2011 19:27:00 GMT -5
As chaser? He's barely OK As champion? He's painfully boring
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Post by Starshine on May 16, 2011 19:28:34 GMT -5
Randy Orton, 'Ratings Killer.'
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on May 16, 2011 19:31:57 GMT -5
Smackdown! has the weaker roster. It has better in-ring action but it's treated like the B-Show. You hit it right on the head. Smackdown has some really good matches on it, many that rank among the best TV matches of the year. Sadly, WWE rarely treats Smackdown as important. The only time I watch Smackdown is if I don't have anything else to do. If I hear of a great match that happens on the show, I might tune in, but I care for Smackdown about as much as WWE does. Randy Orton being champion has nothing to do with it. Smackdown's ratings are down because the roster is thin and it's a show with relative little importance to the WWE compared to RAW.
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Post by CJ on May 16, 2011 19:34:34 GMT -5
Orton's the champ... doesn't surprise me
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Post by Legion on May 16, 2011 19:36:08 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't there a playoff game on Friday? Not gonna let this get no sold. Yep. At 8 PM CST. I'd like to see what ratings this game did, and similarly what the ratings were like for the two hour Smallville finale which finally saw Tom Welling in th suit after ten years. I'd also be interested in a geographic ratings breakdown to see how much Smackdown went down in areas with high Hispanic populations due to the loss of ADR and Rey. Or it's all cos Orton is champ and Christian was robbed. Whichever.
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Post by Professor Chaos on May 16, 2011 19:42:43 GMT -5
Next time Norm McDonald is on Conan O'Brien I hope Randy Orton is also a guest so Norm can say if you're the Smackdown you know what a good name for it would be.. box office poison. Now take that to the papers.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on May 16, 2011 19:47:11 GMT -5
Last year's ratings with Sheamus as champion:
8/30/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.5
9/06/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.0
9/13/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.02
9/20/2010 - WWE RAW Rating* - 2.8 (Orton's first night as the new WWE champion)
*WWE's flagship program had not scored a rating below 3.0 since November 17, 2008. Viewership was below 4,000,000 million for the first time since December 31, 2007. (PWInsider.com, Pro Wrestling Torch)
9/27/2010 - WWE RAW Rating (Taped)* - 2.74
10/04/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.35
10/11/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 2.9
10/18/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1
10/25/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1
11/01/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.26
11/08/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1
11/15/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.05
11/22/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.3 (Orton loses the title)
The week after Orton lost the title was a three-hour Raw that did a 3.1, so they actually went down from the week before. But I'm not really trying to make the argument that Miz as champion was supposed to be a bigger draw and do better ratings, although that may well have been why they put the title on him.
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Post by CJ on May 16, 2011 19:50:15 GMT -5
Last year's ratings with Sheamus as champion: 8/30/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.5 9/06/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.0 9/13/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.02 9/20/2010 - WWE RAW Rating* - 2.8 (Orton's first night as the new WWE champion)*WWE's flagship program had not scored a rating below 3.0 since November 17, 2008. Viewership was below 4,000,000 million for the first time since December 31, 2007. (PWInsider.com, Pro Wrestling Torch) 9/27/2010 - WWE RAW Rating (Taped)* - 2.74 10/04/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.35 10/11/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 2.9 10/18/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1 10/25/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1 11/01/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.26 11/08/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.1 11/15/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.05 11/22/2010 - WWE RAW Rating - 3.3 (Orton loses the title)The week after Orton lost the title was a three-hour Raw that did a 3.1, so they actually went down from the week before. But I'm not really trying to make the argument that Miz as champion was supposed to be a bigger draw and do better ratings, although that may well have been why they put the title on him.
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Post by Altabane on May 16, 2011 19:54:56 GMT -5
The Cole Mine wants a minute by minute breakdown for each show. So while this makes sense for everyone else, unless you provide hat, this isn't going to help
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on May 16, 2011 19:57:54 GMT -5
I wish there was a way to have a controlled experiment. In that Vince out of the blue for some god knows what reasons, put the best most compelling and exciting show that he could every week on both RAW and Smackdown (along with NXT and Superstars), "just to see" if the ratings would improve somewhat.
I'm not talking about pushing certain people. They could keep everybody in the card position they are in right now (Orton as champ, etc.), but of if they used everyone (and I mean just about everybody) in a conducive manner, I feel like things would improve.
If the ratings wouldn't end up improving in lieu of this experiment, then to me, it's a matter of fans just having given up or just haven given into the Cena all the time strategy for so long that WWE has pushed, and are now rabid for that and only that.
I'd be fine with my favorite guys (Bryan, Punk, etc.) losing seventy-five percent of the time, if one hundred percent of the time, something interesting was being done with them. Have six storylines on every show instead of two, use Superstars to effectively build talent and hype the storylines from the two main shows.
I think WWE has conditioned fans in such a way that Cena is a Hogan type that they can only accept Cena as a hero. If Orton or Cena gets hurt for a long period of time (or have a career ending one god forbid) they would be far more screwed than they are now.
I know this post is just a massive hypothetical situation, but we all have to agree that Vince is a genius with some major flaws. If he can get someone to help with those flaws (Triple H, and some great wrestling minds) and have everyone in the company from the boardroom, down to the referees and writers working at 100% motivation, I'm POSITIVE the ratings would go up.
If that didn't work, I don't think we'd even need discussions like these, because it wouldn't even be an issue. If we were enjoying the product and the product was pumping on all cylinders, then I could give a hoot who else was watching.
I just don't understand why WWE doesn't give it another shot. What could it hurt really? Their ratings can't get much worse, and won't get too bad regardless because there still is a rabid audience out there. Give it a shot WWE, eh? It would certainly help the peace on this board. ;D
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