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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jun 14, 2011 16:10:52 GMT -5
He needs to find some talent and Dolph ain't got any to spare. Any wrestler whose most memorable attribute is a manager (Dolpd) is just plain losuy. Eddie G could kick his ass even now. Dolph's most memorable attribute is a manager? Half the time I forget he even has Vickie. If anything his most memorable attribute is his hair. And seriously... Dolph not having talent? Ummm... Well, that's your opinion I guess. Yeah. One half of WWE.coms Match Of The Year. IMO Dolph just needs more promo time. He has the skills. With a live mic on NXT he was great.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 14, 2011 16:14:09 GMT -5
IF this is true, then the economics of it make NO sense. I sell a series of products, shoes let's say. I, of course, have ones that I really want to move, the ones that will make me the most money, and thus I will do my best to plug said shoes. However, let's say I also put out a pair of shoes that, frankly, I didn't expect much from. However, the actual designer of said shoe (Ryder in relation to his character, poor analogy, I know) gets word out on the 'net and the demand among a portion of my customers, especially in certain markets, skyrockets.
Do I do my best to move these shoes as well as my high profile model or do I say "hell no, they can't possibly want THOSE God damn things, hide them"?
THe answer is obvious, it's called turning down money otherwise. Thus, I'm calling work here and something is in the works for Ryder.
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Post by funkyjesus on Jun 14, 2011 16:15:58 GMT -5
Dolph's most memorable attribute is a manager? Half the time I forget he even has Vickie. If anything his most memorable attribute is his hair. And seriously... Dolph not having talent? Ummm... Well, that's your opinion I guess. Yeah. One half of WWE.coms Match Of The Year. IMO Dolph just needs more promo time. He has the skills. With a live mic on NXT he was great. He had a live mic for about 9 minutes on PPV once and killed the crowd with one of the worst promos in history. Dolph isn't a guy who can ditch Vickie and not suffer. He has personality in buckets - but it is personality you want to have a conversation with, not pay money to see.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 14, 2011 16:19:58 GMT -5
IF this is true, then the economics of it make NO sense. I sell a series of products, shoes let's say. I, of course, have ones that I really want to move, the ones that will make me the most money, and thus I will do my best to plug said shoes. However, let's say I also put out a pair of shoes that, frankly, I didn't expect much from. However, the actual designer of said shoe (Ryder in relation to his character, poor analogy, I know) gets word out on the 'net and the demand among a portion of my customers, especially in certain markets, skyrockets. Do I do my best to move these shoes as well as my high profile model or do I say "hell no, they can't possibly want THOSE God damn things, hide them"? THe answer is obvious, it's called turning down money otherwise. Thus, I'm calling work here and something is in the works for Ryder. The problem with the work theory is, though, if they keep this up, eventually, people are gonna see that their support is going NOWHERE, and they're gonna just give up the ghost, and Zack will fade back into the rear again. It's a REALLY fine line if it is a work, and WWE's mainly a company known for taking anything that works and pounding it into the ground so I'm not convinced here.
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Post by BigWill on Jun 14, 2011 16:26:33 GMT -5
Yeah. One half of WWE.coms Match Of The Year. IMO Dolph just needs more promo time. He has the skills. With a live mic on NXT he was great. He had a live mic for about 9 minutes on PPV once and killed the crowd with one of the worst promos in history. Dolph isn't a guy who can ditch Vickie and not suffer. He has personality in buckets - but it is personality you want to have a conversation with, not pay money to see. This entire statement makes absolutely no sense to me. What 9 minute promo that killed the crowd? And don't give me some long ago example, because Ziggler has improved greatly on the mic. Edit: Hell even if you gave me one of his earlier promos, it's a vast exaggeration to say any of them could have been the worst in history. And Dolph Ziggler not being able to ditch Vickie... I don't think I've ever found him more entertaining than when he was on NXT, with no Vickie in sight. I almost felt like I was cheating WWE for being able to get that kind of entertainment for free.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 14, 2011 16:37:58 GMT -5
He had a live mic for about 9 minutes on PPV once and killed the crowd with one of the worst promos in history. Dolph isn't a guy who can ditch Vickie and not suffer. He has personality in buckets - but it is personality you want to have a conversation with, not pay money to see. This entire statement makes absolutely no sense to me. What 9 minute promo that killed the crowd? And don't give me some long ago example, because Ziggler has improved greatly on the mic. Edit: Hell even if you gave me one of his earlier promos, it's a vast exaggeration to say any of them could have been the worst in history. And Dolph Ziggler not being able to ditch Vickie... I don't think I've ever found him more entertaining than when he was on NXT, with no Vickie in sight. I almost felt like I was cheating WWE for being able to get that kind of entertainment for free. He probably means his promo on Pat Patterson in Montreal. It was pretty bad but they gave him bad material to work with. The fact is, they went for cheap heat by having Ziggles bash a local, but the guy they used (Patterson) spent his career as a heel ridiculing the local faces. And people here remember this shit! They don't give a damn about Pat Patterson as a face, they might respect his contribution as a booker, but that doesn't bring you sympathy! Mind you, had they went balls out and had Ziggler, I don't know, slap Edouard Carpentier or attack Rick Martel's knees...well they would have hurt the fans feelings and might have had a riot on their hands. And that's the other extreme. This town is tough to run and they don't run it a whole lot for that reason.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 14, 2011 16:40:14 GMT -5
...someone from the company texted me last night and just said, "Vince hates the Internet." Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you.
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Post by husti on Jun 14, 2011 16:44:59 GMT -5
...someone from the company texted me last night and just said, "Vince hates the Internet." Mm-hmm.My big brother works for the WWE and he confirmed this!! for reals
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Post by celticjobber on Jun 14, 2011 16:49:21 GMT -5
...someone from the company texted me last night and just said, "Vince hates the Internet." Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you. It's from Wrestling Observer. Like them or not, it's a revered newsletter and pretty much the pinnacle of wrestling journalism. Bryan and Dave both know many people currently and formerly employeed by WWE. There's no reason to doubt any of that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 14, 2011 16:51:03 GMT -5
...someone from the company texted me last night and just said, "Vince hates the Internet." Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you. I read that tidbit on their site and laugh. It was almost as bad as them saying "If you want to support Ryder, don't support him. Let us write how he going to get fired so they will put him on tv out of spite." F'n egomaniacs. All the dirtsheets are hopping on the Zack Wagon trying to get money from the smarks.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 14, 2011 16:56:08 GMT -5
Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you. It's from Wrestling Observer. Like them or not, it's a revered newsletter and pretty much the pinnacle of wrestling journalism. Bryan and Dave both know many people currently and formerly employeed by WWE. There's no reason to doubt any of that. Yeah, but Dave Meltzer could report that the sky was blue in an update, and the smarks wouuld still cry "NEWZ!" Don't expect it to change.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jun 14, 2011 17:00:40 GMT -5
It's not far fetched to believe that it could be true. The WWE has a history of "ribbing" their talent for no reason other than entertaining themselves or to prove a point to the talent. Management isn't blind to Zack's efforts, but for some strange reason, despite getting himself over and developing an entertaining character (isn't that what the "E" stands for?) they refuse to do anything with him. It's frustrating because it just furthers the thought that the WWE wants you to like who they say you should like.
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Post by BigWill on Jun 14, 2011 17:10:48 GMT -5
This entire statement makes absolutely no sense to me. What 9 minute promo that killed the crowd? And don't give me some long ago example, because Ziggler has improved greatly on the mic. Edit: Hell even if you gave me one of his earlier promos, it's a vast exaggeration to say any of them could have been the worst in history. And Dolph Ziggler not being able to ditch Vickie... I don't think I've ever found him more entertaining than when he was on NXT, with no Vickie in sight. I almost felt like I was cheating WWE for being able to get that kind of entertainment for free. He probably means his promo on Pat Patterson in Montreal. It was pretty bad but they gave him bad material to work with. The fact is, they went for cheap heat by having Ziggles bash a local, but the guy they used (Patterson) spent his career as a heel ridiculing the local faces. And people here remember this s***! They don't give a damn about Pat Patterson as a face, they might respect his contribution as a booker, but that doesn't bring you sympathy! So he's basing Ziggler's entire career on one promo with material that not even Chris Jericho could make work. I see now.
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 14, 2011 17:22:17 GMT -5
I wasn't really on the Ryder bandwagon before, but damn this phenomenon is INFECTIOUS! I DEMAND ZACK RYDER! It's like Hoytamania in TNA back in 2004. Lance Hoyt could do no wrong. The end result? The company screwed it up. I expect the same thing here.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jun 14, 2011 17:25:11 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed that Ryder didn't get even a cameo on RAW last night, but then I'd be lying again if I said I was surprised that he didn't.
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 14, 2011 17:31:47 GMT -5
This is ridiculous.
So, a guy is not on RAW, or mind you he's hardly ever on RAW, so the WWE is evil and has something against Zack Ryder. I know it's his hometown, but come on, the WWE isn't an evil entity who strives on making their fan's angry. Last night's RAW was fantastic, sure I would've liked Ryder be on RAW, but he wasn't.
And still, he's a lowcarder, it's WWE "All Star Night." Most of the superstar's tonight were midcard or highcard superstar's, plus they needed to build up Capitol Punishment in the process. What would've happen if he had a cameo, it would'nt had done really nothing except have him on television for 10 second's.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 14, 2011 17:34:42 GMT -5
Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you. It's from Wrestling Observer. Like them or not, it's a revered newsletter and pretty much the pinnacle of wrestling journalism. Bryan and Dave both know many people currently and formerly employeed by WWE. There's no reason to doubt any of that. The fact that they "wrestling journalism" to begin with is reason to doubt them. Anyone who presents a story as illogical in nature and with a source as questionable as that deserves to be doubted.
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Post by clifford on Jun 14, 2011 17:37:46 GMT -5
He's gotten over because of himself, not cause of Creative. He's gotton over with the people who like him despite Creative.
That's why Vince probably hates him
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 14, 2011 17:41:45 GMT -5
Mm-hmm.Uh-huh.Sure, I believe you. It's from Wrestling Observer. Like them or not, it's a revered newsletter and pretty much the pinnacle of wrestling journalism. Bryan and Dave both know many people currently and formerly employeed by WWE. There's no reason to doubt any of that. Dave Meltzer is one of the biggest fraud's in the wrestling business. He's never the first person to come out with a story, and most of his "report's," are either obvious thing's that a 5 year old can think of, or just talking out of his ass, remember Undertaker vs. Brock Lesner at Wrestlemania 27, yeah he was the only idiot talking about it. The fact that people pay 10 dollar's for his newletter just baffles me.
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 14, 2011 17:42:35 GMT -5
He's gotten over because of himself, not cause of Creative. He's gotton over with the people who like him despite Creative. That's why Vince probably hates him Didn't Steve Austin get over without Creative?
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