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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 18, 2011 9:58:24 GMT -5
I don't see this as Vince appealing to the IWC. Vince could care less what the IWC thinks. Its just good writing. Cena beating Punk would've been the same old crap, nothing new, and would've had NO ONE talking. Punk winning and leaving the WWE without its WWE Championship will surely get them back on ESPN and maybe some mentions on other shows. Bryan winning MITB is a fine idea, since Bryan is one of their best wrestlers, and he does have a consistent following. How are you gonna make a "title can switch on DQ or bad call" without having the title switch on DQ or a bad call? It furthers the Christian/Orton storyline, and hey, Christian has been with the company this long, he's one of their best performers, he deserves the title. Punk, Bryan, and Christian may be IWC fan favorites, but it was the best way to go with the writing then appealing to the IWC. Its something new, something fresh. Something good.
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Post by Fern on Jul 18, 2011 10:01:50 GMT -5
Here's a better question. Why are people obsessed with making sure anyone with a unique point of view shouldn't have one? Exactly Points of view are points of view. Yes, some people like having points of view solely because they see it as them being unique, other people have points of view because of legitimate feelings. Regardless, they're still points of view that they are entitled to, no point of view is worth more or less than another, which is why things such as this wonderful forum exist in the first place. Considering how little thought is in the original argument, I'm sticking with it being by someone who searched for a different view, as opposed to actually having one.
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Post by wcw on Jul 18, 2011 10:03:42 GMT -5
Writing insider stuff and directly to the IWC is an awful idea as seen by Russo's WCW 2000. BUT writing that just so happens to be good and pushes a couple of guys a small segment of the audience likes isn't a bad idea.
Mark my words Daniel Bryan will be the first guy to lose the MITB cash in. Christian's title reign could just be a month or even shorter. And CM Punk winning was just a completely compelling angle it wasn't pandering to the IWC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:05:31 GMT -5
This. If what Punk was doing was only catching on with the imaginary "IWC Hivemind", he wouldn't have gotten any mainstream press and it would be business as usual. Not exactly "imaginary" when you have comments like the following. Why are people obsessed with having a unique point of view? I think that poster was referring to people who wants to be "Unique" so they can say "Look, I'm not going with what the IWC wants I'm so unique" Not that I claim the OP is or isnt one of those types Couple of things, still don't understand wrestling fans on the internet who deride as a whole wrestling fans on the internet but thats a discussion for another day Also, Vince doesn't do anything to appeal to one particular group, he does what will appeal to the most groups at the same time and increase revenue etc. which he feels last night will do Whether hes right or not will be for history to judge
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:05:44 GMT -5
Where is the logic that says people popular on internet message boards can't also be popular with live and TV viewers? People that post on the internet are actually located in a different dimension and have no interaction with anyone else. 100% of the people that attend events don't even own a computer (or a TV, or eat meat)
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Post by Red Lion on Jul 18, 2011 10:06:27 GMT -5
Exactly Points of view are points of view. Yes, some people like having points of view solely because they see it as them being unique, other people have points of view because of legitimate feelings. Regardless, they're still points of view that they are entitled to, no point of view is worth more or less than another, which is why things such as this wonderful forum exist in the first place. Considering how little thought is in the original argument, I'm sticking with it being by someone who searched for a different view, as opposed to actually having one. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of people who do that, but meh, I think they subconsciously do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:06:58 GMT -5
You know, for a company that hates the Internet and all those that use it, they certainly have a lot of content on their web page.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:10:02 GMT -5
I haven't watched the WWE since 2002 (only watching YouTube clips here and there and reading this forum). I am the dictionary definition of a casual fan who got driven away in 2002 with the botched InVasion and HHH super push.......and even I am intrigued by this storyline. I actually sought out to watch Punk/Cena this morning before work (found it on a site). I usually hate worked shoots as they generally lead no where and just expose the business to the point where suspending belief becomes pointless, but in this case Punk and McMahon did a good job with it. Punk is playing a very good character right now because I am one of those people who hate where I work, so seeing a character go on TV and say to his boss "you treated me like shit for years and now I'm going to leave on my own terms with your prized property" is an incredibly relatable character, IMO. Just like everyone wanted to be a superhero like Hogan in the 80's, or a anti-authority rebel like Austin in the 90's, or a 'too cool for this place' character like The Rock in 98-03, I think Punk's character can reach a wide audience because fans can look at his character and say "man I wish I could do that/be that". Those are the characters that make money.
So after nearly a decade I will be tuning in to Raw to see what the outcome of his storyline is. Chances are I will go back to not caring after it is over, but for me to get interested in something that doesn't involve Hogan, The Rock, etc, is incredible. I never thought I would.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 18, 2011 10:12:50 GMT -5
Considering how little thought is in the original argument, I'm sticking with it being by someone who searched for a different view, as opposed to actually having one. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of people who do that, but meh, I think they subconsciously do it. A lot of time, it's in a wrestler's personality or character. NOBODY, not even the Almighty CM Punk is going to appeal to 100% of the audience, just like Steve Austin didn't appeal to 100% of the audience, just like Hulk Hogan didn't appeal to 100% of the audience. It's a mistake to assume that someone's just forcing themselves to be a contrarian because they don't like who the majority does. Not everyone who doesn't like a popular wrestler is wanting to be an internet martyr.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 18, 2011 10:15:38 GMT -5
There's having a differing opinion and then there's outright spreading disinformation.
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Post by Red Lion on Jul 18, 2011 10:16:32 GMT -5
Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of people who do that, but meh, I think they subconsciously do it. A lot of time, it's in a wrestler's personality or character. NOBODY, not even the Almighty CM Punk is going to appeal to 100% of the audience, just like Steve Austin didn't appeal to 100% of the audience, just like Hulk Hogan didn't appeal to 100% of the audience. It's a mistake to assume that someone's just forcing themselves to be a contrarian because they don't like who the majority does. Not everyone who doesn't like a popular wrestler is wanting to be an internet martyr. Indeed, it can be a blurry line sometimes though, because there are a few people that blatantly do it. It happens more often in music, when someone's favourite band gets so popular that suddenly they suck, when sometimes the musical style of the band has differed little to none.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 18, 2011 10:20:00 GMT -5
Why are people obsessed with having a unique point of view? Randy Orton has slightly-less-than amazing thighs. You take that back! You take that back right now! It may not be the right way to go, time will tell, but I'm diggin' it; so I don't really care. Right now, this very second, things are awesome from my perspective.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 18, 2011 10:39:11 GMT -5
It wasn't to give the Internet wrestling community a show they wanted. It's logical progression. It just happened to involve people the Internet fans love.
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Post by King Boo on Jul 18, 2011 10:44:52 GMT -5
God, why can't we all just be regular fans? You know, where one "type" isn't more important than others? Some of use the internet, some of us don't. Some of us watch both shows, some of us watch one, some of us just keep tabs and check in when something piques our interest. Some of us like CM Punk or Daniel Bryan or [insert name here] and some of us don't. Trying to smish everyone into this tiny little niche box and then subsequently arguing about it is exhausting and it sucks the fun out of everything.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 18, 2011 10:51:41 GMT -5
Was Wrestlemania 21 appealing to the internet fans too? Was that show the wrong way to go?
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Post by eJm on Jul 18, 2011 10:53:53 GMT -5
God, why can't we all just be regular fans? You know, where one "type" isn't more important than others? Some of use the internet, some of us don't. Some of us watch both shows, some of us watch one, some of us just keep tabs and check in when something piques our interest. Some of us like CM Punk or Daniel Bryan or [insert name here] and some of us don't. Trying to smish everyone into this tiny little niche box and then subsequently arguing about it is exhausting and it sucks the fun out of everything. I've been saying this for years. It's out of date, it's dumb and the fact people still have this idea of hive minds and crap is ridiculous to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:54:20 GMT -5
Was Wrestlemania 21 appealing to the internet fans too? Was that show the wrong way to go? Personally I think their stupid decision with all the booking of the worst 'Mania (XVII) started the downfall of wrestling. That show was only loved by the eighteen of us involved in the Internet Wrestling Crowd TM*sarcasmathon*
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jul 18, 2011 10:57:13 GMT -5
Okay... I have realized that, as I no longer go to any live indy shows, I never followed indy wrestling much, and I despise TNA's product most of the time - I am a WWE fan. Punk is the best thing going today. Explain.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jul 18, 2011 11:01:59 GMT -5
I will reiterate this as well. John Cena has millions of likes on Facebook, and 700 thousand Twitter followers.
Why is he not an "internet darling"? CM Punk isnt even close to him for followers.
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Post by MGH on Jul 18, 2011 11:05:03 GMT -5
I can't help but laugh at this idea of the "IWC". As though every fan who goes to live events and cheers John Cena or has never even heard of ROH never visits the internet. They aren't internet wrestling fans. No, those people are apparently barricaded in their basements making troll noises at their TVs when Mark Henry comes out.
I like CM Punk. I like John Cena. I don't care for Alberto Del Rio. I don't care for Randy Orton. I don't really like Rey or Evan Bourne a great deal. I dislike as many people as I like in Ring of Honor.
So what lazy generalization do I fall under? Or am I just some weird outcast?
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