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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Jul 18, 2011 15:16:38 GMT -5
Just cause Punk and D-Bryan win its a IWC ppv...psssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh C'mon man!
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 18, 2011 15:49:51 GMT -5
So tired of the "IWC" tag. We just happen to be FANS...that use the internet more so than kids and casual fans. Jeez. Besides, I didn't see Evan Bourne winning the Raw MitB match...did you?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 18, 2011 16:10:43 GMT -5
I definitely did misspeak. I don't think Sin Cara has a drug problem, however they probably wouldn't have to deal with drug issues with Daniel Bryan in regards to pushing him to the future, though you could probably say the same for most guys in Money in the Bank. I guess it was a bad choice of words. I do not think Sin Cara has a drug problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 16:25:23 GMT -5
I am the opposite of the stereotypical "IWC" fan (my favs of all-time are Hogan, Warrior, and Rock....), and the fact that I like CM Punk now is a testament to how good of a storyline this is and how this angle has little to do with pleasing the internet. It might have been a wink to the net with all the insider terms, but the crux of the storyline goes much deeper than that and that's why I think it is working. Like i said, we are in a recession, and a guy who feels disrespected by his boss is telling his employer to stick it while basically holding the company hostage during the end of his contract. You know how many people would love to be in Punk's shoes (kayfabe-wise) today? A lot of adults can relate to that, and wish they could be in that position. That is why Austin worked, and that is why Punk might be able to become a top player now. A very relatable character that everyone wants to be. Once you find that character, push it to the moon. And this coming from someone who one month ago barely knew how Punk looked.
The WWE was capable of this in the 80's and 1997-2001, although this is the first worked shoot angle that I can remember working even slightly. Enjoy it.
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Post by gnr123 on Jul 18, 2011 16:35:07 GMT -5
It wasn't long until someone said soemthing bad about last night. Bryan and Del Rio winning MITB, Christian winning the World Championship, and CM Punk leaving the WWE Championship, all thing's the IWC would've love to see a few day's ago. After it happen's, it's bad.
Typical IWC, not knowing what they want.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 18, 2011 16:40:59 GMT -5
Actually, aside from the fact that Punk's segments on Raw drew a lot more than any segment without him (including Cena's match), there's also the fact that Cena and Orton's drawing power just isn't what they used to be. The WWE has been limping along for a while now, with steadily decreasing buyrates and ratings that are constant to slowly dropping. Orton getting the belt has historically led to a small decline in ratings, and Cena holding it isn't giving them a spike by any means. The big spike they've had was from bringing back The Rock, and that's not something they could, or should, do every week.
THey're in no danger of going under, but they are in a spot where they need to try something new. If they're smart, they know that there's an audience out there that does like several people who weren't being used significantly, and it's worth a try to see if they can bring them in.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jul 18, 2011 16:47:42 GMT -5
Last year was the "youth movement", and that didn't draw. The year before that was the whole "celebrity guest host" nonsense that was intended to draw in mainstream viewers, and that didn't draw either.
WWE's flailing around for ideas, and this year they're desperate enough that they've decided to see if maybe those incredibly vocal twats on the internet who complain about everything actually have a point. We'll see how it pans out and what sort of numbers it draws.
For now, I just encourage all the Punk/Bryan/Christian fans to enjoy the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 16:50:06 GMT -5
It wasn't long until someone said soemthing bad about last night. Bryan and Del Rio winning MITB, Christian winning the World Championship, and CM Punk leaving the WWE Championship, all thing's the IWC would've love to see a few day's ago. After it happen's, it's bad. Typical IWC, not knowing what they want. For the most part, everyones extremely postive. There are a few naysayers, but I haven't seen such collective joy in a long while. And not just here either. A few Cena marks are upset (understandably, I would be too if my affiliations were reversed), but overall people are loving this. Its all good gravy .
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Jul 18, 2011 16:51:49 GMT -5
Last year was the "youth movement", and that didn't draw. The year before that was the whole "celebrity guest host" nonsense that was intended to draw in mainstream viewers, and that didn't draw either. WWE's flailing around for ideas, and this year they're desperate enough that they've decided to see if maybe those incredibly vocal twats on the internet who complain about everything actually have a point. We'll see how it pans out and what sort of numbers it draws. For now, I just encourage all the Punk/Bryan/Christian fans to enjoy the ride. Funny how the "common" wrestling fan reacts to these guys too hmmmm...the whole internet catering/storyline mumbo jumbo is just that, mumbo jumbo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 16:53:35 GMT -5
Last year was the "youth movement", and that didn't draw. The year before that was the whole "celebrity guest host" nonsense that was intended to draw in mainstream viewers, and that didn't draw either. WWE's flailing around for ideas, and this year they're desperate enough that they've decided to see if maybe those incredibly vocal twats on the internet who complain about everything actually have a point. We'll see how it pans out and what sort of numbers it draws. For now, I just encourage all the Punk/Bryan/Christian fans to enjoy the ride. They all drew in that the ratings kept the consistent pattern of the last decade. Big bump in the build and aftermath of Wrestlemania, it dies down in the summer months (where WWE usually does more hardcore related programming such as Nexus, Raw is Anarchy and now this), before a the big names get pushes around autumn. This isn't a new pattern in any way, and I've no doubt it'll die down by October, but isn't that the point of wrestling? You have hot angles with a beginning, a middle and an end and then the next one starts? We're in the midst of a story that has just begun and regardless of how it ends, the journey has the potential to be incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 16:54:09 GMT -5
If it sold well (which it probably did) and ratings go up a little (which they probably will)...do you think that could actually be accepted?
I'm guessing the next week more posts happen about the IWC minority, how vince doesn't book for us etc, and how anything that happened in a previous context just plain didn't happen.
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Post by JDviant on Jul 18, 2011 16:59:14 GMT -5
I don't see Christian as being an IWC thing; I see him as appealing to us fans still around from the Attitude Era. And even thats not why I think he's champ. I think its just because he's a popular, solid hand who's been popular since his return.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 18, 2011 17:09:57 GMT -5
I've been largely out of WWE for a while now. I check the results, I tune into Raw (which no matter when I happen to flip it on seems to be a Divas match, so I turn it off), come here and read what you guys have to say.
So I was doing all that, when this Punk "shoot" stuff happened. It drew back in to watch what he was doing, I ordered a PPV I had no interest in outside of the end result.
I am hooked now. I want to tune into Raw to see what happens next. Right now I feel they have a hot angle, they can knock it out of the park, or maybe it goes foul. Right now the ball is in the air and I'm anxious to see where it lands.
The IWC is a made up, phony idea, with no actual definition Most people are on the Internet now in some form or another, especially with computers being cheap and smartphones. If you think the average wrestling fan isn't checking out wrestling sites after whatever the f*** they normally do, you're insane.
I don't even particularly like anyone on the roster at the moment, but I come here and talk about wrestling. So am I IWC or not?
IWC, there is no such thing.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 18, 2011 17:26:21 GMT -5
I'm just tried of being told that b/c I love wrestling enough to read and post about it online, that my opinion doesn't matter. Apparently the fact that I am a huge fan and happen to own a computer makes me a part of the minority.
Do you think the arena last night was filled with internet nerds? If the IWC is only 5% of WWE's fanbase, then at least half of the IWC must have been in the building last night. Oh, and last Monday.
Just because Smarks or the IWC or whatever label you want to use likes something, doesn't mean that "casual" fans are going to dislike it. As others have said, just look at Austin. Look at Rock. Look at most of the product from 2000. Not saying that those things were all universally loved, but they appealed to more than just one type of fan. Punk can do the same. Bryan can do the same. Hell, Cena could do the same if he always wrestled like he did last night.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 18, 2011 17:37:27 GMT -5
I don't think Christian, Punk and Danielson are solely appealing to just the internet fans.
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Post by celticjobber on Jul 18, 2011 17:48:28 GMT -5
The IWC is a made up, phony idea, with no actual definition Most people are on the Internet now in some form or another, especially with computers being cheap and smartphones. If you think the average wrestling fan isn't checking out wrestling sites after whatever the f*** they normally do, you're insane. I don't even particularly like anyone on the roster at the moment, but I come here and talk about wrestling. So am I IWC or not? IWC, there is no such thing. Actually, I know only about 5 or 6 wrestling fans (outside of the internet). But none of them get online to find out information or news. They just watch TV and take what happens at face value. It's just like with any tv show, there are people who like the show and watch every week, and a minority who are super fans and want to find out every last detail and/or discuss it on a forum like this one.
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Post by Killah Ray on Jul 18, 2011 18:17:13 GMT -5
There are millions of WWE fans around the world...I'm sure a lot of them have internet access...
Thus they are wrestling fans on the internet...
IWC = Internet Wrestling Community
Thus just because Punk and etc won doesn't mean that the WWE is appealing to the IWC....hell they've always been doing it...
The correct term is WWE is appealing to the smark crowd....
Sorry for the rant it's just been bothering me lately...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 18, 2011 18:18:52 GMT -5
Even the 'smark crowd' has varied interests and isn't all some sorta Borg collective though; the distinction of the IWC makes less and less sense with each passing year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 18:52:29 GMT -5
When I think of "internet" stereotypes, I think of crowds that were in the original ECW, who were telling Brian Pillman not to "work" them when he debuted in the company, and chanting "you can't wrestle" to guys like Cena, etc. Those types of fans do exist. Pretending they don't is naive.
Although, CM Punk winning last night was just building towards an angle, not to appease those fans.
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Post by Red Lion on Jul 18, 2011 18:55:26 GMT -5
Nothing can "appeal" to the IWC anyway, the IWC is not a single entity with a single opinion. This is why we will "never entirely be pleased".
But that's NOT a negative thing. You'd rather us all have the same opinion?
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