Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jul 6, 2011 0:05:49 GMT -5
If Kaitlyn learned how to work, she could be a pretty big star. Her look is... unique, but attractive. She'd be like Chyna but with a cute face and awesome personality. {Spoiler}And her "home movies" wouldn't be bad either.  |
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Post by Jingus on Jul 6, 2011 0:10:35 GMT -5
You aren't showing me anything. It looks like a perfectly good finisher. ... As a noob, I understand that I might be getting trolled here. Can any veteran poster explain how things work? Because when I post a video showing Alicia botching her finisher a half-dozen different ways, especially that first video where she accidentally kicked Kaitlyn right in the face... does anyone else here see that and say "yes sir, that's damn fine work!"? Fox is so bad at doing that move that I can't comprehend the idea that someone would actually think she's executing it well. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 6, 2011 0:13:31 GMT -5
Kaitlyn's not really blond though. She's really a brunette who dyed her hair in weird places. Kaitlyn is awesome and not really generic. Her and AJ have quite a lot of personality and charisma. Kaitlyn still needs some work in terms of in-ring ability. But she's getting there. Lol charisma. Kaitlyn has no charisma, she has personality. There's a difference. Someone can have charisma and no personality and vice versa. Kaitlyn's promos are HORRIBLE and she looks so confused and lost sometimes, especially during her entrance. And as for Alicia botching the Axe Kick on Kaitlyn, that was Kaitlyn's fault. You'll see she's supposed to be bent over, but picks her head/neck up a slight amount before Alicia hits her and it made the move go wrong. Alicia still sucks at her finisher, but that instance wasn't completely her fault. |
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Post by JACK on Jul 6, 2011 0:15:58 GMT -5
Yeah I remember her saying something about this on twitter. I don't think there was anything wrong though and she was just making sure everything was ok, since she was back in the ring the next day.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Jul 6, 2011 0:38:59 GMT -5
I think there's also a bit of a double-standard when it comes to the divas in general, and not just the models. For example, you have divas who have never injured anyone, but pull off an occasional move that's less than crisp, and she's considered a danger to herself and others. Then you got someone like Rey Mysterio, who is considered by many to be one of the greatest cruiserweights the WWE has ever had, and he's injured himself and others numerous times over the years. And then you have people shouting out bathroom break, even before a divas match begins, despite the fact that there have been many decent divas matches in the past, but will try and think up an excuse as to why certain superstar matches ended up sucking.
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Post by Jingus on Jul 6, 2011 1:05:59 GMT -5
For example, you have divas who have never injured anyone, but pull off an occasional move that's less than crisp, and she's considered a danger to herself and others. Then you got someone like Rey Mysterio, who is considered by many to be one of the greatest cruiserweights the WWE has ever had, and he's injured himself and others numerous times over the years. The difference is, Rey Mysterio tries stuff in the ring which is so risky and complicated that none of the divas could do it. If girls like Alicia Fox were attempting to do Rey Mysterio spots, we'd see a lot more injuries. |
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Post by alabastergrim on Jul 6, 2011 1:08:55 GMT -5
Wait a tick...when did Maryse get this "interesting personality"?
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Post by wcw on Jul 6, 2011 1:20:44 GMT -5
What the f*** is this hate with blondes? I love blondes and hell the WWE has made it clear that the divas are filler so why should you hate it if they stack the division with pretty woman?
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Post by BigWill on Jul 6, 2011 1:33:36 GMT -5
For example, you have divas who have never injured anyone, but pull off an occasional move that's less than crisp, and she's considered a danger to herself and others. Then you got someone like Rey Mysterio, who is considered by many to be one of the greatest cruiserweights the WWE has ever had, and he's injured himself and others numerous times over the years. The difference is, Rey Mysterio tries stuff in the ring which is so risky and complicated that none of the divas could do it. If girls like Alicia Fox were attempting to do Rey Mysterio spots, we'd see a lot more injuries. And a statement like this just kind of proves the point I was making in my last post. |
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 6, 2011 2:32:58 GMT -5
The difference is, Rey Mysterio tries stuff in the ring which is so risky and complicated that none of the divas could do it. If girls like Alicia Fox were attempting to do Rey Mysterio spots, we'd see a lot more injuries. And a statement like this just kind of proves the point I was making in my last post. People get injured. Like someone said, wrestling is a sport where getting hurt is an inevitability. And sometimes they happen when you least expect it. Did Kevin Nash expect to blow out his quad walking across the ring? Nope. Did Hayabusa expect to break his neck when he was going for a lionsault/quebreda? I doubt it. Did D'lo Brown expect to put Droz in a wheelchair while delivering a move he had delivered before? Absolutely not. Yeah, Rey has injured himself and plenty of other wrestlers, but has he ever done it due to lack of experience? You have seen him wrestle right? He's rarely works that sloppy. And hey, not everybody can pull off a picture perfect dropkick every time. Sometimes you're gonna get less height then you want. Sometimes you're gonna kick the guy in the face. We're all human and we all make mistakes. But the chances are that a veteran is going to have drastically less of a chance of doing that than an inexperienced rookie. And it's not just the divas either. Tell me. Who would you feel more comfortable working with? Rey Mysterio or... Jacob Novak? Lance Storm or Ricky Ortiz? Randy Orton or David Flair? The difference between Rey and Alicia is that Rey has instincts to where he can cover a mistake like that far better than Fox could. The latter would probably just do the same spot again in hopes of making people forget about the previous flub. Say I'm going to hire someone to help build a building with me. A very difficult project that I want done in the best way possible. Am I gonna be more comfortable working with the experienced veteran who has built thousands of buildings and who has had a few accidents before or am I gonna go with the green rookie who has barely built anything before and isn't known for having the best craftsmanship anyway? So yes. There is a double standard... between people with experience and people without. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 2:38:57 GMT -5
And a statement like this just kind of proves the point I was making in my last post. Did Hayabusa expect to break his neck when he was going for a shooting star press? I doubt it. Did D'lo Brown expect to put Droz in a wheelchair while delivering a move he had delivered before? Absolutely not. Hayabusa was going for a lionsault/quebrada. The sad thing is, both injuries could have been prevented, as the rope was too tight for Hayabusa's lionsault and it's been said that D'lo slipped a bit on trash thrown into the ring. |
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 6, 2011 2:49:03 GMT -5
Did Hayabusa expect to break his neck when he was going for a shooting star press? I doubt it. Did D'lo Brown expect to put Droz in a wheelchair while delivering a move he had delivered before? Absolutely not. Hayabusa was going for a lionsault/quebrada. The sad thing is, both injuries could have been prevented, as the rope was too tight for Hayabusa's lionsault and it's been said that D'lo slipped a bit on trash thrown into the ring. Ah, my mistake. Thanks for the correction. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 6, 2011 8:41:08 GMT -5
Kaitlyn's not really blond though. She's really a brunette who dyed her hair in weird places. Kaitlyn is awesome and not really generic. Her and AJ have quite a lot of personality and charisma. Kaitlyn still needs some work in terms of in-ring ability. But she's getting there. Lol charisma. Kaitlyn has no charisma, she has personality. There's a difference. Someone can have charisma and no personality and vice versa. Kaitlyn's promos are HORRIBLE and she looks so confused and lost sometimes, especially during her entrance. I'll have to disagree with you then I guess. I certainly see some charisma in her. Perhaps our definitions of charisma differ. I'm not suggesting she is Roddy Piper or The Rock or something. Just that she naturally seems to have a certain amount of individuality and charm that seems like a good basis for a pro wrestler. Also, similarly to your point charisma doesn't necessarily equal great mic skills. See, for example, Jeff Hardy and Randy Orton. Charisma is intangible. |
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Post by potpie on Jul 6, 2011 10:58:43 GMT -5
The reason people hate Alicia's move I think is not because "it's dangerous", it's (in my opinion) absolutely awful. It's slow, the other person has to lower her head significantly because she can't jump, and it's been done in several variations by a lot of other people (and for the record, I hate when they do it too). Judo and aikido has 5000+ plus moves in their arsenal, wrestling probably just as much (including submissions). WHY can't somebody in the organization get off their ass and show each girl a move that'd take 5 minutes to learn??? It's not that people on her are "hating" on blondes- they hate that NOBODY is doing the job of properly training them. People aren't witch hunting so much as fearing what happens if/when a diva gets critically injured.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 6, 2011 12:33:42 GMT -5
McCool suffered a ton of injures, but was she ever considered to be one of those "fragile" girls? She got hurt enough to deserve it, but was she looked at that way? NO, becuase people were too busy bagging on her with the MICHELLECANHAZCHEZEBURGER! and Skeletor comments to notice. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 6, 2011 12:38:13 GMT -5
The problem is that it's being said about girls who aren't injuring their opponents. How long do you have to go without injuring another wrestler before people stop saying how dangerous you are? And there is a double standard between the "wrestlers" and the "models". I can only imagine the s--- Kelly Kelly would get if suddenly tore her ACL in the ring when no one was near her. To be fair, Kevin Nash got a ton of sh** for tearing his quad walking across the ring. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2011 12:43:37 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that a number of the so called model Divas have an athletic background.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 12:47:49 GMT -5
The problem is that it's being said about girls who aren't injuring their opponents. How long do you have to go without injuring another wrestler before people stop saying how dangerous you are? And there is a double standard between the "wrestlers" and the "models". I can only imagine the s--- Kelly Kelly would get if suddenly tore her ACL in the ring when no one was near her. To be fair, Kevin Nash got a ton of sh** for tearing his quad walking across the ring. Of course he got a ton of s--- for it. He "can't wrestle". If you "can wrestle" and you trip and break something, every excuse in the world is made for you. It's funny, a few weeks ago, there was a post on this board where multiple people said a good worker is someone who connects with the audience while having a good in-ring safety track record. Yet, plenty of wrestlers who fit that description are ripped apart all the time. |
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 6, 2011 12:48:37 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that a number of the so called model Divas have an athletic background. Keep in mind as well that professional wrestling is one of the more taxing activities that you can perform on your body. Taking bumps every night and putting all that stress on your body. Not every cheerleader or fitness model can make the transition to wrestler. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2011 12:51:38 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that a number of the so called model Divas have an athletic background. Keep in mind as well that professional wrestling is one of the more taxing activities that you can perform on your body. Taking bumps every night and putting all that stress on your body. Not every cheerleader or fitness model can make the transition to wrestler. Then that holds true for everyone. Not just the Divas. |
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