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Post by ronin705 on Jul 5, 2011 15:41:15 GMT -5
I just love how every guy is s***ting all over Rock at the moment. As I said before...I guess it smarts when an old guy comes in and outdraws everyone. I think it smarts to see the powers that be falling over each other to kiss an actor's ass, when they won't even give the average wrestler anything more than a cookie cutter gimmick, generic tights, lines off a script, and nearly zero creative control of their own character. I think it smarts that guys like Punk and Cena, along with so many other "irrelevant" members of the roster, bust their ass for fans who flock to an actor who hasn't been on the grind like that in nearly ten years. I think it smarts that wrestlers these days are more tethered than an after-school program and are practically punished for trying to work around management, yet they're the ones people point the fingers at when they talk about how the product can't and/or won't measure up to an era gilded and canonized by time. Regardless of whether they were out of line or not, they have a point, a good point. No amount of nostalgia erases the fact that they're putting their necks (often literally) on the line 300 days a year, and they're all going to take a backseat to an actor. So that gives them the right to act like little girls about the subject? Vince made the choice to have Rock headline Wrestlemania, if they have a problem it should be with him. But i guarantee not one of those guys have the spaldings to actually step to Vince about it, so instead opt to go at the guy who was able to make it out the game. Not at the guy who can show and bury the roster saying no one's on his level (HHH), but the guy who's still gonna end up putting cena over at wrestlemania. They need to really grow the f*** up over there at wwe
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jul 5, 2011 15:42:46 GMT -5
I think it smarts to see the powers that be falling over each other to kiss an actor's ass, when they won't even give the average wrestler anything more than a cookie cutter gimmick, generic tights, lines off a script, and nearly zero creative control of their own character. I think it smarts that guys like Punk and Cena, along with so many other "irrelevant" members of the roster, bust their ass for fans who flock to an actor who hasn't been on the grind like that in nearly ten years. I think it smarts that wrestlers these days are more tethered than an after-school program and are practically punished for trying to work around management, yet they're the ones people point the fingers at when they talk about how the product can't and/or won't measure up to an era gilded and canonized by time. Regardless of whether they were out of line or not, they have a point, a good point. No amount of nostalgia erases the fact that they're putting their necks (often literally) on the line 300 days a year, and they're all going to take a backseat to an actor. So that gives them the right to act like little girls about the subject? Vince made the choice to have Rock headline Wrestlemania, if they have a problem it should be with him. But i guarantee not one of those guys have the spaldings to actually step to Vince about it, so instead opt to go at the guy who was able to make it out the game. Not at the guy who can show and bury the roster saying no one's on his level (HHH), but the guy who's still gonna end up putting cena over at wrestlemania. They need to really grow the f*** up over there at wwe They could simply be playing with the crowd's emotions. Besides, Cena is facing The Rock at Wrestlemania. It makes sense for him to trash him to build heat. As for Punk, this is him simply being him.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 15:44:30 GMT -5
What does HHH have to do with that? He didn't even bury the roster. Thats so overblown.
The hostility with the Rock is likely more to do with the way he distanced himself from Wrestler for years, THEN come back and get main events, and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event to set up next years match.
Plus they're building up a match.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 5, 2011 15:44:50 GMT -5
So that gives them the right to act like little girls about the subject? Vince made the choice to have Rock headline Wrestlemania, if they have a problem it should be with him. But i guarantee not one of those guys have the spaldings to actually step to Vince about it, so instead opt to go at the guy who was able to make it out the game. Not at the guy who can show and bury the roster saying no one's on his level (HHH), but the guy who's still gonna end up putting cena over at wrestlemania. They need to really grow the f*** up over there at wwe They could simply be playing with the crowd's emotions. Besides, Cena is facing The Rock at Wrestlemania. It makes sense for him to trash him to build heat. As for Punk, this is him simply being him. This
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Post by Prince Petty on Jul 5, 2011 15:46:03 GMT -5
Jealousy is an ugly emotion.
But when Cena and Punk (if he's still with the company) check their bank balances after the Wrestlemania pay out, I'm sure they'll feel like giving 'Dwayne' a call and thanking him.
Both of them should see this as a huge opportunity to impress while as many people are paying attention as possible. Because Wrestlemania 28 is going to garner more publicity for the WWE, thanks to 'Dwayne' wrestling, than anything since... well... since Benoit.
I'm not really sure where anyone is "suffering" because The Rock is going to be in the Wrestlemania main event. Certainly, Cena isn't suffering, given that he's going to be the likely winner of the biggest match since Rock vs Hogan at Wrestlemania 18. So The Rock is taking a spot that might have been filled by Punk, or Orton, or someone else who would draw a fraction of the money and interest? Well that's just too bad. Those guys will have to make do with competing on the undercard, for this one night.
Of course, if this is prepping for Punk to get involved in the storyline (though why they'd bother with that on a non-televised overseas tour, I don't know) then fair enough. It could be interesting to have Punk in there as a wild card. Not in the actual match, but in the storyline.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 15:48:09 GMT -5
But when Cena and Punk (if he's still with the company) check their bank balances after the Wrestlemania pay out, I'm sure they'll feel like giving 'Dwayne' a call and thanking him. You make it sound like they're low on cash or something. Like Cena cares about the payday when he'll just make a bright yellow shirt and watch the money pile up.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 5, 2011 15:59:05 GMT -5
The hostility with the Rock is likely more to do with the way he distanced himself from Wrestler for years, THEN come back and get main events, and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event to set up next years match. Basically my point. He isn't the first person to walk away from the bidness, and he certainly won't be the last. But consider this; prior to earlier this year, he didn't even want to be associated with pro-wrestling. He didn't even want to be known as a former wrestler! Brock Lesnar hasn't distanced himself from wrestling like that, and in the UFC, that's actually something that can be thrown in his face, has- by Velasquez and Mir, along with numerous fans and keyboard warriors who've stepped in neither ring nor octagon.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 16:04:08 GMT -5
Also, the Rock came back and mocked Cena, with the "We went from Rock and Austin to THIS GUY!!!" comment.
And since Cena is the face of this era, I can imagine other guys not appreciating that. Regardless of how many "Attitude >> ALL" fans there are, they still have pride in themselves and their co workers.
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Post by ronin705 on Jul 5, 2011 16:04:12 GMT -5
What does HHH have to do with that? He didn't even bury the roster. Thats so overblown. The hostility with the Rock is likely more to do with the way he distanced himself from Wrestler for years, THEN come back and get main events, and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event to set up next years match. Plus they're building up a match. the rock isn't really a person you can just throw into a midcard feud if you know what i mean. Of course he's gonna be somewhere near the top, he's cemented that position for years now no matter what. People like Orton need to shut up, cuz ROCK along with mick foley put them over at a wrestlemania, but most of these guys are just salty. As for building up the match, Cena looks like a punk talking about the guy when he's nowhere to be seen. Also its been said Cena coulda put his foot down on the outcome of Wrestlemania, but he WANTS this match, so he let rock be booked as the saboteur. wwe made things as it is, so why the hell are they complaining?
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 16:06:20 GMT -5
What does HHH have to do with that? He didn't even bury the roster. Thats so overblown. The hostility with the Rock is likely more to do with the way he distanced himself from Wrestler for years, THEN come back and get main events, and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event to set up next years match. Plus they're building up a match. the rock isn't really a person you can just throw into a midcard feud if you know what i mean. Of course he's gonna be somewhere near the top, he's cemented that position for years now no matter what. People like Orton need to shut up, cuz ROCK along with mick foley put them over at a wrestlemania, but most of these guys are just salty. As for building up the match, Cena looks like a punk talking about the guy when he's nowhere to be seen. Also its been said Cena coulda put his foot down on the outcome of Wrestlemania, but he WANTS this match, so he let rock be booked as the saboteur. wwe made things as it is, so why the hell are they complaining? Cena is trash talking a guy he's going to have a big wrestlemania match against. I wonder why he would do that??
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 5, 2011 16:07:44 GMT -5
But when Cena and Punk (if he's still with the company) check their bank balances after the Wrestlemania pay out, I'm sure they'll feel like giving 'Dwayne' a call and thanking him. You make it sound like they're low on cash or something. Like Cena cares about the payday when he'll just make a bright yellow shirt and watch the money pile up. I'm sure they cared about their payouts from the last couple of PPV's, where they all probably got aroun $20.
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Post by theryno665 on Jul 5, 2011 16:08:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who read the thread title and thought Punk and Cena started making out in an attempt to apologize for their homophobic insults?
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Jul 5, 2011 16:11:49 GMT -5
Cena and Punk turning heel on Vince anytime soon? Two-Man Power Trip II
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 5, 2011 17:16:24 GMT -5
What does HHH have to do with that? He didn't even bury the roster. Thats so overblown. The hostility with the Rock is likely more to do with the way he distanced himself from Wrestler for years, THEN come back and get main events, and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event to set up next years match. Plus they're building up a match. the rock isn't really a person you can just throw into a midcard feud if you know what i mean. Of course he's gonna be somewhere near the top, he's cemented that position for years now no matter what. People like Orton need to shut up, cuz ROCK along with mick foley put them over at a wrestlemania, but most of these guys are just salty. As for building up the match, Cena looks like a punk talking about the guy when he's nowhere to be seen. Also its been said Cena coulda put his foot down on the outcome of Wrestlemania, but he WANTS this match, so he let rock be booked as the saboteur. wwe made things as it is, so why the hell are they complaining? As black and white as it may seem to me and you...I honestly think the reaction took them all by surprise. I guess they thought Rock wouldn't set the world on fire quite like he did upon his return in February. He blew the buyrate well over 1,000,000 and got past fans re-interested in the product. Really they should be thanking their stars he's back, as he'll once again pop the buyrate for next years 'Mania...and the roster will do handsomely from it. I just see it as jealously at least from Orton's comments...because he knows he couldn't draw like that in his wildest dreams.
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Post by sprawl on Jul 5, 2011 18:12:39 GMT -5
People are ignoring that the Rock's capacity to draw isn't simply due to character traits, 'talent', 'hard work'. Cena has been doing this shift for the WWE for just as many years, if not more, than the Rock did, and he will never get the credit the Rock gets, nor do people want to recognise who the 'veteran' is here. The Rock had the fortune of being in the right time and the right place, whereas a guy like Punk would have fit in perfectly ten years ago, but finds himself in an entirely different environment. I'm not sure why he should be untouchable, just because he has been comparatively blessed, therefore a 'big draw'.
As for the poster above me, WM this year drew just over 1,000,000, not well over. WM23 had more buys (Cena/HBK), as did several other shows without the Rock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 18:14:54 GMT -5
But when Cena and Punk (if he's still with the company) check their bank balances after the Wrestlemania pay out, I'm sure they'll feel like giving 'Dwayne' a call and thanking him. You make it sound like they're low on cash or something. Like Cena cares about the payday when he'll just make a bright yellow shirt and watch the money pile up. In wrestling the objective is to make as much money as possible, the Rock in the main event of Wrestlemania virtually guarantees that everyone will make more money.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 18:18:31 GMT -5
You make it sound like they're low on cash or something. Like Cena cares about the payday when he'll just make a bright yellow shirt and watch the money pile up. In wrestling the objective is to make as much money as possible, the Rock in the main event of Wrestlemania virtually guarantees that everyone will make more money. I'm well aware of that. The way the statement was worded like Cena and Punk need to thank Rock, is stupid. And as was said earlier, the Wrestlemania the Cena main evented with HBK had bigger buyrates than any Wrestlemania with the Rock.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 5, 2011 18:20:10 GMT -5
People are ignoring that the Rock's capacity to draw isn't simply due to character traits, 'talent', 'hard work'. Cena has been doing this shift for the WWE for just as many years, if not more, than the Rock did, and he will never get the credit the Rock gets, nor do people want to recognise who the 'veteran' is here. The Rock had the fortune of being in the right time and the right place, whereas a guy like Punk would have fit in perfectly ten years ago, but finds himself in an entirely different environment. I'm not sure why he should be untouchable, just because he has been comparatively blessed, therefore a 'big draw'. As for the poster above me, WM this year drew just over 1,000,000, not well over. WM23 had more buys (Cena/HBK), as did several other shows without the Rock. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your points. However, the business was different 4 years ago to how it is now. This WM was heading to be a huge failure as things stood. Rock came back and propped the business back up albeit for a short time. I also understand your point about him being in the right place at the right time. I totally agree with that. However, what I don't agree with is that there is ill feeling towards him because of that. But it also can't be ignored, that regardless of the fact he was in the right place when he was 'on top'...he still draws more money as it stands now. Also 23 is the highest grossing WM ever, and as stated...WWE have been on a steep decline since then pretty much. It takes a HUGE star to all of a sudden put them back over 1,000,000 buys like that. I'd also argue that WM19 was one of the better looking one's going into the event IMO. That year, they managed just over 500,000 buys. WM19 has Rock/Austin 3. HBK/Y2J, Angle/Lesnar among others. Hell, WM18 did just over 800,000 buys and that had Rock/Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 18:23:13 GMT -5
In wrestling the objective is to make as much money as possible, the Rock in the main event of Wrestlemania virtually guarantees that everyone will make more money. I'm well aware of that. The way the statement was worded like Cena and Punk need to thank Rock, is stupid. And as was said earlier, the Wrestlemania the Cena main evented with HBK had bigger buyrates than any Wrestlemania with the Rock. I understand that you're aware but you make it sound like Cena shouldn't care about a chance to make even more money, because he has insane merchandise sales. I will almost guarantee that WM 28 will do huge buyrates.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jul 5, 2011 18:23:21 GMT -5
It continually baffles me how the Rock/Cena fued is discussed like it's all 100% shoot.
There's no way Cena is going out every night and slating The Rock against the WWE's will.
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