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Post by The Ichi on Jul 5, 2011 18:23:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd just wish Cena would get more original insults against The Rock.
"You left this tough, career shortening buisness and became a millionaire movie star" really isn't one when you stop and think about it
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 5, 2011 18:24:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd just wish Cena would get more original insults against The Rock. "You left this tough, career shortening buisness and became a millionaire movie star" really isn't one when you stop and think about it Sounds congratulatory I'll agree. Also let's look at the WM buyrates. WM 1 : (not listed) WM 2 : 250,000 WM 3 : 400,000 WM 4 : 485,000 WM 5 : 650,000 WM 6 : 550,000 WM 7 : 400,000 WM 8 : 300,000 WM 9 : 400,000 WM 10 : 420,000 WM 11 : 340,000 WM 12 : 290,000 WM 13 : 237,000 WM 14 : 730,000 WM 15 : 800,000 WM 16 : 824 ,000 WM 17 : 1,040,000 WM 18 : 880,000 WM 19 : 560,000 WM 20 : 1,007,000 WM 21 : 1,085,000 WM 22 : 975,000 WM 23 : 1,250,000 WM 24 : 1,041,000 WM 25 : 960,000 WM 26 : 885,000 WM 27 : 1,042,000 That's a huge recovery when you think about it.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 18:26:54 GMT -5
I'm well aware of that. The way the statement was worded like Cena and Punk need to thank Rock, is stupid. And as was said earlier, the Wrestlemania the Cena main evented with HBK had bigger buyrates than any Wrestlemania with the Rock. I understand that you're aware but you make it sound like Cena shouldn't care about a chance to make even more money, because he has insane merchandise sales. I will almost guarantee that WM 28 will do huge buyrates. No, I said that the "Cena and Punk should be thanking him" is stupid. Because they aren't exactly poor like that statement makes them out to be. And if Punk does leave, then that kinda proves the point, that he's well off enough not to need this.
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Post by Piccolo on Jul 5, 2011 18:43:36 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. Why are we assuming that Punk and Cena aren't, at the same time as they're promoting their current story, selling Cena/Rock animosity for the sake of the future match? It looks like everyone thinks they're speaking entirely from the heart here.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 5, 2011 18:44:40 GMT -5
I think its a little bit of both.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 5, 2011 19:07:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd just wish Cena would get more original insults against The Rock. "You left this tough, career shortening buisness and became a millionaire movie star" really isn't one when you stop and think about it Sounds congratulatory I'll agree. He doesn't love the audience enough to stay.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Jul 5, 2011 19:16:24 GMT -5
People are ignoring that the Rock's capacity to draw isn't simply due to character traits, 'talent', 'hard work'. Cena has been doing this shift for the WWE for just as many years, if not more, than the Rock did, and he will never get the credit the Rock gets, nor do people want to recognise who the 'veteran' is here. The Rock had the fortune of being in the right time and the right place, whereas a guy like Punk would have fit in perfectly ten years ago, but finds himself in an entirely different environment. I'm not sure why he should be untouchable, just because he has been comparatively blessed, therefore a 'big draw'. As for the poster above me, WM this year drew just over 1,000,000, not well over. WM23 had more buys (Cena/HBK), as did several other shows without the Rock. Cena won't get that credit so long as he spends his time crying and bitching about the Rock. Rock didn't get to to where he was at because he was at the right place right time on some Affirmative Action BS. He got to where he was at because he was that damn good. Cena, Punk, and Orton don't have to worry about domestic (WCW) and international competition (ex. NJPW); they practically have an audience to themselves and they can't manage to get more viewers on Raw than 10+ years ago? They can't get buyrates to go up without having Donald Trump or Floyd Mayweather on WM? Come on now. Personally, this is where I would get R-Truth involved in this storyline. To bring in a little reality, I remember him saying a while ago that he was influenced by The Rock in his work so this is what I think he would say: "Ya know how I'm talking about a conspiracy? It ain't actor vs. wrestler. It ain't loyalty vs. disloyalty. See, the real conspiracy is those in the club vs. those who ain't. CM Punk whines and bitches about how he's held back. Well, Punk, at least you got regular title shots. At least you got to be a world champion; how many black folks can say that? At least you're given long ass feuds with Taker and Mysterio. What did I get? 2 and 1/2 years of shuckn' and jivin'. Ya know why? Because people like me don't get anything else. If we complain, we either have to leave or we get fired. Ha, last hired and first fired in 2011. Now I'm sure someone's gonna say "But the Rock was WWE champion and he's black!" Oh yeah, he was. They'll say "But he's only half-black" and I'll say "f***, so's our president but let's face it his haters don't care about that. Just a drop of black blood drives their f***in' minds insane." I don't have any race cards but I know what jealousy sounds like. See, Cena, Punk, all the others who bend down and suck up to Vince can't relate to that and that's why they so f***in' mad. They can't stand that not only did Rock come back, but he outshined them again and again. The in-club can't stand that; they're the only ones who deserve to have success. So don't fall for that "Oh we work so hard" bullshit. No, people like them work just as hard as the rest of us, but they'll get all the credit while people like me get called lazy. They'll get the merchandise, but my ass won't get on a t-shirt anytime soon. Cena will keep telling Lil' Jimmy to be a good boy; Punk will bitch at Lil' Jimmy and cry about how he's not on any cups; I'll tell Lil' Jimmy the Truth and nothing but the Truth.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 5, 2011 19:52:12 GMT -5
Why do people get mad when co-workers stick up for each other? It's like when Brett Favre shows up to play for a new team. A bonafide NFL legend with the cred to still hold his own against younger teams. No matter what they did before Brett got there, they also will play second fiddle to him. Favre brings the fans, the media attention, and money to the football franchise, but he keeps dicking around the team with his annual will he/ won't he retirement drama at the end of the season. They have go to all the practices while Brett get to show up before preseason is over. But they know once Favre is gone, they have to rely on each other to rebuild the team.
Rock is going to bring in revenue at Wrestlemania. No doubt about that. But a month later, he's going to back in Hollywood while they are going to be on the road.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 6, 2011 4:45:06 GMT -5
Hahaha....at last, CM Punk has joined our evil empire. He's made a wise choice.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 6, 2011 5:31:50 GMT -5
and basically sabotage a Wrestlemania Main Event Now let's be honest here, Cena and Miz were doing a bang up job at that themselves way before The Rock came out.
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Post by nonrev on Jul 6, 2011 7:00:15 GMT -5
People are ignoring that the Rock's capacity to draw isn't simply due to character traits, 'talent', 'hard work'. Cena has been doing this shift for the WWE for just as many years, if not more, than the Rock did, and he will never get the credit the Rock gets, nor do people want to recognise who the 'veteran' is here. The Rock had the fortune of being in the right time and the right place, whereas a guy like Punk would have fit in perfectly ten years ago, but finds himself in an entirely different environment. I'm not sure why he should be untouchable, just because he has been comparatively blessed, therefore a 'big draw'. As for the poster above me, WM this year drew just over 1,000,000, not well over. WM23 had more buys (Cena/HBK), as did several other shows without the Rock. Cena won't get that credit so long as he spends his time crying and bitching about the Rock. Rock didn't get to to where he was at because he was at the right place right time on some Affirmative Action BS. He got to where he was at because he was that damn good. Cena, Punk, and Orton don't have to worry about domestic (WCW) and international competition (ex. NJPW); they practically have an audience to themselves and they can't manage to get more viewers on Raw than 10+ years ago? They can't get buyrates to go up without having Donald Trump or Floyd Mayweather on WM? Come on now. Personally, this is where I would get R-Truth involved in this storyline. To bring in a little reality, I remember him saying a while ago that he was influenced by The Rock in his work so this is what I think he would say: "Ya know how I'm talking about a conspiracy? It ain't actor vs. wrestler. It ain't loyalty vs. disloyalty. See, the real conspiracy is those in the club vs. those who ain't. CM Punk whines and bitches about how he's held back. Well, Punk, at least you got regular title shots. At least you got to be a world champion; how many black folks can say that? At least you're given long ass feuds with Taker and Mysterio. What did I get? 2 and 1/2 years of shuckn' and jivin'. Ya know why? Because people like me don't get anything else. If we complain, we either have to leave or we get fired. Ha, last hired and first fired in 2011. Now I'm sure someone's gonna say "But the Rock was WWE champion and he's black!" Oh yeah, he was. They'll say "But he's only half-black" and I'll say "f***, so's our president but let's face it his haters don't care about that. Just a drop of black blood drives their f***in' minds insane." I don't have any race cards but I know what jealousy sounds like. See, Cena, Punk, all the others who bend down and suck up to Vince can't relate to that and that's why they so f***in' mad. They can't stand that not only did Rock come back, but he outshined them again and again. The in-club can't stand that; they're the only ones who deserve to have success. So don't fall for that "Oh we work so hard" bulls***. No, people like them work just as hard as the rest of us, but they'll get all the credit while people like me get called lazy. They'll get the merchandise, but my ass won't get on a t-shirt anytime soon. Cena will keep telling Lil' Jimmy to be a good boy; Punk will bitch at Lil' Jimmy and cry about how he's not on any cups; I'll tell Lil' Jimmy the Truth and nothing but the Truth. I like this promo
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 6, 2011 7:04:13 GMT -5
I disagree, the match was going along fine and seemed to be really hotting up with the big barrier bump from Miz.
And then just at that point...cheerio match, time for the angle.
You know sometimes people say something was like the first 10 minutes of a really good 20 minute match? That's how Cena-Miz at WM felt to me.
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Post by Death by Pickles! on Jul 6, 2011 11:29:18 GMT -5
People are ignoring that the Rock's capacity to draw isn't simply due to character traits, 'talent', 'hard work'. Cena has been doing this shift for the WWE for just as many years, if not more, than the Rock did, and he will never get the credit the Rock gets, nor do people want to recognise who the 'veteran' is here. The Rock had the fortune of being in the right time and the right place, whereas a guy like Punk would have fit in perfectly ten years ago, but finds himself in an entirely different environment. I'm not sure why he should be untouchable, just because he has been comparatively blessed, therefore a 'big draw'. As for the poster above me, WM this year drew just over 1,000,000, not well over. WM23 had more buys (Cena/HBK), as did several other shows without the Rock. Cena won't get that credit so long as he spends his time crying and bitching about the Rock. Rock didn't get to to where he was at because he was at the right place right time on some Affirmative Action BS. He got to where he was at because he was that damn good. Cena, Punk, and Orton don't have to worry about domestic (WCW) and international competition (ex. NJPW); they practically have an audience to themselves and they can't manage to get more viewers on Raw than 10+ years ago? They can't get buyrates to go up without having Donald Trump or Floyd Mayweather on WM? Come on now. Personally, this is where I would get R-Truth involved in this storyline. To bring in a little reality, I remember him saying a while ago that he was influenced by The Rock in his work so this is what I think he would say: "Ya know how I'm talking about a conspiracy? It ain't actor vs. wrestler. It ain't loyalty vs. disloyalty. See, the real conspiracy is those in the club vs. those who ain't. CM Punk whines and bitches about how he's held back. Well, Punk, at least you got regular title shots. At least you got to be a world champion; how many black folks can say that? At least you're given long ass feuds with Taker and Mysterio. What did I get? 2 and 1/2 years of shuckn' and jivin'. Ya know why? Because people like me don't get anything else. If we complain, we either have to leave or we get fired. Ha, last hired and first fired in 2011. Now I'm sure someone's gonna say "But the Rock was WWE champion and he's black!" Oh yeah, he was. They'll say "But he's only half-black" and I'll say "f***, so's our president but let's face it his haters don't care about that. Just a drop of black blood drives their f***in' minds insane." I don't have any race cards but I know what jealousy sounds like. See, Cena, Punk, all the others who bend down and suck up to Vince can't relate to that and that's why they so f***in' mad. They can't stand that not only did Rock come back, but he outshined them again and again. The in-club can't stand that; they're the only ones who deserve to have success. So don't fall for that "Oh we work so hard" bulls***. No, people like them work just as hard as the rest of us, but they'll get all the credit while people like me get called lazy. They'll get the merchandise, but my ass won't get on a t-shirt anytime soon. Cena will keep telling Lil' Jimmy to be a good boy; Punk will bitch at Lil' Jimmy and cry about how he's not on any cups; I'll tell Lil' Jimmy the Truth and nothing but the Truth. Cool promo, bro.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 11:46:03 GMT -5
If there's one time a guy like Rock should be used to main event a PPV it is at Wrestlemania, where buyrates fluctuate by the hundreds of thousands based on single storylines.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 6, 2011 11:57:42 GMT -5
Let's also not forget, Rock cut a promo leading up to WM23 about the "Battle of the Billionares". Umaga = Shriveled up monkey penis or something. Now you know why WM23 was so successful
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 6, 2011 12:45:47 GMT -5
Wow, this...makes me less certain that this whole Punk leaving thing is a work.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 6, 2011 13:38:37 GMT -5
I didn't notice this first time round. Who is Cena kidding really?
I know he's giving verbal fellatio to Punk with his comments...but still.
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Post by The Rager (Cole Miner) on Jul 6, 2011 14:05:51 GMT -5
So....Punk is making fun of The Rock for leaving, when Punk himself is leaving in 11 days?
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Post by deancubed on Jul 6, 2011 14:06:29 GMT -5
with all the Rock talk at the house shows lately, and with this punk/cena story clearly aimed at the insider smark crowd, I wouldnt be surprised if Rock himself shows up at MitB to interfere with the match, and maybe even turn Punk face as he and Cena take the same side against Vince and Rock
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 15:02:16 GMT -5
So....Punk is making fun of The Rock for leaving, when Punk himself is leaving in 11 days? Wrestlers need a break and this is likely to be a issue with the trade mark of his name (if he really is leaving). Plus chances are if he does leave and his 90 days are up, he'll probably be wrestling in Japan, ROH, and other places most likely. It's not like he's stopping.
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