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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 22:15:42 GMT -5
i still dont know what the f*** just happened
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 14, 2011 22:16:02 GMT -5
Yeah. In Madison Square Garden, which arguably has the smarkiest crowd WWE pulls in. The Staples Center crowd was dead for Nash. Don't EVER use an L.A. Crowd as a measuring stick for overness. Half the crowd are on their cell phones most of the time. The crowd was actually hot for the ME. That was what they were there for. What they got was not what they wanted. Funilly enough, Del Rio had good heat when he curtain jerked, so it wasn't necessarily him. They just didn't want THAT.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 14, 2011 22:18:22 GMT -5
Hi 5. People are just upset because Punk isn't the champ. Give me a break, that was a brutal end of the show. Don't you think the crowd reaction to BOTH finishes said a volume? Unfortunately this place is full of people will lap up ANYTHING the WWE does and say it was great. They had a ME with two guys who got massive mixed heat which gives you infinite booking potential. They woke up a crowd that was in a coma, or a crowd that was only there to see that one match. Then you do that. It's like having Austin vs. HBK at WM14, let's say there's a MITB back then, and then Austin goes over in a fishy fashion (which he did IRL), but wait, HERE COMES SAVIO VEGA! HE'S WHALING ON AUSTIN! OH MY! AND NOW HERE COMES KEN SHAMROCK WITH THE MITB! HE'S THE NEW CHAMPION! WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED HERE? Yes, we are just sheep that will lap up anything WWE gives us. How dare we have opposing opinions Give me a break. I'm a Del Rio fan, I liked him winning, no f***ing different then being a Punk fan and liking him winning at MitB. And no, I don't think the crowd reaction said jack, because this crowd sucked. Just about every LA crowd sucks. They've always sucked, they suck in just about every sporting event that happens there. But if you want to use this crowd's reaction, Del Rio was just about the only person who got a reaction until the MEs
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Aug 14, 2011 22:18:38 GMT -5
Ah yes, let's crap on it before its gone anywhere. If we did that every show then no storylines would ever be built. I'm usually quick to jump on horses*** but sorry, I fail to see this as horses***. The crowd was questionable all night so I don't think the "lack of reaction" is a fair judgement. Kevin Nash just ran in on the main event at Summerslam, if that doesn't intrigue you then lets look at the fact Punk did win...but then lost to Del Rio doing a shock cash in...does that still not intrigue you? Then sorry I don't what the hell you wanted from tonight. Perhaps Punk to sit cross legged in the ring and call Dixie Carter a see you next Tuesday? The new WWE direction is exciting, fresh, new and somewhat unpredictable. A match with a finish. That's what I wanted, that's what they promised. A match with a finish, screwjob or not. You bring up Dixie Carter, well this was pretty TNA like. But like I said, there are some people who will lap up ANYTHING the WWE does. You could have Big Vis against Loch Ness in a "Biggest fart" match and someone would say it was the best thing done in 20 years. This was one of the worst finishes to a show in years. Alot of stuff happened that didn't need to happen. The first finish stunned and confused the crowd and the second left them silenced. If you think that's good booking, I don't know what to tell you. They had something really hot and killed it. Obviously because of how the show ended, that's the blowoff. They're both faces. Neither is the champ. They will no longer be facing each other. I didn't say good or bad booking I said that why crap on it if you have no idea where it's going? If the lack of payoff bothers you then you clearly didn't watch the Attitude era. Sometimes a "failed" ending builds to a bigger payoff at the next event. I hate this whole instant reward mentality the IWC has. There is no reason to not give an angle a chance.
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Post by Ace Ventura on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:12 GMT -5
How about this for a Raw Main Event - ADR vs. Punk vs. Rey vs. Cena. Bit of a stretch I know. It could be at Night of Champions though, with ADR NOT going in as Champion.
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Post by Tim on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:25 GMT -5
Hi 5. People are just upset because Punk isn't the champ. Nah, more like upset because Del Rio sucks, is boring and we now have to deal with Kevin Nash's middle aged, stick legged, Grecian hair formula'd worthless ego and more Kliq bullcrap that shouldn't have been seen since after 1996 u mad?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:28 GMT -5
Now that I look at it, I love the ending presented. There's now a lot of possible ways we could go about here at this point.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:45 GMT -5
You mean me? You're one of them. You know better man. Just a joke my friend, but apologies if it is frowned upon.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:57 GMT -5
i still dont know what the f*** just happened I'll try to break it down as I see it SPOILERS!!!!! {Spoiler}1) Triple H counts 1-2-3, not seeing Cena's foot on the ropes. 2) Punk wins, celebrates and while Triple H walks up the ramp. 3) Nash attacks and powerbombs CM Punk. 4) Triple H comes back down to the ring unaware what just happened 5) Del Rio comes down with a new ref and cashes in the money in the bank. 6) Del Rio does one move, pins Punk, and is the new WWE Champion.
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Post by amdrag502 on Aug 14, 2011 22:20:11 GMT -5
Orton and Del Rio as champs... rating drop!
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Post by Viva on Aug 14, 2011 22:20:31 GMT -5
frankly I'm getting to the point I wouldn't mind if we just talked about, say, quality of matches, instead of complaining about WWE's booking In my post, I never mentioned "booking" except saying the finish was overbooked, which to me it seemed to be. But in terms of terminology that still counts as being part of the match. That was really my only problem with the match. Other than that, I enjoyed it. Honestly, who are you to decide what qualifies as 'overbooked'? That's my problem with that whole attitude. You don't book a fed. You don't know what's in store ahead. What gives you the right, or the experience even, to decide that the match was overbooked? I get that you're allowed to have your opinion, but it's like, why do you guys watch the product if all you're going to do is pick it apart? Is it fun to have a hate-hate relationship with a form of entertainment? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass in any way shape or form, but after everything that happens, we have a bevy of people that just absolutely crap on it. There's no pleasing everybody, obviously, but to hear stuff like "WOW NOW WE GET BORING STALE DEL RIO CHAMPION." Like, what?
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Post by repomark on Aug 14, 2011 22:21:09 GMT -5
Not read the general consensus on the PPV, but I loved the last two matches. I thought Christian v Orton was superb, and Punk v Cena was frankly masterful, especially given I didn't think for a second they could get near the MITB match which I loved.
Then came Nash, which was a mark out moment in itself. Then came Del Rio cashing in successfully which was a mega mega mark out moment for me, as I have loved Del Rio from day one.
Loved it. Now we have CM Punk as the man in WWE from what I can tell (two straight PPV wins over Cena) and I love that. He can feud from here with Nash, or he can feud with HHH. Likely, HHH will feud with Cena.
We have a brilliant situation in my eyes, and to be honest the WWE product I have not enjoyed this much since Austin was in the ring. And I genuinely mean that.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 14, 2011 22:21:36 GMT -5
Well, everyone wanted something unpredictable... $10 says no one guessed "Kevin Nash run in leads to ADR cash in" going into Summer Slam lol I'm gonna take a "lets see where this goes" approach. At the very least that means it's gonna be a crazy ass Raw I go to tomorrow.
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Post by smoot on Aug 14, 2011 22:24:08 GMT -5
Quick and simple: Predictably-booked is Luke defeating Vader. Interestingly booked is Vader turning on the Emperor, because 'from a certain angle' or not, he is Luke's father and had some good in him after all, then dying.
Overbooked is when Newt Gunray comes in from six movies ago, to blindside Vader AND Luke, in order to feed them both to the Almighty Sarlaac. With no foreshadowing or setup. And possibly in conjunction with Binks.
I get that people don't like to be disagreed with, but quit assigning awfulness to people for their ****ing different tastes in wrestling. PLEASE.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 14, 2011 22:25:12 GMT -5
A match with a finish. That's what I wanted, that's what they promised. A match with a finish, screwjob or not. You bring up Dixie Carter, well this was pretty TNA like. But like I said, there are some people who will lap up ANYTHING the WWE does. You could have Big Vis against Loch Ness in a "Biggest fart" match and someone would say it was the best thing done in 20 years. This was one of the worst finishes to a show in years. Alot of stuff happened that didn't need to happen. The first finish stunned and confused the crowd and the second left them silenced. If you think that's good booking, I don't know what to tell you. They had something really hot and killed it. Obviously because of how the show ended, that's the blowoff. They're both faces. Neither is the champ. They will no longer be facing each other. I didn't say good or bad booking I said that why crap on it if you have no idea where it's going? If the lack of payoff bothers you then you clearly didn't watch the Attitude era. Sometimes a "failed" ending builds to a bigger payoff at the next event. I hate this whole instant reward mentality the IWC has. There is no reason to not give an angle a chance. It's the hottest thing they've done in years, you don't blow it off like that. The Cena/Punk dynamic and the crowd heat it drew was awesome. So you either continue it or you blow it off properly with a change to one of the characters. It was bad. People bitch about Dusty finishes throughout history, well this might be the first time they've ever given you TWO in what amounts to the same match. Hell, as pointed out they even warped the MITB rules again to make it even more Dusty finishier. This is an honest question: How do you go from a scenario where you have two guys that are hugely over and generate reactions, pro, con, whatever, put them into one of the more high profile feuds you've done in years, have a memorable match with a finish, book a rematch, and have it end with a foot on the rope finish, coupled with a mystery Kevin Nash attack and an MITB cashin by a guy who is in a hopeless position? It wouldn't make sense if it was Bryan, either, so it's not say prefering one over the other. The feud is over because it's impossible for it to continue. That's just silly and an awful way to end it. Punk wins the feud in an inconclusive way and goofyness ensues. Neither turns.
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Post by Ace Ventura on Aug 14, 2011 22:25:19 GMT -5
Only through recent readings have I discovered that L.A apparently has "dead" crowds for various sporting events. Why is this?? You know it's a crowd when it's in MSG!!!!!
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 14, 2011 22:25:47 GMT -5
I'm actually glad I watched the PPV without posting here, as I can't believe all the negativity here. I thought it was a great PPV,, I enjoyed every match. I mean I even enjoyed the Diva's match.
So Alberto is the new champion? So what? I know people want Punk to be champion, but it's not like because he lost he'll be back on Superstars. He's the focus of the company right now, and him getting screwed out of the title just adds fuel to his "anti-establishment" character. I know people are worried that this is going to turn into another McMahon family drama, but we don't know that for sure. Triple H did not make himself the focus of the title match like so many people were afraid of, so while people want to overreact, let's see where this goes before declaring the WWE as not knowing what they're doing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 22:26:29 GMT -5
I like Del Rio...
but at this point I'm so sick of the Money in the Bank briefcase concept and these 5 minute title reigns that inevitably happen. It makes the title look like a joke because it ends up getting traded around multiple times within a few days, it gives the outgoing champion the dubious honour of having a 5 minutes reign, and it makes the new champion look like a fluke because they cash in on a guy who's already been beaten down.
I really hope Del Rio goes on to have a successful title reign but I'm very tired of these 1-day reigns and weak heel champions. We've had 10 MITB cash-ins and how many of them actually created new legitimate money-drawing stars? CM Punk's a five time World champion already and has only recently started looking like a truly bankable star.
Also IMO if Nash is revealed to be a bodyguard for Del Rio... Come on, the guy's over 50 years old, that spot could've been given to a younger guy.
Ehh... I await the 'lolz u mad? cry more, punk fan' replies anyways. I hope this angle goes somewhere good, if anything I'm just disappointed that the Cena/Punk title feud is presumably gone for good.
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Post by amaron on Aug 14, 2011 22:26:51 GMT -5
Predictably booked is a run-in, followed by a MITB cash-in, followed by a new champion.
Its happened in almost every MITB cash in to date that wasn't a pre-set match.
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Post by Piccolo on Aug 14, 2011 22:27:17 GMT -5
I actually think the most annoying thing about smarks is how they tell other smarks what to do and posture about how annoying smarks are, as if they're not smarks themselves. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a dumbass smark. (For the record, I totally agree that this could end up being good, but I think we should live and let live when it comes to people's immediate gut reactions to a pay-per-view ending. I mean, come on. Would it kill you just to let people vent for a few seconds?) If the venting is just stupidity, yes. It does. No one wants to hear people cry like babies. You're adults. Articulate your feelings like them. "THIS SUCKS CUZ I DONT LIKE IT WAH WAH WAH. DEL RIO IS STALE CHAMP WAHHHH." I'd call you out if you were talking about ANYTHING. Wrestling doesn't get an exemption. Me? I guess you have no idea how I responded to the end of the PPV. Not that I'm surprised... that's what happens when you lump a bunch of people into a group and yell at them collectively. You're an adult, too, Viva, and adulthood means being tolerant of other people's opinions even when they don't match up with your own. I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold the opinion, for example, that this ending was overbooked. Do you find that to be an unreasonable/childish/"stupid" position? Why? Can WWE never overbook an ending? I notice, for example, that you haven't called out the people who said that they were happy Del Rio won because they're Del Rio marks, and that the people who are unhappy are just unhappy because Punk lost. That seems every bit as banal as the complaints you're supposedly upset about. Why aren't you yelling at them? The only difference between those posters and the ones you're yelling at seems to be that they agree with what WWE did. It's a shame if you're permitted to be unsophisticated in your reactions as long as your opinion is the right one, but you're flame-worthy if your opinion happens to be negative. It's possible to like this ending, and it's possible to dislike it. I don't see that inarticulate discussion has been limited to those who disliked the ending, nor do I see a special level of intelligence and maturity amongst those who liked it. At some point, I think it's important to realize that you may hold an opinion, you may hold it strongly and think it's totally right, but that doesn't mean someone else is wrong or stupid or childish if they don't hold that same opinion. We ARE adults here. And sometimes that means you gotta live and let live.
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