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Post by joebob27 on Aug 14, 2011 22:41:00 GMT -5
It's the hottest thing they've done in years, you don't blow it off like that. The Cena/Punk dynamic and the crowd heat it drew was awesome. So you either continue it or you blow it off properly with a change to one of the characters. It was bad. People bitch about Dusty finishes throughout history, well this might be the first time they've ever given you TWO in what amounts to the same match. Hell, as pointed out they even warped the MITB rules again to make it even more Dusty finishier. This is an honest question: How do you go from a scenario where you have two guys that are hugely over and generate reactions, pro, con, whatever, put them into one of the more high profile feuds you've done in years, have a memorable match with a finish, book a rematch, and have it end with a foot on the rope finish, coupled with a mystery Kevin Nash attack and an MITB cashin by a guy who is in a hopeless position? It wouldn't make sense if it was Bryan, either, so it's not say prefering one over the other. The feud is over because it's impossible for it to continue. That's just silly and an awful way to end it. Punk wins the feud in an inconclusive way and goofyness ensues. Neither turns. Dude...KEEP...WATCHING. If it goes nowhere then, I will agree with you but none of us know anything about this direction. I would be just as disappointed as you if this doesn't have the legs and the impact like the initial birth of the angle gave. Seriously, nothing is dead yet. It's already been warped. So in that sense, it's lost some of its potential. And with some of the people involved with it, it brings the "yeech" factor up a notch. Really, think about it, who gained the most out of everyone involved in that segment? From a booking perspective, not a kayfabe perspective. I'm not going to say it wasn't "interesting", I just think it was bad. It gives them a bunch of options, but more options = more possibility for warpage. What made the Orton/Christian feud work and last long is because there were only two options. Orton. Christian. And this was hotter than that. I really dunno what the motivation for all that was at all, for a blowoff of a hot feud. I'm not sure who gained anything out of this other than Nash.
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Post by monkeyboy on Aug 14, 2011 22:41:04 GMT -5
Huge mistake having no Ricardo at the end... that's my biggest disappointment by far.
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Post by The Papers on Aug 14, 2011 22:41:37 GMT -5
Replaced by Booker at the last minute apparently. JR was doing Twitter coverage. This was probably the worst thing that happened all night. I was really looking forward to hearing JR for the main event. The ad breaks seemed abnormally long tonight, too
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Post by smoot on Aug 14, 2011 22:42:17 GMT -5
Incidentally, what other form of entertainment has people so eager to blame the audience for their tastes, as wrestling? I mean, if I don't like something, it's because I'm unqualified? What is this, opera? Performance art? The translated works of Plautus? And I could just as well say someone who liked it isn't qualified to weigh in an opinion on that, either, so the counterargument doesn't hold water. Incidentally, while I'm not all "stay tuned!" about it, I can see the value of holding off an insufferably long Ricardo victory rant until tomorrow.
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Post by repomark on Aug 14, 2011 22:43:11 GMT -5
Huge mistake having no Ricardo at the end... that's my biggest disappointment by far. Absolutely my friend. However, I am assuming (and hoping) that they make up for that on Raw with Ricardomania.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 14, 2011 22:58:52 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it.
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Post by repomark on Aug 14, 2011 23:06:31 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. I have to disagree mate, in terms of the fact that I think Punk is now the man in WWE. He beat Cena in two straight PPVs, and there is no chance he will not be permanently main event now. If he was backed down the card, I would be every bit as outraged as you. However I do not think there is any chance of that. Punk now IS the main event. He took the ball and more than ran with it.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 14, 2011 23:12:15 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. They aren't gonna push the guy getting the biggest reactions and best ratings for segments he's in, along with the hottest selling t-shirt in years down the card. WWE is about making money, and Punk is making money for them.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Aug 14, 2011 23:12:38 GMT -5
I will admit I am kinda mad that no one I wanted to win won other than punk winning for a few mins,while I am still a little livid over Del Rio winning the belt,I will watch RAW tomorrow cause I am now more interested than ever to see what is going to happen plus I totally back Kevin Nash being back.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Aug 14, 2011 23:13:45 GMT -5
my reaction
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 14, 2011 23:16:05 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. The PPV is barely more than an hour old. If, in 6 months, Punk is fighting for the IC title, you have free reign to gloat. Until then, it's way too early to claim victory.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 14, 2011 23:16:41 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. You really think he's being pushed down the card? If anything it elevates Punk as the guy who got screwed. Punk is the focus of the WWE right now, he is the guy. He is not going to start a feud with Tyler Reks tomorrow night.
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Post by Raul on Aug 14, 2011 23:33:49 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. hahahaohwow.jpg
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Post by Viva on Aug 14, 2011 23:34:48 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. You honestly believe with how hot and pro-punk the crowd was, and how many Best In The World shirts you saw in the crowd, that he's going to be shoved off and forgotten? Back to midcard? If you ask me, it's nice to have a main-event angle that doesn't involve either of the major titles.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 14, 2011 23:42:01 GMT -5
Well, for those who said the WWE wouldn't mess up or have Del Rio cash in. Guess what? They messed it up and Punk will be pushed back down to mid-card status. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so and I knew it. You honestly believe with how hot and pro-punk the crowd was, and how many Best In The World shirts you saw in the crowd, that he's going to be shoved off and forgotten? Back to midcard? If you ask me, it's nice to have a main-event angle that doesn't involve either of the major titles. Yep. Jericho, RVD, and Booker T were crazy over as well and look how they were buried in the process. Trust me the WWE has already messed up Punk's momentum and he'll just be pushed down once again, feuding in the mid-card, and the whole ADR being champion will lead to Cena regaining the title again. Remember when Orton beat Benoit for the championship? It's similar to that, because Vince and his "creative" team knew if Cena beat Punk fans would've been pissed. So they have ADR be the transitional champion and have Cena win it, that way it won't look like Cena "overcame the odds" again.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 14, 2011 23:45:57 GMT -5
I dunno, I think they're delaying the inevitable with Cena.
ADR is perfectly safe, like Wade Barrett, for Cena to be a 100% face against. Problem with that is it may be ADR with Trips/Nash. Then what?
Also to be fair, RVD killed his own push and Booker T never got pushed up like Punk did as a face, really his push with a bookend (ugh). He came in strong and then he went out pretty strong with the King Booker thing. Everything in the middle was just kinda there.
That leaves Jericho and they f***ed up huge on Jericho. I can't believe they would repeat that again, but who knows...
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 14, 2011 23:49:02 GMT -5
I dunno, I think they're delaying the inevitable with Cena. ADR is perfectly safe, like Wade Barrett, for Cena to be a 100% face against. Problem with that is it may be ADR with Trips/Nash. Then what? Also to be fair, RVD killed his own push and Booker T never got pushed up like Punk did as a face, really his push with a bookend (ugh). He came in strong and then he went out pretty strong with the King Booker thing. Everything in the middle was just kinda there. That leaves Jericho and they f***ed up huge on Jericho. I can't believe they would repeat that again, but who knows... RVD did mess up when he won the ECW and WWE Championship. What I am speaking about is how over he was when he was brought in during the Alliance era. He was insanely over, getting huge pops, selling merchandise, and the WWE continued to crap on him over and over again. This is going to end in one way and one way only. Cena will feud with Rio while Punk feuds with Nash. Punk will get pushed down I promise you.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 14, 2011 23:53:42 GMT -5
I dunno, I think they're delaying the inevitable with Cena. ADR is perfectly safe, like Wade Barrett, for Cena to be a 100% face against. Problem with that is it may be ADR with Trips/Nash. Then what? Also to be fair, RVD killed his own push and Booker T never got pushed up like Punk did as a face, really his push with a bookend (ugh). He came in strong and then he went out pretty strong with the King Booker thing. Everything in the middle was just kinda there. That leaves Jericho and they f***ed up huge on Jericho. I can't believe they would repeat that again, but who knows... RVD did mess up when he won the ECW and WWE Championship. What I am speaking about is how over he was when he was brought in during the Alliance era. He was insanely over, getting huge pops, selling merchandise, and the WWE continued to crap on him over and over again. This is going to end in one way and one way only. Cena will feud with Rio while Punk feuds with Nash. Punk will get pushed down I promise you. RVD was over huge but that was back before the roster split, he was new to the company, they had plenty of stars on the roster (remember when he was supposed to face Jericho at RR and they pulled the plug and inserted the Rock? Was that really a bad decision?), and then of course, he hurt Trips which is never a good idea. He also can't work a mic to save his life and it's hard in this company to get over and be put over when you don't do this. Now they have a thin roster with 2 ME'rs and Punk *could* potentially be the 3rd. And really there's not even that many guys in the upper midcard.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 14, 2011 23:54:24 GMT -5
I dunno, I think they're delaying the inevitable with Cena. ADR is perfectly safe, like Wade Barrett, for Cena to be a 100% face against. Problem with that is it may be ADR with Trips/Nash. Then what? Also to be fair, RVD killed his own push and Booker T never got pushed up like Punk did as a face, really his push with a bookend (ugh). He came in strong and then he went out pretty strong with the King Booker thing. Everything in the middle was just kinda there. That leaves Jericho and they f***ed up huge on Jericho. I can't believe they would repeat that again, but who knows... Cena will feud with Rio while Punk feuds with Nash. Punk will get pushed down I promise you. See I can't imagine Punk feuding with Nash for an extended period. I think it will eventually lead to Triple H vs Punk though. As for Cena no doubt he will be WWE Champion again. I just can't imagine him not going into Wrestlemania as Champion. That being said I'm not as down as you are on WWE screwing this up. Could they? Yes. Have they before? Yes.
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Post by jrcz on Aug 15, 2011 0:41:57 GMT -5
Huge mistake having no Ricardo at the end... that's my biggest disappointment by far. True
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