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Post by Fauxberg on Aug 2, 2011 13:04:48 GMT -5
This isn't "I want new stars", it's "I want people I like to be pushed." So, yeah. It's B.S.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:10:19 GMT -5
This isn't "I want new stars", it's "I want people I like to be pushed." So, yeah. It's B.S. I myself LIKE the vast majority of new guys, but some of them just plain suck, IMO. Why would I want to see one of the few exceptions that I think sucks get pushed?
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Post by Young Game on Aug 2, 2011 13:15:34 GMT -5
He's so bad. It's gonna suck when he's pushed even harder towards the main event over guys like CM Punk. The hell? Am...am I missing something? CM Punk's already IN the main event. Or....is he not? WHAT THE PISS IS GOING ON?!?! Besides, there's plenty of incredibly over mid-carders that just stay put. They win the U.S. title, they feud over the U.S. title, lather, rinse, repeat.
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Post by King Boo on Aug 2, 2011 13:17:49 GMT -5
But you're proving my point! You're already writing the guy off and he hasn't really had the chance to be anything else yet - they're giving him that chance now and you're not accepting it based, really, on nothing. I don't see Alex Riley on the level with, say, a Kofi yet. But this is them adding someone *new* to that echelon. How is that a bad thing at all? Because he's competition for Kofi and merely dilutes the attention that Kofi gets. It's hard enough getting Kofi Kingston pushed right now, as he wastes away. Then a flavor of the week like Alex Riley shows up who I've seen in the ring and on the mic time and time again and who I see as completely inferior. Why should *he* get the attention? Kofi's paid his dues but what does Kofi get? A chance to job to Alberto Del Rio or Dolph Ziggler as usual? It's just not right. The "we want new stars" thing isn't BS. There's conditions. I'm not going to accept some guy who is total poop as a seriously pushed entity when there's someone better. If they bring something new to the table and they're not really cutting in on someone else's work who can do it better, then I totally don't mind accepting them. Sheamus was a new guy, but he rocked. I liked him. ADR was a new guy who got overpushed at first, but he still rocks, and I like him. Daniel Bryan is a "new" guy but he's a fantastic wrestler too, and I like him. Wade Barrett is a new guy but he's pretty good, and I like him. Alex Riley is a new guy, but there's better guys who he's stealing the spotlight from for no good reason. And I don't like him. Did you ever stop to consider that if they throw a new person into the mix he can add to the division that would lend to new matches, feuds and time for all involved? Why is it automatically him "stealing" anything from anyone? Because you've decided you don't like him before he's even started? How did you learn to like Kofi? Sheamus? Del Rio? They were given a shot. You're not even allowing Alex Riley that based on reasons that exist because you won't allow him to elevate where he's at now. "We want new stars" shouldn't come with "conditions", especially not when your conditions are based on subjective criteria with no way for that criteria to change due to your unwillingness to give someone new a try because it's not "your guy." And where is this rule that because you like one guy, another guy can't try to gain some momentum also? I like Alex Riley - I think the potential is there for him given the chance. If you're not willing to give him the chance, then it's hard to say the problem lies with Alex Riley - the problem really starts lying with people who become stubborn because they weren't given exactly what they wanted. Like I said - you never know how someone will surprise you if you don't give them the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
Because he's competition for Kofi and merely dilutes the attention that Kofi gets. It's hard enough getting Kofi Kingston pushed right now, as he wastes away. Then a flavor of the week like Alex Riley shows up who I've seen in the ring and on the mic time and time again and who I see as completely inferior. Why should *he* get the attention? Kofi's paid his dues but what does Kofi get? A chance to job to Alberto Del Rio or Dolph Ziggler as usual? It's just not right. The "we want new stars" thing isn't BS. There's conditions. I'm not going to accept some guy who is total poop as a seriously pushed entity when there's someone better. If they bring something new to the table and they're not really cutting in on someone else's work who can do it better, then I totally don't mind accepting them. Sheamus was a new guy, but he rocked. I liked him. ADR was a new guy who got overpushed at first, but he still rocks, and I like him. Daniel Bryan is a "new" guy but he's a fantastic wrestler too, and I like him. Wade Barrett is a new guy but he's pretty good, and I like him. Alex Riley is a new guy, but there's better guys who he's stealing the spotlight from for no good reason. And I don't like him. Did you ever stop to consider that if they throw a new person into the mix he can add to the division that would lend to new matches, feuds and time for all involved? Why is it automatically him "stealing" anything from anyone? Because you've decided you don't like him before he's even started? How did you learn to like Kofi? Sheamus? Del Rio? They were given a shot. You're not even allowing Alex Riley that based on reasons that exist because you won't allow him to elevate where he's at now. "We want new stars" shouldn't come with "conditions", especially not when your conditions are based on subjective criteria with no way for that criteria to change due to your unwillingness to give someone new a try because it's not "your guy." And where is this rule that because you like one guy, another guy can't try to gain some momentum also? I like Alex Riley - I think the potential is there for him given the chance. If you're not willing to give him the chance, then it's hard to say the problem lies with Alex Riley - the problem really starts lying with people who become stubborn because they weren't given exactly what they wanted. Like I said - you never know how someone will surprise you if you don't give them the chance. What's the point of having someone new, if they're not interesting? "New" doesn't just mean "We haven't seen this guy before." "New" means "This guy is bringing something new and original and fresh to the scene." Right now A-Ry is someone we really haven't seen before, but he's not not bringing anything new or original to the show. I think that's what people mean when they say they want new stars. And to say he hasn't been given the chance is kind of a cop-out. The guy has basically been associated with the World Champion for a year and fueded with him for like 2 months and he really didn't show us much How much more of a chance does he really need to showcase himself? Kofi's feud with Randy Orton - Kofi really showed what he could do, until he was squashed down - but still, he showed he could possibly hang at that level.
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Post by MGH on Aug 2, 2011 13:24:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a change, but is it the change that people really wanted? I'd rather guys like John Morrison and Kofi Kingston, the consummate wrestlers who bust their asses day in and day out, make it to the top of the pyramid. Not some manufactured guy who was a main eventer's buttmonkey of a lackey. That's incredibly insulting to Alex Riley, and nothing but a blind assumption based out of your dislike for him for whatever reason. You don't care for his work so you assume he isn't a hard worker? If anyone in this conversation is manufactured, it's Morrison. The crowd likes him, but they've never TAKEN to him. He does some cool moves and has the funny entrance and gets some pops and that's it. Riley was brought in on a legitimate storyline, and legitimately won the crowds over with how he carried himself in his promos (promos? Morrison doesn't compute with this concept) and the two really good matches he's had with Miz once that storyline hit full steam ahead. Something about Riley has connected with the fans. That's why he's pushed ahead of Morrison, who had a storyline with the WWE Champion in January and managed to leave a Raw crowd stunned to silence with his horrific promo about lawn gnomes. Riley has a storyline with the same guy, and it makes him a huger star. I'd take 10 Rileys in a company before I'd get to a John Morrison. Sounds like most crowds right now would as well.
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Post by DSR on Aug 2, 2011 13:27:28 GMT -5
He beat up the wrong guy at the NXT2 finale.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 2, 2011 13:28:35 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a change, but is it the change that people really wanted? I'd rather guys like John Morrison and Kofi Kingston, the consummate wrestlers who bust their asses day in and day out, make it to the top of the pyramid. Not some manufactured guy who was a main eventer's buttmonkey of a lackey. That's incredibly insulting to Alex Riley, and nothing but a blind assumption based out of your dislike for him for whatever reason. You don't care for his work so you assume he isn't a hard worker? If anyone in this conversation is manufactured, it's Morrison. The crowd likes him, but they've never TAKEN to him. He does some cool moves and has the funny entrance and gets some pops and that's it. Riley was brought in on a legitimate storyline, and legitimately won the crowds over with how he carried himself in his promos (promos? Morrison doesn't compute with this concept) and the two really good matches he's had with Miz once that storyline hit full steam ahead. Something about Riley has connected with the fans. That's why he's pushed ahead of Morrison, who had a storyline with the WWE Champion in January and managed to leave a Raw crowd stunned to silence with his horrific promo about lawn gnomes. Riley has a storyline with the same guy, and it makes him a huger star. I'd take 10 Rileys in a company before I'd get to a John Morrison. Sounds like most crowds right now would as well. I actually like Morrison, but this is spot on. The fans clearly dig Riley. The company would be stupid not to see how far he can go
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Post by King Boo on Aug 2, 2011 13:31:13 GMT -5
Did you ever stop to consider that if they throw a new person into the mix he can add to the division that would lend to new matches, feuds and time for all involved? Why is it automatically him "stealing" anything from anyone? Because you've decided you don't like him before he's even started? How did you learn to like Kofi? Sheamus? Del Rio? They were given a shot. You're not even allowing Alex Riley that based on reasons that exist because you won't allow him to elevate where he's at now. "We want new stars" shouldn't come with "conditions", especially not when your conditions are based on subjective criteria with no way for that criteria to change due to your unwillingness to give someone new a try because it's not "your guy." And where is this rule that because you like one guy, another guy can't try to gain some momentum also? I like Alex Riley - I think the potential is there for him given the chance. If you're not willing to give him the chance, then it's hard to say the problem lies with Alex Riley - the problem really starts lying with people who become stubborn because they weren't given exactly what they wanted. Like I said - you never know how someone will surprise you if you don't give them the chance. What's the point of having someone new, if they're not interesting? "New" doesn't just mean "We haven't seen this guy before." "New" means "This guy is bringing something new and original and fresh to the scene." Right now A-Ry is someone we really haven't seen before, but he's not not bringing anything new or original to the show. I think that's what people mean when they say they want new stars. And to say he hasn't been given the chance is kind of a cop-out. The guy has basically been associated with the World Champion for a year and fueded with him for like 2 months and he really didn't show us much How much more of a chance does he really need to showcase himself? Kofi's feud with Randy Orton - Kofi really showed what he could do, until he was squashed down - but still, he showed he could possibly hang at that level. This is his first real feud based on something all his own - not related to NXT or The Miz. That's his first chance to me - it's his first chance without everything that "brought him to the dance" so to speak. We have no idea how it will go. So far, he's getting a decent reaction. My point is we should all SEE where it goes. But people aren't allowing him that, mainly from what I see, based on the fact that it's not who they want. Everyone has this one and done attitude when it comes to giving a chance. If someone doesn't WOW and AMAZE based on your own personal criteria, that's it. They're done. They suck and they're a waste of time. IMO, that's BS. I'm not comparing him to Kofi - I like Kofi too and think he could be more than he is also. I don't see why sides have to be picked. Why can't Riley be given a chance to shine a little while Kofi is still great and we all still like him? Why is it all so RIGID? The only reason is a subjective one and that doesn't really hold water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:32:18 GMT -5
Because he's competition for Kofi and merely dilutes the attention that Kofi gets. It's hard enough getting Kofi Kingston pushed right now, as he wastes away. Then a flavor of the week like Alex Riley shows up who I've seen in the ring and on the mic time and time again and who I see as completely inferior. Why should *he* get the attention? Kofi's paid his dues but what does Kofi get? A chance to job to Alberto Del Rio or Dolph Ziggler as usual? It's just not right. The "we want new stars" thing isn't BS. There's conditions. I'm not going to accept some guy who is total poop as a seriously pushed entity when there's someone better. If they bring something new to the table and they're not really cutting in on someone else's work who can do it better, then I totally don't mind accepting them. Sheamus was a new guy, but he rocked. I liked him. ADR was a new guy who got overpushed at first, but he still rocks, and I like him. Daniel Bryan is a "new" guy but he's a fantastic wrestler too, and I like him. Wade Barrett is a new guy but he's pretty good, and I like him. Alex Riley is a new guy, but there's better guys who he's stealing the spotlight from for no good reason. And I don't like him. Did you ever stop to consider that if they throw a new person into the mix he can add to the division that would lend to new matches, feuds and time for all involved? Why is it automatically him "stealing" anything from anyone? Because you've decided you don't like him before he's even started? How did you learn to like Kofi? Sheamus? Del Rio? They were given a shot. You're not even allowing Alex Riley that based on reasons that exist because you won't allow him to elevate where he's at now. "We want new stars" shouldn't come with "conditions", especially not when your conditions are based on subjective criteria with no way for that criteria to change due to your unwillingness to give someone new a try because it's not "your guy." And where is this rule that because you like one guy, another guy can't try to gain some momentum also? I like Alex Riley - I think the potential is there for him given the chance. If you're not willing to give him the chance, then it's hard to say the problem lies with Alex Riley - the problem really starts lying with people who become stubborn because they weren't given exactly what they wanted. Like I said - you never know how someone will surprise you if you don't give them the chance. I've already seen what Alex Riley can do. I've seen him NXT where he did not impress me one bit (and NO, I was not one of those guys creaming myself for Kaval) and screwed the dog by attacking Percy Watson for no reason. I've seen him on Raw after that. As Miz's lackey I liked him--he wasn't a good wrestler, but they didn't try to fool anyone into thinking that he was. His promos have been nothing special. They've applied him to situations and I've seen him do stuff repeatedly. I gave him a shot. Don't tell me that I didn't because you haven't been sitting next to me watching me watch wrestling. But suffice to say that I am NOT impressed. It's not because it's "my guy." I like most of the new people coming in. What is so hard to understand about this? But he's one of the few people who's come in recently who I think sucks if you're actually trying to take (and push) him seriously, which is exactly what they're doing. I'm not dogmatic about wrestlers. I accept most new people who come in with open arms. But I've already seen what he can do and, again, I'm not impressed. By default, he's stealing the spotlight. Not as a whole but as a portion. They don't run the divisions on Raw in terms of "Here's a guy, and he's feuding with this guy, and they're part of a bigger picture with many other guys." The divisions consist of "Here's the champion, here's the contender, and everybody else can just go home for all we care." I wish they did things like they used to, back when the brand split was fully enforced. They were forced to put the undercard to use and that meant giving people storylines and letting them do things to get over. Back then, even a guy who I dislike like Riley would be tolerable. But now everyone is at odds with everyone else for a chance to be pushed or a chance to get over. Riley hasn't done hardly anything taxing and all of a sudden he's on the same tier (maybe a higher tier) as Kofi is. Alex Riley isn't enriching the mid card, he's cluttering it up and diluting the opportunities that other guys have. Another face in the crowd, and he doesn't need to be there when there's other people who can do it better.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 2, 2011 13:34:22 GMT -5
I feel like we go through this song and dance every time someone new gets any kind of a push
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Post by MGH on Aug 2, 2011 13:36:38 GMT -5
I feel like we go through this song and dance every time someone new gets any kind of a push So do I. "Let's get some new blood." *new blood* "SAVE.US/(insert veteran here)." Rock must thank his lucky stars he didn't debut in this era as Rocky Maivia. Apparently the time limit for showing everything you have before you're deemed a failure or worthless or "a clutter" is 15 seconds.
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Post by King Boo on Aug 2, 2011 13:40:07 GMT -5
Did you ever stop to consider that if they throw a new person into the mix he can add to the division that would lend to new matches, feuds and time for all involved? Why is it automatically him "stealing" anything from anyone? Because you've decided you don't like him before he's even started? How did you learn to like Kofi? Sheamus? Del Rio? They were given a shot. You're not even allowing Alex Riley that based on reasons that exist because you won't allow him to elevate where he's at now. "We want new stars" shouldn't come with "conditions", especially not when your conditions are based on subjective criteria with no way for that criteria to change due to your unwillingness to give someone new a try because it's not "your guy." And where is this rule that because you like one guy, another guy can't try to gain some momentum also? I like Alex Riley - I think the potential is there for him given the chance. If you're not willing to give him the chance, then it's hard to say the problem lies with Alex Riley - the problem really starts lying with people who become stubborn because they weren't given exactly what they wanted. Like I said - you never know how someone will surprise you if you don't give them the chance. I've already seen what Alex Riley can do. I've seen him NXT where he did not impress me one bit (and NO, I was not one of those guys creaming myself for Kaval) and screwed the dog by attacking Percy Watson for no reason. I've seen him on Raw after that. As Miz's lackey I liked him--he wasn't a good wrestler, but they didn't try to fool anyone into thinking that he was. His promos have been nothing special. They've applied him to situations and I've seen him do stuff repeatedly. I gave him a shot. Don't tell me that I didn't because you haven't been sitting next to me watching me watch wrestling. But suffice to say that I am NOT impressed. It's not because it's "my guy." I like most of the new people coming in. What is so hard to understand about this? But he's one of the few people who's come in recently who I think sucks if you're actually trying to take (and push) him seriously, which is exactly what they're doing. I'm not dogmatic about wrestlers. I accept most new people who come in with open arms. But I've already seen what he can do and, again, I'm not impressed. By default, he's stealing the spotlight. Not as a whole but as a portion. They don't run the divisions on Raw in terms of "Here's a guy, and he's feuding with this guy, and they're part of a bigger picture with many other guys." The divisions consist of "Here's the champion, here's the contender, and everybody else can just go home for all we care." I wish they did things like they used to, back when the brand split was fully enforced. They were forced to put the undercard to use and that meant giving people storylines and letting them do things to get over. Back then, even a guy who I dislike like Riley would be tolerable. But now everyone is at odds with everyone else for a chance to be pushed or a chance to get over. Riley hasn't done hardly anything taxing and all of a sudden he's on the same tier (maybe a higher tier) as Kofi is. Alex Riley isn't enriching the mid card, he's cluttering it up and diluting the opportunities that other guys have. Another face in the crowd, and he doesn't need to be there when there's other people who can do it better. You've seen EEEEEEEEEEVERYTHING someone can offer in that short amount of time where it was actually about him? Really? The Percy thing was a MISTAKE. The guy is HUMAN. It was also like, a year ago. Your criteria and mine for "giving someone a chance" is different, especially in terms of length of time. So to me, yea you haven't given him a chance, whether I'm sitting with you or not. But regardless if you think you have my point still remains that it's subjective - some of us? We don't think he'll clutter anything up. We don't think he has nothing to offer. We haven't written him off yet. We don't think it's some colossal slap to the face to the others that he's being given a chance. Maybe the division could use a little more attention and love but that shouldn't be taken out on Alex Riley - his chance shouldn't be taken away from him when a system is flawed. I feel like we go through this song and dance every time someone new gets any kind of a push Yes, we do, which is why I posted my original post in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:44:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a change, but is it the change that people really wanted? I'd rather guys like John Morrison and Kofi Kingston, the consummate wrestlers who bust their asses day in and day out, make it to the top of the pyramid. Not some manufactured guy who was a main eventer's buttmonkey of a lackey. That's incredibly insulting to Alex Riley, and nothing but a blind assumption based out of your dislike for him for whatever reason. You don't care for his work so you assume he isn't a hard worker? If anyone in this conversation is manufactured, it's Morrison. The crowd likes him, but they've never TAKEN to him. He does some cool moves and has the funny entrance and gets some pops and that's it. Riley was brought in on a legitimate storyline, and legitimately won the crowds over with how he carried himself in his promos (promos? Morrison doesn't compute with this concept) and the two really good matches he's had with Miz once that storyline hit full steam ahead. Something about Riley has connected with the fans. That's why he's pushed ahead of Morrison, who had a storyline with the WWE Champion in January and managed to leave a Raw crowd stunned to silence with his horrific promo about lawn gnomes. Riley has a storyline with the same guy, and it makes him a huger star. I'd take 10 Rileys in a company before I'd get to a John Morrison. Sounds like most crowds right now would as well. A blind assumption? How long has Riley been in the company? How much wrestling and promotional touring has he done? How many times has he risked his body to entertain the fans? How long has John Morrison been in the company? How long has Kofi Kingston been in the company? Every time Morrison's finally been able to really get the crowd behind him they pull the plug on his push. And they pull the same shit with Kofi Kingston. Kofi's been over huge on like four or five separate occasions. And what did they do with him there? They squashed him against Randy Orton, they let Alberto Del Rio (a guy I really like, too) steamroll him. And so forth. I can agree with you that Morrison's not a good mic worker, but then, does he need to be? Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio are infamous for being agonizing mic workers too. But they got over big. Know why? Because as wrestlers and charismatic personalities they captivated the audiences. Morrison's done the same thing repeatedly, and every time he has, it gets stunted, like on Smackdown back in 2009 or Raw late last year before that ridiculous "Gnome" promo which you mentioned. But they pulled the plug on him...for what? What good did doing that accomplish? Morrison lets the ring work do the talking; he shouldn't be wasting his time trying to talk up a storm that he will clearly not create. Is Alex Riley anywhere near John Morrison in the ring? I don't think he is. Obviously this is subjective, like most things in wrestling, but Morrison's built a reputation of MOTNs. Has Riley lit it up in any of his matches so far? I wouldn't say so. Is he really any better on the mic than Morrison? Not really, his promos are "steadier" than Morrison's but they're also bland and devoid sort of flair or style. So after all the mismanagement that Morrison has received, why can't he get a steady push for once in a while, after all he's done? And the same thing goes for Kofi Kingston, especially Kofi Kingston who is a solid ring worker with respectable mic skills and regular crowd support. Why does he get screwed over? What did *he* do wrong? Alex Riley didn't get over because of promos or wrestling skill. He got over because he turned on Mike the Miz, THE most hated heel who actually wrestles in WWE right now. That's circumstantial, and anybody could've done that.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 2, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5
My line of thinking is simple: I like wrestlers who entertain me. Riley doesn't entertain me much, so I don't like him yet. If he starts entertaining me, I'll like him. Until then, I'll still enjoy him if only for his theme song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:48:00 GMT -5
I feel like we go through this song and dance every time someone new gets any kind of a push So do I. "Let's get some new blood." *new blood* "SAVE.US/(insert veteran here)." Rock must thank his lucky stars he didn't debut in this era as Rocky Maivia. Apparently the time limit for showing everything you have before you're deemed a failure or worthless or "a clutter" is 15 seconds. This is completely unfair to me. I like nine out of ten new guys and don't complain when they get pushed. And one guy who I honestly think isn't good is getting a disproportionate push and I say something, and all of a sudden I get...this? I'd be cool with almost ANYBODY on the current roster (notable exception David Otunga) getting this kind of push instead of Riley, but I get lumped into this group.
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Post by Fauxberg on Aug 2, 2011 13:50:45 GMT -5
So do I. "Let's get some new blood." *new blood* "SAVE.US/(insert veteran here)." Rock must thank his lucky stars he didn't debut in this era as Rocky Maivia. Apparently the time limit for showing everything you have before you're deemed a failure or worthless or "a clutter" is 15 seconds. This is completely unfair to me. I like nine out of ten new guys and don't complain when they get pushed. And one guy who I honestly think isn't good is getting a disproportionate push and I say something, and all of a sudden I get...this? I'd be cool with almost ANYBODY on the current roster (notable exception David Otunga) getting this kind of push instead of Riley, but I get lumped into this group. If so, then what makes Riley different from the guys you DO like?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 13:53:48 GMT -5
This is completely unfair to me. I like nine out of ten new guys and don't complain when they get pushed. And one guy who I honestly think isn't good is getting a disproportionate push and I say something, and all of a sudden I get...this? I'd be cool with almost ANYBODY on the current roster (notable exception David Otunga) getting this kind of push instead of Riley, but I get lumped into this group. If so, then what makes Riley different from the guys you DO like? I don't find him entertaining in the ring or on the mic, like I do with the other guys. How does this keep falling through the cracks of this discussion?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 2, 2011 13:53:59 GMT -5
I feel like we go through this song and dance every time someone new gets any kind of a push So do I. "Let's get some new blood." *new blood* "SAVE.US/(insert veteran here)." Rock must thank his lucky stars he didn't debut in this era as Rocky Maivia. Apparently the time limit for showing everything you have before you're deemed a failure or worthless or "a clutter" is 15 seconds. Absolutely. Guys need time to find their niche. Look at Miz. The guy was terrible when he started off, but they gave him something to work with (teaming him with Morrison) and he busted his ass to get where he is. Santino crashed and burned at first, but developed when given a chance find his place. He developed into a comedy act, and eventually, got crazy over. Sheamus took a beating when he found himself in the ME. I think his current face turn may be the thing that swings his career. You cant toss a guy out there and say "Ok, be a star.....NOW!". Most of the great stars go through peaks and valleys before it's figured out what to do with them
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Post by Fauxberg on Aug 2, 2011 13:57:19 GMT -5
So do I. "Let's get some new blood." *new blood* "SAVE.US/(insert veteran here)." Rock must thank his lucky stars he didn't debut in this era as Rocky Maivia. Apparently the time limit for showing everything you have before you're deemed a failure or worthless or "a clutter" is 15 seconds. Absolutely. Guys need time to find their niche. Look at Miz. The guy was terrible when he started off, but they gave him something to work with (teaming him with Morrison) and he busted his ass to get where he is. Santino crashed and burned at first, but developed when given a chance find his place. He developed into a comedy act, and eventually, got crazy over. Sheamus took a beating when he found himself in the ME. I think his current face turn may be the thing that swings his career. You cant toss a guy out there and say "Ok, be a star.....NOW!". Most of the great stars go through peaks and valleys before it's figured out what to do with them Exactly. Rocky Maivia - The Rock The Ringmaster - Stone Cold Steve Austin The Prototype - John Cena See the pattern?
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