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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 17:48:47 GMT -5
Also, Riley is a really good brawler, and that's an underrated trait in the wrestling biz these days. "Brawling" sounds like it would be easy and any wrestler can do it, and that's true, but to be good at it takes a lot of energy and excitement. Riley's got fire, you can't really teach that. His charisma comes through when he's fighting. To his credit, he hits some moves that I wouldn't expect too. He hit a nice dropkick from outside onto an opponent on the ring apron. It was kind of an innovative move for a guy his size.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 17:51:30 GMT -5
I don't know about heavily - just featured at all. But in comparison to people who want him just totally gone, I guess what I want/think is fair seems like a lot. I'd hope what you said is what people would want from anyone, but truth be told, it doesn't usually sound that way. Honestly, the whole thing for me is that every time there's someone new that seems to be getting any kind of a chance to elevate themselves above the level they're at, every one who's always crowing about wanting new stars are usually the first ones who swoop in and start immediately finding ways that it's not right, when the reason is usually just that it's someone who's not their preference. I don't see how that kind of approach is conducive to ever getting new stars, nor do I see how it allows some people to even form into something/one that people can get behind. It's unfeasible to think that everyone who comes up straight away is going to be this amazing star. Some people just need some time and a chance. A true chance, not something immediate. With Alex Riley, I don't really see what the big deal is. Do I think he's the greatest thing I've ever seen? No, but I don't know why he in particular is always brought up in a negative light. It's perplexing to me. Just let the guy have a chance. In a lot of ways I agree with you - A-Ry needs more time to show his stuff and should be given a shot, but in all fairness - if being on TV for a solid year next to guys like Miz, Cena, Rock and Austin; basically having a strong foot hold in the championship seen; and getting more time on the microphone most weeks than either of the mid-card champs isn't enough time/opportunity, it really makes me wonder what it will take. My question to you - how many more chances should people give him? It's really unfair to say something like "hes had a year". Until 2 months ago, he was a lackey for Gods sakes! How can you impress someone when you're essentially just there to get your assbeat/slide a briefcase into the ring? That's not really "a chance".
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Post by King Boo on Aug 2, 2011 17:59:22 GMT -5
I don't know about heavily - just featured at all. But in comparison to people who want him just totally gone, I guess what I want/think is fair seems like a lot. I'd hope what you said is what people would want from anyone, but truth be told, it doesn't usually sound that way. Honestly, the whole thing for me is that every time there's someone new that seems to be getting any kind of a chance to elevate themselves above the level they're at, every one who's always crowing about wanting new stars are usually the first ones who swoop in and start immediately finding ways that it's not right, when the reason is usually just that it's someone who's not their preference. I don't see how that kind of approach is conducive to ever getting new stars, nor do I see how it allows some people to even form into something/one that people can get behind. It's unfeasible to think that everyone who comes up straight away is going to be this amazing star. Some people just need some time and a chance. A true chance, not something immediate. With Alex Riley, I don't really see what the big deal is. Do I think he's the greatest thing I've ever seen? No, but I don't know why he in particular is always brought up in a negative light. It's perplexing to me. Just let the guy have a chance. In a lot of ways I agree with you - A-Ry needs more time to show his stuff and should be given a shot, but in all fairness - if being on TV for a solid year next to guys like Miz, Cena, Rock and Austin; basically having a strong foot hold in the championship seen; and getting more time on the microphone most weeks than either of the mid-card champs isn't enough time/opportunity, it really makes me wonder what it will take. My question to you - how many more chances should people give him? Honestly? I don't count that at all. He wasn't the focus 99% of the time during that. He was there to be a lackey and to take the fall for Miz. That's all. That's not chance, that's a door opening. His bit with the Miz where he finally gave Miz what he deserved was short but I thought he did fine. I think he walked through the door well enough to get a good number of fans behind him to a fair degree. Now he's inside the building and I think this thing that may start with Dolph is his first actual chance at something all his own, away from ties to NXT or the Miz. Seeing it that way, I suppose my answer is give him a chance at all. That's the thing with all this - on one hand, people are saying that "anyone who worked with Miz at that point could have gotten that" but when I turn around and say "this is his first chance at something on his own, give him a fair shot", people don't want to. It's kind of a no-win where chances are concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 18:00:11 GMT -5
In a lot of ways I agree with you - A-Ry needs more time to show his stuff and should be given a shot, but in all fairness - if being on TV for a solid year next to guys like Miz, Cena, Rock and Austin; basically having a strong foot hold in the championship seen; and getting more time on the microphone most weeks than either of the mid-card champs isn't enough time/opportunity, it really makes me wonder what it will take. My question to you - how many more chances should people give him? It's really unfair to say something like "hes had a year". Until 2 months ago, he was a lackey for Gods sakes! How can you impress someone when you're essentially just there to get your assbeat/slide a briefcase into the ring? That's not really "a chance". I don't see how its not fair to say that's a chance. I'd imagine there are tons of guys who would have loved the chance to cut a promo on Austin or the Rock or Cena. That is the definition of being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? Let him pin Cena 1-2-3? Let him out promo the Rock? They give him tons of chances and he didn't really shine....what's the big deal. it happens all the time. He can bounce back from that. I think he was given a helluva chance. Even more so than most mid-card guys.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 2, 2011 18:06:53 GMT -5
Here's the big thing, the crowd likes him already. Even if he's "generic".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 18:51:21 GMT -5
In a lot of ways I agree with you - A-Ry needs more time to show his stuff and should be given a shot, but in all fairness - if being on TV for a solid year next to guys like Miz, Cena, Rock and Austin; basically having a strong foot hold in the championship seen; and getting more time on the microphone most weeks than either of the mid-card champs isn't enough time/opportunity, it really makes me wonder what it will take. My question to you - how many more chances should people give him? Honestly? I don't count that at all. He wasn't the focus 99% of the time during that. He was there to be a lackey and to take the fall for Miz. That's all. That's not chance, that's a door opening. His bit with the Miz where he finally gave Miz what he deserved was short but I thought he did fine. I think he walked through the door well enough to get a good number of fans behind him to a fair degree. Now he's inside the building and I think this thing that may start with Dolph is his first actual chance at something all his own, away from ties to NXT or the Miz. Seeing it that way, I suppose my answer is give him a chance at all. That's the thing with all this - on one hand, people are saying that "anyone who worked with Miz at that point could have gotten that" but when I turn around and say "this is his first chance at something on his own, give him a fair shot", people don't want to. It's kind of a no-win where chances are concerned. I see working in the main event scene - even as second fiddle - as a pretty big opportunity and a huge chance for any performer. You don't - and that's cool, but I'm just asking you to see why people would have the opinion they do. I'm asking you to see how someone could see A-Ry for the better part of a year+, not be impressed by him and say "Okay, well if that's what you bring to the table - I'm not interested." People gave him a chance, he didn't click with them. But to say that people aren't giving him a chance because you don't count the year he spent as the Miz's sidekick - to me, that's not fair and honestly its a little insulting to the people who feel that way. No one is saying its unfair for you to like A-Ry - they're saying they don't. You're basically saying its unfair for them not to like A-Ry. And you don't see anything unfair about that?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Aug 2, 2011 19:44:56 GMT -5
I'm on Team Roxie for this debate. All she is saying is give A-Ry a chance to feud with someone completely unrelated and fresh to him. The guy has almost no legacy yet, let it build, starting with Ziggler.
Besides, with the crowd behind Riley, it might rub off on Ziggler as well. How relevant has he been the past month or two? If the guy who broke up with the Miz thinks that the US Championship is a big enough deal to compete for, and Ziggler 'n' Vicky sure seem to think so too, maybe it just might make it look like it actually is a big deal because of this feud. Lord knows The Miz did nothing to actually make it look special.
So really, let's give this feud a chance.
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Post by King Boo on Aug 2, 2011 20:03:30 GMT -5
Honestly? I don't count that at all. He wasn't the focus 99% of the time during that. He was there to be a lackey and to take the fall for Miz. That's all. That's not chance, that's a door opening. His bit with the Miz where he finally gave Miz what he deserved was short but I thought he did fine. I think he walked through the door well enough to get a good number of fans behind him to a fair degree. Now he's inside the building and I think this thing that may start with Dolph is his first actual chance at something all his own, away from ties to NXT or the Miz. Seeing it that way, I suppose my answer is give him a chance at all. That's the thing with all this - on one hand, people are saying that "anyone who worked with Miz at that point could have gotten that" but when I turn around and say "this is his first chance at something on his own, give him a fair shot", people don't want to. It's kind of a no-win where chances are concerned. I see working in the main event scene - even as second fiddle - as a pretty big opportunity and a huge chance for any performer. You don't - and that's cool, but I'm just asking you to see why people would have the opinion they do. I'm asking you to see how someone could see A-Ry for the better part of a year+, not be impressed by him and say "Okay, well if that's what you bring to the table - I'm not interested." People gave him a chance, he didn't click with them. But to say that people aren't giving him a chance because you don't count the year he spent as the Miz's sidekick - to me, that's not fair and honestly its a little insulting to the people who feel that way. No one is saying its unfair for you to like A-Ry - they're saying they don't. You're basically saying its unfair for them not to like A-Ry. And you don't see anything unfair about that? I said my piece, explained my view and insulted no one. If you don't agree, awesomesauce. You have your view and I have mine and like I said a few posts ago - let's agree to disagree. So here is where I bow out because when it starts getting into "I'm insulted" territory, I'm dunzo.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 2, 2011 20:11:35 GMT -5
I've liked the dude from the first ep. of NXT 2. The guy just has it; even being admittedly green, if he continues to improve, sky is the limit.
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 3, 2011 13:14:20 GMT -5
similar to what a couple others have said, i heard the music and tried figuring out who just got signed who had such good music, then i saw it was A-Ri, sighed disappointedly and hit the FF button. Well, he's hardly going to get a chance to get over with you if you FF through his stuff. been watching him since Nexus, the whole Miz lackey/feud but he just screams "should not be a face" to me personally. the beatdown on the Miz was a good one however i must in the interests of fairness. but seeing him coming out as a face now just makes me cringe and thus the FF reaction to his appearances these days. on the opposite side of things. R-Truth used to make me FF the second i heard his music (though i had no problem with him in TNA/IW). now i watch all the wacky adventures he and his invisible friends are up to.
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Post by Sektor on Aug 3, 2011 13:22:17 GMT -5
I feel like it needs a little love so I'll say it: I support the A-Bomb fully.
It's fun, and it's silly. Not everything in wrestling has to be super serious, sometimes you just need a cheesy move like the People's Elbow or the A-Bomb to have a little fun.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 3, 2011 13:25:15 GMT -5
Miz is a hated heel, so Riley beating him to a pulp immediately gave him a face boost.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Aug 3, 2011 13:34:43 GMT -5
I can't stand Riley. I just don't see anything in him that makes him better than anybody else on the roster. He reminds me of the endless cookie cutter wrestlers that WWE experimented with a few years ago. He's a mediocre promo guy, a below average wrestler, and doesn't seem likable at all. He seriously reminds me of The Miz, just worse on the mic but with a better look.
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Post by Jobes on Aug 3, 2011 14:13:14 GMT -5
He has souless eyes.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 3, 2011 14:18:08 GMT -5
BTW, when Cody Rhodes debuted eveyone thought he was generic as hell and even called him CAWdy Rhodes. Look how that turned out. Cody never scoop slammed Bob Holly instead of their opponents.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 3, 2011 21:52:07 GMT -5
It's really unfair to say something like "hes had a year". Until 2 months ago, he was a lackey for Gods sakes! How can you impress someone when you're essentially just there to get your assbeat/slide a briefcase into the ring? That's not really "a chance". I don't see how its not fair to say that's a chance. I'd imagine there are tons of guys who would have loved the chance to cut a promo on Austin or the Rock or Cena. That is the definition of being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? Let him pin Cena 1-2-3? Let him out promo the Rock? They give him tons of chances and he didn't really shine....what's the big deal. it happens all the time. He can bounce back from that. I think he was given a helluva chance. Even more so than most mid-card guys. no, being someone's lackey is not being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? They could have separated him from Miz or have them as a tag team or have Miz function as a manager as Riley worked the midcard. Their relationship was clearly Dibiase and Virgil not HBK and Diesel
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 9:42:07 GMT -5
I don't see how its not fair to say that's a chance. I'd imagine there are tons of guys who would have loved the chance to cut a promo on Austin or the Rock or Cena. That is the definition of being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? Let him pin Cena 1-2-3? Let him out promo the Rock? They give him tons of chances and he didn't really shine....what's the big deal. it happens all the time. He can bounce back from that. I think he was given a helluva chance. Even more so than most mid-card guys. no, being someone's lackey is not being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? They could have separated him from Miz or have them as a tag team or have Miz function as a manager as Riley worked the midcard. Their relationship was clearly Dibiase and Virgil not HBK and Diesel They did tag occasionally. To me the guy is basically Virgil. He's not Diesel because he's not interesting to me, not because he was a lackey. You can be booked to lose and be someone's lackey and still be able to establish a character and generate interest in yourself. He didn't do it, so it shouldn't be a huge suprise that people aren't taking to him wholesale. Hopefully he will in the future, but if people aren't taking to him now as a legit face, that's not the audience's fault for not giving him a chance, that's A-Ry's fault not making to most of a huge opportunity. The guy has potential - there's no denying that, but right now he's boring to myself and others. I don't understand why that's such a contentious point. No one is saying - "I don't like A-Ry and I NEVER WILL!!!!" We're just saying right now - meh, he's nothing special so I don't care.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 4, 2011 18:22:54 GMT -5
no, being someone's lackey is not being given a chance. What more could they have done for him? They could have separated him from Miz or have them as a tag team or have Miz function as a manager as Riley worked the midcard. Their relationship was clearly Dibiase and Virgil not HBK and Diesel They did tag occasionally. To me the guy is basically Virgil. He's not Diesel because he's not interesting to me, not because he was a lackey. You can be booked to lose and be someone's lackey and still be able to establish a character and generate interest in yourself. He didn't do it, so it shouldn't be a huge suprise that people aren't taking to him wholesale. Hopefully he will in the future, but if people aren't taking to him now as a legit face, that's not the audience's fault for not giving him a chance, that's A-Ry's fault not making to most of a huge opportunity. The guy has potential - there's no denying that, but right now he's boring to myself and others. I don't understand why that's such a contentious point. No one is saying - "I don't like A-Ry and I NEVER WILL!!!!" We're just saying right now - meh, he's nothing special so I don't care. well there you go. He's Virgil. THing is Virgil was pretty over for at least the first year and a half of his run.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 4, 2011 21:06:38 GMT -5
THe music for me. I love when he comes out for only that reason.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 5, 2011 0:06:22 GMT -5
If so, then what makes Riley different from the guys you DO like? I don't find him entertaining in the ring or on the mic, like I do with the other guys. How does this keep falling through the cracks of this discussion? Do you find Morrison entertaining on the mic?
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