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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 14:01:45 GMT -5
Are people really calling some of the best current pro-wrestlers in the world 'cosplayers'? I hate you, a lot, sorry. This. This.
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Post by Schemer on Jul 2, 2011 14:04:24 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"...
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Jul 2, 2011 14:15:06 GMT -5
I have yet to see the match yet but think Davey Richards is a really awesome wrestler,he really gives it his all out there when he wrestles and that is proof why he is the current champion in ROH.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 2, 2011 14:16:27 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... It's a Wrestlecrap FAN tradition.
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Post by Schemer on Jul 2, 2011 14:36:50 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... It's a Wrestlecrap FAN tradition. It strikes me as humorous. Like "Where were you five minutes ago?"
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 2, 2011 14:44:46 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... It's awesome when you can invalidate and marginalize the opinions of others without actually ADDING to the discourse, isn't it?
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jul 2, 2011 14:45:21 GMT -5
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. The ROH threads being full of Davey lovers and nary a voice to the contrary while having a fraction the interest it use to have speaks volumes. There use to be single-show threads that went 20 pages. Now it takes 2 months to get that number of posts and it's usually the same 2-3 people.
So it's not that the anti-Davey people are jumping on a bandwagon all of a sudden, it's that they made up their mind many moons ago not to care.
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Post by Schemer on Jul 2, 2011 14:48:59 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... It's awesome when you can invalidate and marginalize the opinions of others without actually ADDING to the discourse, isn't it? What's to add? I can't really say much because I haven't seen ROH in quite awhile, so I don't feel I can truly comment on Richards or the feud. It was more how I feel in general about threads like this that I've seen over the years here. I'm not invalidating your opinion, so, I'm sure you won't invalidate mine, right?
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jul 2, 2011 15:02:02 GMT -5
I actually disagree with the OP's review of the match in many regards.
Let me just say that I had honestly never seen either of these guys work outside of a couple tag matches, and had no opinion of them going into the match.
That being said, I watched the match, and thought both the psychology and the selling were quite good. Edwards sold his arm throughout most of the match. Granted, it wasn't a constant thing, but he sold it hard for a while, then slacked off a bit, and would sell it sporadically throughout the remainder. It's little things he did (shaking his arm after a lariat, or gripping his elbow after a slam) that made all the difference to me. Richards didn't really have a specifically targeted area, and did a great job of just looking beaten as the match went on. He did have the ankle later in the match, but as another poster stated, one hard blow isn't usually enough to throw off your whole night. He sold it well for a little while, but recovered because it wasn't specifically targeted. I feel like having done much more than he did would have pushed him into an oversold state, which is as bad, if not worse, than no selling. Plus, I felt like Edwards placing him in the ankle lock late in the match was a nod to the earlier damage done to the area.
As far as the psychology of the match, for once I actually felt like the big moves and false finishes were definitely called for. The whole purpose here was to find out which man was the best, which means throwing everything you can at the other guy, and also having to dig as deep as you can to come back from what you've been hit with. It wasn't one huge move after another; it was some wearing down, some big spots, some near falls, some reversals, and then back to the drawing board. It made complete sense to me, and was extremely effective in establishing how well these men knew each other, and how well matched they were. Neither man came out looking weak, but one just had a tiny bit more to give, and wanted it just a tiny bit more in the end.
For a guy like me, with basically no knowledge of either competitor or the story leading up to it, I think these 2 men did a great job of telling me the whole story in the ring, and both deserve every bit of credit they receive for it. I think this match is fantastic, and have become interested in both men after seeing it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 2, 2011 18:19:13 GMT -5
I haven't seen the match in question, but the moment I realized I was just about done with all current wrestling was when I went to the ROH show in Toronto last summer and saw Briscoes vs. Kings of Wrestling for the tag belts, followed by the Richards vs. Tyler Black World Title main event.
It dawned on me as I watched the tag title match that these guys were going through tables, hitting VERY hard moves (or at least selling them like they were stiff), tons of false finishes...and I was completely and utterly bored.
Same thing happened during the World Title match. The match was long, back and forth, tons of near falls, and I just kept checking my watch to see if they'd wrap it up soon.
I'm not sure what entirely caused this; some of it might have been burnout, some of it might have been all the near falls (and me being able to predict just about every time when they'd kick out of them), but the fact remained that I just didn't give a damn anymore.
This is hard to say, coming from a guy who was one of the early ROH bandwagoners on this board back in 2004, and for awhile arguably the board's biggest ROH-bot, but it's absolutely true.
So I'm not totally sure if it's all the new guys and their current style of working, but the whole scene just turns me off now, I think.
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Post by perkleton on Jul 3, 2011 1:48:24 GMT -5
It's a Wrestlecrap FAN tradition. It strikes me as humorous. Like "Where were you five minutes ago?" its pretty simple really, im not one to make threads usually because im lazy, but i'll reply to this to agree because i dont really see it voiced that often, in my experience, and i did think it when watching them. i dont think its about people jumping on bandwaggons for no reason. in fact i'd say the people who find fault with it or cant get into it give reasons in this thread, but those who disagree make irrelivent comments or blunt statements about davey/eddie being great without stating reasons whatsoever. im sure they have their reasons, but that doesnt mean that the people who agree with OP didnt do "5 mins ago"
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Post by slasher911 on Jul 3, 2011 2:45:23 GMT -5
Have you guys ever heard of adrenaline?
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jul 3, 2011 3:00:46 GMT -5
lol Such hate!! Davey and Eddie put on what I think is the best match of the year hands down. Only thing I can think of that remotely comes close to it was Taker vs. Triple H at mania. I guess people here love that since they sold each move for about 20 minutes before getting up?
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Post by Starshine on Jul 3, 2011 4:30:01 GMT -5
Have you guys ever heard of adrenaline? Adrenaline rush. Adrenaline rush, now.
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Post by biafra on Jul 3, 2011 6:43:19 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... It's awesome when you can invalidate and marginalize the opinions of others without actually ADDING to the discourse, isn't it? Yeah, it'd be a whole lot better if he'd just sniff around for any mention of Davey Richards in order to call him Chris Benoit over and over again.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 3, 2011 9:09:33 GMT -5
It's awesome when you can invalidate and marginalize the opinions of others without actually ADDING to the discourse, isn't it? Yeah, it'd be a whole lot better if he'd just sniff around for any mention of Davey Richards in order to call him Chris Benoit over and over again. Yes, pardon me for coming into a thread about Davey Richards to discuss Davey Richards. Find me one instance where I've brought him up in a thread that wasn't directly about him.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Jul 3, 2011 9:25:58 GMT -5
I actually disagree with the OP's review of the match in many regards. Let me just say that I had honestly never seen either of these guys work outside of a couple tag matches, and had no opinion of them going into the match. That being said, I watched the match, and thought both the psychology and the selling were quite good. Edwards sold his arm throughout most of the match. Granted, it wasn't a constant thing, but he sold it hard for a while, then slacked off a bit, and would sell it sporadically throughout the remainder. It's little things he did (shaking his arm after a lariat, or gripping his elbow after a slam) that made all the difference to me. Richards didn't really have a specifically targeted area, and did a great job of just looking beaten as the match went on. He did have the ankle later in the match, but as another poster stated, one hard blow isn't usually enough to throw off your whole night. He sold it well for a little while, but recovered because it wasn't specifically targeted. I feel like having done much more than he did would have pushed him into an oversold state, which is as bad, if not worse, than no selling. Plus, I felt like Edwards placing him in the ankle lock late in the match was a nod to the earlier damage done to the area. As far as the psychology of the match, for once I actually felt like the big moves and false finishes were definitely called for. The whole purpose here was to find out which man was the best, which means throwing everything you can at the other guy, and also having to dig as deep as you can to come back from what you've been hit with. It wasn't one huge move after another; it was some wearing down, some big spots, some near falls, some reversals, and then back to the drawing board. It made complete sense to me, and was extremely effective in establishing how well these men knew each other, and how well matched they were. Neither man came out looking weak, but one just had a tiny bit more to give, and wanted it just a tiny bit more in the end. For a guy like me, with basically no knowledge of either competitor or the story leading up to it, I think these 2 men did a great job of telling me the whole story in the ring, and both deserve every bit of credit they receive for it. I think this match is fantastic, and have become interested in both men after seeing it. I was about to type a very similar argument. This was a very anticipated main event on a show called "Best in The World" that had been hyped as the biggest show in company's history. This was not the time to hold back. Granted, once they get back on TV they should not be having matches like this on a weekly basis. They should save that for only the big Ippv shows.
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Post by biafra on Jul 3, 2011 10:24:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it'd be a whole lot better if he'd just sniff around for any mention of Davey Richards in order to call him Chris Benoit over and over again. Yes, pardon me for coming into a thread about Davey Richards to discuss Davey Richards. Find me one instance where I've brought him up in a thread that wasn't directly about him. No, you just say EXACTLY the same s*** EVERY time he is brought up, although in the past you admit to not following the guy for years. You have a right to do that. I have a right to find it silly and say it.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 3, 2011 10:34:07 GMT -5
I just think it's strange that these guys can dedicate years upon years to pro wrestling, and not remember to sell a body part for more than a minute. Such an outdated concept. I've you've ever stubbed a toe or accidentally kicked a chair, yeah it'll hurt for maybe a few seconds, but after a moment you'll end up feeling normal. Case in point, Davey kicks the ring post, sells the leg for a few minutes, but eventually gets the feeling back. when you twist your knee you can limp for days
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Post by mrjl on Jul 3, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5
I've not seen a whole lot of Davey or Eddie for that matter, but I always notice when someone does a thread like this, 20 people immediately jump in and and are like "Yeah, yeah! I hate that too!"... well that might just mean people are surprised with how common an opinion it is
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