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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 16:24:45 GMT -5
Hardy should be fired for this. He's a danger to everyone around him. He could kill someone under the influence. Mistakes happen but if he comes back and something serious happens then TNA would be finished.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 14, 2011 16:26:00 GMT -5
"op" = latin word "opus" = work I also noticed that. Though we could be grasping at straws here. ;D
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Mar 14, 2011 16:27:25 GMT -5
TNA should have sent Flair out to challenge Sting after the Jeff debacle. Sting and Flair can improvise a quick match, they're both over and they have a legendary feud to play off of for 10 minutes or so. Then we would have a 30 page thread on TNA being stupid for not advertising that.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 14, 2011 16:28:00 GMT -5
And you and I are allowed to make on-the-fly booking calls like that in a minute and it doesn't matter how good or bad they are, cause it's just internet armchair booking. When they do it, it has long-lasting, far-reaching implications to the buildup of things they're working towards. Having Sting go out and do damage control and squash him was the only way to accomplish that without A) putting anyone in danger and B) messing up future plans. It is just internet armchair booking,and I said that. I also said it'd have long lasting complications and it might screw up their individual storylines. But thats just what I would do. I would of tried to give the fans their moneys worth,or at least something better. Future plans of abyss dont really matter to me when the biggest star of the companys kinda seemingly out of it. Im not insulting you but its kinda odd for you to ask a question to an open forum,then immedately say my answer was irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 16:29:03 GMT -5
TNA should have sent Flair out to challenge Sting after the Jeff debacle. Sting and Flair can improvise a quick match, they're both over and they have a legendary feud to play off of for 10 minutes or so. Then we would have a 30 page thread on TNA being stupid for not advertising that. At least there would have been a respectable main event, and when the story of Jeff being messed up came out it would have been forgivable.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Mar 14, 2011 16:29:38 GMT -5
The more I think about Meltzer's take on all of this, the sicker it makes me. Assuming that it wasn't a work (and by all indications it isn't), then somebody (or people) were fully okay with sending out an intoxicated Jeff Hardy to work a match solely to generate discussion/interest. That's horrible exploitation at the highest level and a clear indication that TNA doesn't give a care at all about the safety and well-being of its workers.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Mar 14, 2011 16:30:02 GMT -5
And you and I are allowed to make on-the-fly booking calls like that in a minute and it doesn't matter how good or bad they are, cause it's just internet armchair booking. When they do it, it has long-lasting, far-reaching implications to the buildup of things they're working towards. Having Sting go out and do damage control and squash him was the only way to accomplish that without A) putting anyone in danger and B) messing up future plans. It is just internet armchair booking,and I said that. I also said it'd have long lasting complications and it might screw up their individual storylines. But thats just what I would do. I would of tried to give the fans their moneys worth,or at least something better. Future plans of abyss dont really matter to me when the biggest star of the companys kinda seemingly out of it. Im not insulting you but its kinda odd for you to ask a question to an open forum,then immedately say my answer was irrelevant. Sorry, my response was at Amityville Rock - he and I had been going back and forth at the end of the last thread.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 14, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
Guessing they'll write him out by Bischoff saying his PPV performance proved he's not worthy of being Immortal's chosen one or whatever. Don't know how they'd push as the top heel in his place, though. TNA Champion Cow Blood? I agree that the Cold Blood moniker is not working, but TNA could do worse. The thing is that with Hogan in kayfabe control, Immortal has to have a main event presence. AJ and Matt Morgan have already rejected Immortal, so they are out. Jarrett is buried deep in the Angle business. Hernandez won't work. Terry is not ready. Abyss is ice cold in the heat department. Gunner and Murphy are Gunner and Murphy. No one else already in TNA is in even a half way decent spot to be brought into that role. MVP might be available soon, but I think if he is to have an impact on TNA (should they hire him) it will only be as a face. Honestly, if Matt were to go off on an egotistical rant about how Bischoff and Hogan are giving him the power to change wrestling and save the industry from itself, it could work. He would have three of the best talkers ever (Hogan, Flair, and Bischoff) doing half of his talking for him.
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Post by kdawg on Mar 14, 2011 16:30:45 GMT -5
How big of a deal is this though? Very odd/bizarre, yes? TNA has mud on their face if this is not a work, yes? I hope Jeff gets the help he needs and deserves as he is one of my favorite wrestlers, yes. But ultimately, why is this such a big deal "in the grand scheme of things" wrestling related. The TNA board here has more viewers than the WWE one, with the Hardy situation having over 30 pages in a thread on the topic in less than 24 hours since it happened.
Its not like TNA is even close with competing with WWE and Jeff gets fired possibly. What "huge" ramifications does this one situation have on the rest of the wrestling world like its the Montreal Screwjob or something?!? Other than I hope Jeff is ultimately ok and gets help its just a bizarre situation is all. Gooker of the year award if you ask me.
Also I am glad no one got hurt.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 14, 2011 16:33:21 GMT -5
It is just internet armchair booking,and I said that. I also said it'd have long lasting complications and it might screw up their individual storylines. But thats just what I would do. I would of tried to give the fans their moneys worth,or at least something better. Future plans of abyss dont really matter to me when the biggest star of the companys kinda seemingly out of it. Im not insulting you but its kinda odd for you to ask a question to an open forum,then immedately say my answer was irrelevant. Sorry, my response was at Amityville Rock - he and I had been going back and forth at the end of the last thread. Indeed, and while I see your point I still think TNA should have pulled Hardy from that match. I'm of course assuming this isn't a work of some sort.
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Post by Abused Tampon on Mar 14, 2011 16:33:35 GMT -5
Its pro wrasslin, and in a company where the storylines are written by worked shoot fanatic Russo, so you have to assume this is a work.
Also, lol @ anyone questioning TNA stooping to such levels. Of course they would, they have a rep for producing tedious angles.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 14, 2011 16:33:59 GMT -5
It is just internet armchair booking,and I said that. I also said it'd have long lasting complications and it might screw up their individual storylines. But thats just what I would do. I would of tried to give the fans their moneys worth,or at least something better. Future plans of abyss dont really matter to me when the biggest star of the companys kinda seemingly out of it. Im not insulting you but its kinda odd for you to ask a question to an open forum,then immedately say my answer was irrelevant. Sorry, my response was at Amityville Rock - he and I had been going back and forth at the end of the last thread. Oh jeeze. Im sorry. that was stupid of me Accept this picture of billy mays as an apology
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Mar 14, 2011 16:35:19 GMT -5
Its pro wrasslin, and in a company where the storylines are written by worked shoot fanatic Russo, so you have to assume this is a work. Also, lol @ anyone questioning TNA stooping to such levels. Of course they would, they have a rep for producing tedious angles. Yup. Very true and very sad that with the mere presence of Vince Russo you can never tell what's real and what isn't.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Mar 14, 2011 16:37:01 GMT -5
I don't watch a lot of TNA, but has Jeff ever turned up for work impared before? If he has then wouldn't you think TNA management would be checking him the whole night during such a big show. Also he didn't look too good during his entrance so why wasn't this noticed before he came out?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 16:37:05 GMT -5
Guessing they'll write him out by Bischoff saying his PPV performance proved he's not worthy of being Immortal's chosen one or whatever. Don't know how they'd push as the top heel in his place, though. TNA Champion Cow Blood? I agree that the Cold Blood moniker is not working, but TNA could do worse. The thing is that with Hogan in kayfabe control, Immortal has to have a main event presence. AJ and Matt Morgan have already rejected Immortal, so they are out. Jarrett is buried deep in the Angle business. Hernandez won't work. Terry is not ready. Abyss is ice cold in the heat department. Gunner and Murphy are Gunner and Murphy. No one else already in TNA is in even a half way decent spot to be brought into that role. MVP might be available soon, but I think if he is to have an impact on TNA (should they hire him) it will only be as a face. Honestly, if Matt were to go off on an egotistical rant about how Bischoff and Hogan are giving him the power to change wrestling and save the industry from itself, it could work. He would have three of the best talkers ever (Hogan, Flair, and Bischoff) doing half of his talking for him. Yeah, Matt is definitely the best available option at the moment besides bringing in someone new. Though knowing TNA they'll have Kenderson turn heel out of frustration over being unable to beat Van Dam and a desire to be on the winning side. Which is what they should've done in the first place, him or Angle, and it would make a lot more sense than if, say, they had AJ Styles do it. So it'll probably mark the new top heel Kazarian or something.
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Post by ani on Mar 14, 2011 16:37:11 GMT -5
I just watched the video...
Still have no clue what happened. If he was really wonky then that's irresponsible. If it's a work, that's the worst work of all time.
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Post by Disaster Report on Mar 14, 2011 16:37:29 GMT -5
How big of a deal is this though? Very odd/bizarre, yes? What "huge" ramifications does this one situation have on the rest of the wrestling world like its the Montreal Screwjob or something?!? If the powers that be knew Hardy was on something and were ok sending him out, it's a very big deal. Because it exposes their lack of caring for their roster's welfare, and it shows that there's probably little to no drug testing in place. Given the grief WWE has fought over drugs for years, this is a very big deal. Where the Montreal Screwjob kind of lifted the curtain for a lot of fans, last night's PPV dumped several skeletons out of TNA's closet all at once.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Mar 14, 2011 16:38:02 GMT -5
So am I correct in that the in-ring timeline appears to be: -Jeff gets in the ring and whatever he does or says something to Brian Hebner which is apparently crazy enough to causes him to flash the "x sign" -Sting is introduced -Bischoff comes out to figure out what's going on, and talks it over with Jeff and Sting in the guise that he's making it a no DQ match, obviously he was just saying anything to the audience that came into his head. -Sting decides that Jeff is too messed up to work, and uses his finisher to at least make it look like a planned finish to a match, and uses a shoot pin to try and keep Jeff from kicking out.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 14, 2011 16:41:05 GMT -5
Guessing they'll write him out by Bischoff saying his PPV performance proved he's not worthy of being Immortal's chosen one or whatever. Don't know how they'd push as the top heel in his place, though. TNA Champion Cow Blood? I agree that the Cold Blood moniker is not working, but TNA could do worse. The thing is that with Hogan in kayfabe control, Immortal has to have a main event presence. AJ and Matt Morgan have already rejected Immortal, so they are out. Jarrett is buried deep in the Angle business. Hernandez won't work. Terry is not ready. Abyss is ice cold in the heat department. Gunner and Murphy are Gunner and Murphy. No one else already in TNA is in even a half way decent spot to be brought into that role. MVP might be available soon, but I think if he is to have an impact on TNA (should they hire him) it will only be as a face. Anderson would be perfect actually. Lately he's been acting completely obsessed with being World Champion again. I could easily see that leading to him turning heel and aligning with Immortal because he sees that as the only way to becoming World Champ again. He even has Rob Van Dam set up to be the next babyface number 1 contender for him. It actually makes way too much sense for TNA to pull the trigger on it.
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Post by Abused Tampon on Mar 14, 2011 16:41:23 GMT -5
I don't watch a lot of TNA, but has Jeff ever turned up for work impared before? If he has then wouldn't you think TNA management would be checking him the whole night during such a big show. Also he didn't look too good during his entrance so why wasn't this noticed before he came out? lol yes, just a few weeks back. The dirt sheets went wild over it, yet it was explained as "Hardy was tired after a long-haul flight"
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