Sektor
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Post by Sektor on Feb 16, 2012 15:25:40 GMT -5
Because all men are sex-driven animals and if a woman leads us on and then decides she just wants to be friends than we are in the wrong if we do anything other than become her BFF. All kidding aside, this is professional wrestling. Professional. Wrestling. Do you really want to have a philosophical debate involving misogyny and feminism and whether or not the phrase "Friend Zoned" is just sexual frustration based on something that happened in professional wrestling?It depends...but not in this context because I thought it was obvious to everyone, even the most blind that Eve was being a total tease and bitch about it. Seriously. Even the explanation she gave afterwards smacked of: "Uh oh, I got caught!" Well I was being sarcastic about the first point. I'm not saying that some men don't use the term bitterly because they didn't get laid, but in this situation it's just so absolutely clear cut that she was in the wrong that I don't understand how you could play devil's advocate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 16:01:51 GMT -5
Okay, 1: This is pro wrestling. HLA pro wrestling. Vicki Guerrero pro wrestling. "Boo Molly because of her big ass" pro wrestling. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being interpreted anti-woman. To be honest, the fact that you can take a a thread about a sad-sack guy getting his ass kicked over and over, to the point of being crippled, asking no more in return for a girl to be honest about her feelings, not even getting that, and getting his ass kicked again could be "anti-woman", so I'm sticking by my claim. You have not yet earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to going out of your way to interpret everything as "anti-woman". It's not silly, because it perfectly illustrates your underlying sexism and hypocritical double standards. If the angle is "woman pines for man, man rejects her with 'I just want to be friends'" after leading her on for half a year, then your rant comes out as how it's "anti-woman" that a woman was rejected because she didn't want to put out (I'm sure it would be implied) or.. any of a number of things. You are wrong to say it never happens, and you are wrong to say it never happened in this case: as pointed out (which you ignored) Eve stated for a fact that she was never interested in him as anything more than a friend, right from day one. She strung him along. And I agree it's built up on ridiculous premises -- one of them is which it's acceptable (in fact, preferable) for a woman to lie and make up excuses instead of giving a polite rejection or make a clear statement of disinterest. You are simply wrong on this topic if you do not think that there exist women who are deliberately obfuscative in an effort to keep getting dates paid for them, keep getting the attention that comes with having a man interested in them, and so forth; likewise, you are simply wrong on this topic if you do not think that there exist men who are deliberately obfuscative in an effort to keep getting women to "put out". Just to pull two very common examples off my head. You mean, in the same way that the treatment of Vickie and Molly above play to your "women are eternal victims" wish fulfillment fantasies? Again, you are mistaken if you do not believe that there are women who say "let's be friends" but really mean "let's be friends.. but the door's still open in case you want to take me out to dinner on Friday" and imply as much through words or deeds. I agree 100% that the "persistence turns friends into lovers" sentiment that oozes all society is, by and large, a complete lie. Where we disagree is on the role that female duplicity plays in the propagation of that sentiment. How many times must it be said directly to you that this is not the reason why she is being booed? If she (who was never interested in Zack since day one) had said "Zack, that's flattering, but I'm not interested in you that way", he'd have gotten some "awwwws" and probably not much more. If he then persisted in throwing himself at her, including saving her from Kane and then saying "I got beat up for you, don't you see how much I love you", etc. etc... THEN you would have a point. Would you ever have a point. But that's not how it happened. Well, at least there's something we can agree on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 16:03:59 GMT -5
It depends...but not in this context because I thought it was obvious to everyone, even the most blind that Eve was being a total tease and bitch about it. Seriously. Even the explanation she gave afterwards smacked of: "Uh oh, I got caught!" Of course. She knew she wasn't interested, and she knew he was. And I'm sure she knew. I mean, if a sociopathic monster like Kane can see it...
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 16, 2012 16:22:51 GMT -5
This is a whole lot of back and forth for such a crappy angle.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 16, 2012 16:43:04 GMT -5
Maybe Eve wasn't being a tease, but she couldn't find the right way to tell him that she wasn't interested. Since one of them kept getting attacked by Kane every week.
"I'm sorry Kane Broke your back and you're in a wheel chair, but I will never have sex with you".
"Hey Zack, I'm not really that in to you. Oh Crap it's Kane, save me".
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Post by moneyman20 on Feb 16, 2012 16:49:35 GMT -5
So, this thread about the cheesiest angle this side of Kane/Snitsky has turned into a debate on sexism and double standards. See, WWE can be thought-provoking.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 16, 2012 16:50:42 GMT -5
The entire idea of anyone stringing anyone along is ludicrous: It never happens. That is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. At best it's absurdly naive, at worst unbelievably deluded.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2012 17:03:13 GMT -5
Maybe Eve wasn't being a tease, but she couldn't find the right way to tell him that she wasn't interested. Since one of them kept getting attacked by Kane every week. "I'm sorry Kane Broke your back and you're in a wheel chair, but I will never have sex with you". "Hey Zack, I'm not really that in to you. Oh Crap it's Kane, save me". Hey there's six other days in the week. Pick up a phone, or tweet him, Zack uses that thar innerweb. And yeah the idea that people being strung along by someone they're interested in not ever, ever happening is just mind boggling.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 16, 2012 21:47:02 GMT -5
This is a whole lot of back and forth for such a crappy angle. You're a crappy angle
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Feb 16, 2012 22:17:19 GMT -5
This is a whole lot of back and forth for such a crappy angle. You're a crappy angle No,YOUre a crappy angle,Hell,All mods are a crappy angle!
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Feb 16, 2012 22:39:17 GMT -5
If this leads to anything but a Ryder mega-push, we riot.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Feb 16, 2012 22:52:01 GMT -5
Fairly certain that if the genders were reversed, it'd still be seen as "anti-woman" somehow. Okay, 1: This is pro wrestling. HLA pro wrestling. Vicki Guerrero pro wrestling. "Boo Molly because of her big ass" pro wrestling. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being interpreted anti-woman. 2: The reason why it's silly to think about the genders being reversed, is that the internet hasn't been recently consumed with WOMEN'S nerd-rage and self-pity about "the friend zone." That there is almost entirely a dude thing. The entire self-consuming nonsense of "the friend zone" is built up on ridiculous premises. I don't see Eve stringing Zack along, because I'm not primed to think that way. The entire idea of anyone stringing anyone along is ludicrous: It never happens. NO ONE plans something like that out to "reap the benefits of the courtship ritual" because courtship is ambiguous and it sucks. That said: Eve probably WILL be revealed to be a cruel manipulative monster, but that's just because this entire thing is specifically written to play on people's "friend zone" emotions. This entire angle is wish fulfillment for a bunch of creeps on the internet. "Oh, not only did he SUFFER and ACHE for her, he's in a WHEELCHAIR, just like my HEART was in a wheelchair when I pined for Brenda! Zack DESERVES her, and she LIED and strung him along, which certainly FEELS like what Brenda did to me! And when Eve said she wanted to be friends, she really meant that she wanted him to keep getting beaten up by a giant in a mask, which is what happens to my SOUL every moment I try to be platonic friends with a woman!" Booing Eve is based on the simple feeling that Zack suffered for her, therefore she shouldn't be allowed to like someone else more. Creepy enough when it's based on just screwed-up assumptions, even creepier when you realize it allows no room for women to actually make decisions for themselves. I will say this, though: it is HILARIOUS that this is all happening to a character based on those dudes from Jersey Shore. Sorry about Brenda, bro.
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King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 16, 2012 23:27:01 GMT -5
Why does this always happen to my threads, you people cut this out.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Feb 16, 2012 23:48:14 GMT -5
Why does this always happen to my threads, you people cut this out. You plagued this forum with Saxual music,you have no right to complain. No being serious,yeh,this is nto the topic at the point people,you should really stop,make a different thread for it,and let this topic live it purpose
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 17, 2012 0:24:21 GMT -5
So, this thread about the cheesiest angle this side of Kane/Snitsky has turned into a debate on sexism and double standards. See, WWE can be thought-provoking. Who are you to doubt the FAN Forums?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 17, 2012 0:31:59 GMT -5
Never been in a relationship to receive the "Friend-zone", but I've known people who have and normally, they don't remain friends. Getting "Friend-zoned" has now become as cliche to breaking up with someone as "It's not you, it's me".
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 17, 2012 0:34:07 GMT -5
Well to be fair, when the other options are Punk or Johnny Ace it's pretty understandable to want Cena.
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Post by nWoElite on Feb 17, 2012 0:56:36 GMT -5
Also, a clip of the kiss was on the Soup last night, for those of you that watch E!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 5:33:30 GMT -5
Never been in a relationship to receive the "Friend-zone", but I've known people who have and normally, they don't remain friends. Getting "Friend-zoned" has now become as cliche to breaking up with someone as "It's not you, it's me". Which is really a shame. There should be nothing wrong or "evil" with honestly expressing that you just want to be friends with a person of the opposite sex. On the other hand, "being friends" should mean "being friends", not "here's some excuse why I complain to you at unending length how I want someone 'just like you, just NOT you' to date, an excuse I need to give because I can't be honest that I don't find you sexually attractive, because I'm so petulant a human being that I can't admit something as honest as a lack of sexual attraction to someone I profess to admire as a good friend" And for those wondering how something trivial can turn into so serious a discussion, it really shouldn't be that shocking. We, as pro wrestling fans, are accepting a century's worth of forms and standards in a modern light and watching it evolve. It's a common bond, a set of rules we all "get". My support group would call it a Vital Creative Absorbing Interest. Fancy acronyms aside, it just shows how deep the passion goes and how it serves as a foundation for our other interests and passions. And I think it's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2012 12:53:25 GMT -5
This is a whole lot of back and forth for such a crappy angle. You're a crappy angle You're a towel!
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