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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 19:42:47 GMT -5
I want that on a t-shirt. It's no "We're Gonna Eat Your Lunch," but it's funny enough. Ghandi did go on a hunger strike. He may attempt to eat your lunch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 19:48:44 GMT -5
Punk says to stay and fight even though he wasn't out there as the whole roster walked out on HHH? Huh? He didn't walk out on Trips. Neither did Cena or Orton or Sheamus or Kelly or...someone else I forgot. So, going with this theory, that in kayfabe everyone else walked out, they stuck around, and they would (presumably) fight against Trips instead of abandoning hope. Punk has hope. I'm assuming the rest of them have hope too. I don't exactly know how to word any of the thoughts in my head on this.
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Post by primetime110 on Oct 4, 2011 20:17:25 GMT -5
Punk = hypocrite.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 4, 2011 20:20:12 GMT -5
Most faces/heels are hypocrites, when you look further into it. I'm taking this whole thing as Punk acting like a face in his own way.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 4, 2011 20:40:42 GMT -5
Punk says to stay and fight even though he wasn't out there as the whole roster walked out on HHH? Huh? He didn't walk out on Trips. Neither did Cena or Orton or Sheamus or Kelly or...someone else I forgot. So, going with this theory, that in kayfabe everyone else walked out, they stuck around, and they would (presumably) fight against Trips instead of abandoning hope. Punk has hope. I'm assuming the rest of them have hope too. I don't exactly know how to word any of the thoughts in my head on this. The top faces of the company, Johnny Ace's golden girl (and a featured girl in Maxim) and one of Trip's buddies for reals. When you put it like that, it only looks worse. Either Punk's buddy buddy with Haitch, or, again, the look from above the glass ceiling is different from the look from the ground.
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Post by avenger on Oct 4, 2011 21:09:19 GMT -5
"CMPunk Too many tweets from me. Misspellings abound. You CAN'T protest without showing up. I am not Gandhi. I will kick your face." Last two sentences make another good catchphrase. Onw of the many ways that Gandhi got change was by leading boycotts.
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Post by Altabane on Oct 4, 2011 21:33:43 GMT -5
Punk's not leading a boycott
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 21:44:23 GMT -5
Punk's not leading a boycott Then he's not very good at civil disobedience, is he? Because this sure as hell isn't much of a violent revolution.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 4, 2011 21:48:12 GMT -5
"CMPunk Retweeting rant sans cuss words for the kids. Also to piss people off and hear them tell me I'm soft. I am not Gandhi, I will kick your face"
Awesome. Seriously I think this angle is fantastic and Punk is moving to his logical position at the moment. He HAD to see things from the other side. You can't be the main guy, or a main guy, and NOT be a part of the 'system'. Even Austin had that feel after a while.
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Post by botchingitup on Oct 4, 2011 22:09:03 GMT -5
Here's my response to CM Punk: Sellout. No success allowed, everyone.
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Post by Altabane on Oct 4, 2011 22:13:08 GMT -5
"CMPunk Retweeting rant sans cuss words for the kids. Also to piss people off and hear them tell me I'm soft. I am not Gandhi, I will kick your face" Awesome. Seriously I think this angle is fantastic and Punk is moving to his logical position at the moment. He HAD to see things from the other side. You can't be the main guy, or a main guy, and NOT be a part of the 'system'. Even Austin had that feel after a while. This. Cronant's getting it, but apparently a lot of people are getting worked in this thread.
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Post by botchingitup on Oct 4, 2011 22:14:28 GMT -5
Sometimes loosening up a couple of your principles and finally getting heard for the people who matter is a little bit more important than keeping all of them and being shut up forever.
Yeah, this is kayfabe, but I just mean, generalized to all the "LOL SELLOUT" or "LOL HYPOCRITE" nonsense even in non-kayfabe stuff.
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Post by Altabane on Oct 4, 2011 22:20:06 GMT -5
Sometimes loosening up a couple of your principles and finally getting heard for the people who matter is a little bit more important than keeping all of them and being shut up forever. Yeah, this is kayfabe, but I just mean, generalized to all the "LOL SELLOUT" or "LOL HYPOCRITE" nonsense even in non-kayfabe stuff. Punk had everyone's ears, ESPN, Jimmy Kimmel, just about any sports coverage media he wanted. He couldn't have been "shut up" forever.
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Post by botchingitup on Oct 4, 2011 22:27:17 GMT -5
Punk had everyone's ears, ESPN, Jimmy Kimmel, just about any sports coverage media he wanted. He couldn't have been "shut up" forever. Depends what classification of 'shut up' we're looking at. Punk wanted to be a part of the WWE machine while also being successful and changing the mold at least a little. Being on a bunch of other shows while off the actual show, whether he re-signed non-kayfabe just around MITB or not (that's what he claimed), he wasn't going to do anything like that just sitting around. He'd just be a more eloquent version of all the usual suspects pissing and moaning about the WWE after they've been let go. Sometimes rocking the boat JUST ENOUGH to not tip it is the way to start things. Everyone else seems to think it's all about going all out on the revolution, and with something as squeaky-clean and corporate as WWE, it's just not feasible. (Just in case it's not being clear, I like you also agree with Cronant - I just feel the people calling him a sellout, in character or not, are kinda silly)
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Post by Altabane on Oct 4, 2011 22:30:59 GMT -5
I agree 100%, whoever's calling him a sellout is ridiculous, I misunderstood what you said, my bad.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 4, 2011 22:42:12 GMT -5
What a sellout! I bet that bastard has his own tour bus now!
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Post by Rican on Oct 4, 2011 22:46:11 GMT -5
The problem with showing up to voice that you dislike Cena is that people have been doing that for several years now and the WWE still insists on shoving him down everyones throat. Also, I'd argue that Ryder's fan support has already resulted in a push for him, or at least him still having a job and being featured more.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 4, 2011 22:58:41 GMT -5
Booing Cena only makes him more money, as he gets just as many cheers and thus his merch sales say he's the most popular guy. Which is why "what the fans want" is vague as hell. What fans?
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Post by botchingitup on Oct 4, 2011 23:03:02 GMT -5
This is one of those no win scenarios.
If you boo Cena, he's getting a reaction so they can argue that it's better than no reaction. Which is usually true. If you don't boo Cena, the cheers are still quite loud so they instead say you should voice your opinion.
The boos HAVE done a bit, though. They resulted in face Orton staying fairly brutal rather than turning to baby-kissing for fans to have an alternative (say what you want about him, I'm not a fan, but the demand for him to be an anti-heroic face was HUGE here when it was happening), and I'm sure it was a partial catalyst for Punk to be on fairly equal billing once he did face turn. Any reason he'd be second with Cena first is probably more about main event "seniority" than anything else, given how much merch he pushes.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 4, 2011 23:31:48 GMT -5
Booing Cena only makes him more money, as he gets just as many cheers and thus his merch sales say he's the most popular guy. Which is why "what the fans want" is vague as hell. What fans? The fans that don't like Cena, re: his fans. A multinational company probably has tens of millions of fans. Out of those numbers, you'll have people who love, like, dislike, hate, and are indifferent to just about anyone, ranging from hundreds, to thousands, to even millions. There's someone out there that likes Cena; as a result, they buy his merch, they order PPV's he's on, and they cheer him at live events. On the flipside, there's someone who doesn't care for him and someone who doesn't like him. These are the people that Punk's talking about: what often gets watered down on the message boards to "the marks, kids, and girls versus the real wrestling fans."
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