King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Mar 7, 2012 2:28:00 GMT -5
No you can't, Miz wrestled most of the match, even when he went under the ropes, he came back in and continued to wrestle. And did nothing significant during that time. 2 early eliminations and then a lot of kicks and punches and typical Miz stuff. Santino had 2 eliminations in the Chamber and was over as f*** with the crowd. Sorry, but for my money...I'll go with the guy who acts like he gives a damn. And that's Santino. It's the darn Royral rumble, was he supposed to put on a clinic with 9 people in the ring, come on now.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 7, 2012 2:31:33 GMT -5
Not a fan of either, but I'll have to say Santino. Miz just flat-out sucks in every way, and I don't want him on my TV.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 2:41:32 GMT -5
It's the darn Royral rumble, was he supposed to put on a clinic with 9 people in the ring, come on now. Well shit...if he's going to be in there as long as he was, I think it would be nice if he you know...contributed later on. I'd rather have someone start weak rather than finish weak. People can complain that Santino did "nothing" early on in the Chamber, but man was that crowd pretty pissed when he lost.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2012 2:57:21 GMT -5
Miz. He didn't need a puppet to get over. You're right, he needed two overused catchphrases and prior recognition on an MTV show. The MTV show was more of a hindrance than a help when you consider Miz's backstage issues. The only thing The Real World helped him with was that he got to be The Miz instead of "Farley Perkins" or "Travis O'Malley." What Santino needs to do is drop his fake accent like Kofi did, and incorporate more of his MMA skills into his moveset.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 3:15:00 GMT -5
You're right, he needed two overused catchphrases and prior recognition on an MTV show. The MTV show was more of a hindrance than a help when you consider Miz's backstage issues. The only thing The Real World helped him with was that he got to be The Miz instead of "Farley Perkins" or "Travis O'Malley." Who cares what JBL and Finlay think of you. The WWE office likes anyone who has some sort of mainstream appeal, no matter how minor it was. There was absolutely no other reason for him to be in the finals of Tough Enough, outside of the fact that Vince thought that he would appeal to those whippersnappers who watch the MTV.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 7, 2012 3:19:55 GMT -5
The MTV show was more of a hindrance than a help when you consider Miz's backstage issues. The only thing The Real World helped him with was that he got to be The Miz instead of "Farley Perkins" or "Travis O'Malley." Who cares what JBL and Finlay think of you. The WWE office likes anyone who has some sort of mainstream appeal, no matter how minor it was. There was absolutely no other reason for him to be in the finals of Tough Enough, outside of the fact that Vince thought that he would appeal to those whippersnappers who watch the MTV. Yeah, if you've been in pop culture, you're a shoe-in for the roster. Ask Rima- no, she didn't get in. Well, what about Carmella De- no, didn't work for her either. Well, K-Fed... got a couple of episodes, I think. But yeah, forget all that "wrestling" business; he only got where he is because of that reality show.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 3:25:26 GMT -5
Yeah, if you've been in pop culture, you're a shoe-in for the roster. Ask Rima- no, she didn't get in. Well, what about Carmella De- no, didn't work for her either. Well, K-Fed... got a couple of episodes, I think. But yeah, forget all that "wrestling" business; he only got where he is because of that reality show. Oh don't count Rima out yet! I wouldn't be surprised if they don't pursue her further. And Carmella...are you kidding? They pushed the hell out of her over Christy...they made it clear they wanted her to win the Diva Search. But nice choices!!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 7, 2012 3:36:40 GMT -5
Yeah, if you've been in pop culture, you're a shoe-in for the roster. Ask Rima- no, she didn't get in. Well, what about Carmella De- no, didn't work for her either. Well, K-Fed... got a couple of episodes, I think. But yeah, forget all that "wrestling" business; he only got where he is because of that reality show. Oh don't count Rima out yet! I wouldn't be surprised if they don't pursue her further. And Carmella...are you kidding? They pushed the hell out of her over Christy...they made it clear they wanted her to win the Diva Search. But nice choices!! Yes they are, thank you. If they were legitimately that up about getting Rima, she'd be here already. Hell, they didn't even wait until the end of the show to sign Ariane, who probably had never even watched a wrestling match prior to being on TE. Same goes for Carmella. Matter of fact, this argument kills the hell out of me. People (not you in particular) love to talk about how much the WWE doesn't listen to people and how they cram wrestlers down people's throats, then a case like Carmella comes across and it's like "well, the fans didn't want her, and the WWE does what the fans want, except for all the other times we say that they don't!" One or the other, please.
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Spec_Sun
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Post by Spec_Sun on Mar 7, 2012 3:46:03 GMT -5
Santino is more entertaining and has a bigger upside to me. The Miz will forever be that college frat boy looking dude that tries so hard to act like a tough guy. I think he's peaked.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Mar 7, 2012 3:51:49 GMT -5
Santino i actually find entertaining
the only thing Miz ever did that i enjoyed was at the Rumble when he left that fake tan stain on the mat, i must have laughed for 20 minutes at that
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 4:00:17 GMT -5
I thought the whole Carmella thing fizzled out because she got arrested or something...I can't remember...I don't really don't care to remember, she was awful. Anyways, it was clear that she was the favorite over Christy (who I thought at least had the enthusiasm that the fans wanted) but if WWE couldn't have it their way, then no one wins and basically went about trying to cut corners with Christy.
But then there's people like David Otunga (who I like), Candice Michelle and a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation superstars, you can't tell me that they got there on talent alone. I never said specifically that Miz got to where he was on ONLY his MTV past, but that definitely got him more than a foot in the door, and if you want to disagree with that, you can...but this is WWE we're talking about.
Again, when it was left up to the fans, they rather vote for "Mr. Wooden" Daniel Puder over Miz, which I'll admit...I don't know if that was the best choice, but that tells you how they felt about him. They bring Miz in anyways, he fumbles through some Diva segments, the crowd boo the hell out of him, and yeah...from there he does get better, but not by much.
The fact of the matter is, Miz has a handicap to his advantage over a lot of the other wrestlers. While he was never exactly a golden boy, he still was allowed more chances than others had been given. Yes, he's shown the passion that a lot of other guys show, but I don't consider him all that great in the ring, he's average on the mic, I don't think he can sell at all. The promotional stuff he does is great and it's really cool that he is that involved for the company, but again...does that mean he's entitled to being a main eventer?
Even I will admit that he had glimpses of entertainment, a lot of the time is when he has someone to play off of, but jesus...I really hate the way he's been booked. If they were ever to push him to the main event, I would have preferred if the circumstances are different. I know that WWE is fantasy and all that shit, but I look at a guy like Miz and I don't buy the fact that he should hold his own against most anyone. That doesn't mean he couldn't go far, but when you don't look the part and you don't perform on another level when it's expected of you, then change your f***ing character! Of all the heels, he's the one who has been made to look the most intense in the ring, don't forget making it to the finals of the WWE title tournament, winning cleanly along the way with an INJURED LEG!
This THIS is the stuff I cannot stand. I don't know why they decided to bring him to that level, because I don't think he brings it. And honestly, it's hard for me to give suggestions on how to fix the Miz character, because that would mean for me to completely build the character up from scratch.
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Efren
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Post by Efren on Mar 7, 2012 4:03:09 GMT -5
Santino for sure, Im not a huge fan of the character but I am of the performer, he was given a crap comedy character and performs it the best anyone could, he makes horribly scripted stuff that would make me throw a shoe at my tv actually make me chuckle a bit due his delivery, and his ring work is flawless regardless of how stupid some of his moves are.
Miz on the other hand Ive never really enjoyed.
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Post by Efren on Mar 7, 2012 4:10:41 GMT -5
I thought the whole Carmella thing fizzled out because she got arrested or something...I can't remember...I don't really don't care to remember, she was awful. Anyways, it was clear that she was the favorite over Christy (who I thought at least had the enthusiasm that the fans wanted) but if WWE couldn't have it their way, then no one wins and basically went about trying to cut corners with Christy. But then there's people like David Otunga (who I like), Candice Michelle and a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation superstars, you can't tell me that they got there on talent alone. I never said specifically that Miz got to where he was on ONLY his MTV past, but that definitely got him more than a foot in the door, and if you want to disagree with that, you can...but this is WWE we're talking about. Again, when it was left up to the fans, they rather vote for "Mr. Wooden" Daniel Puder over Miz, which I'll admit...I don't know if that was the best choice, but that tells you how they felt about him. They bring Miz in anyways, he fumbles through some Diva segments, the crowd boo the hell out of him, and yeah...from there he does get better, but not by much. The fact of the matter is, Miz has a handicap to his advantage over a lot of the other wrestlers. While he was never exactly a golden boy, he still was allowed more chances than others had been given. Yes, he's shown the passion that a lot of other guys show, but I don't consider him all that great in the ring, he's average on the mic, I don't think he can sell at all. The promotional stuff he does is great and it's really cool that he is that involved for the company, but again...does that mean he's entitled to being a main eventer? Even I will admit that he had glimpses of entertainment, a lot of the time is when he has someone to play off of, but jesus...I really hate the way he's been booked. If they were ever to push him to the main event, I would have preferred if the circumstances are different. I know that WWE is fantasy and all that s***, but I look at a guy like Miz and I don't buy the fact that he should hold his own against most anyone. That doesn't mean he couldn't go far, but when you don't look the part and you don't perform on another level when it's expected of you, then change your f***ing character! Of all the heels, he's the one who has been made to look the most intense in the ring, don't forget making it to the finals of the WWE title tournament, winning cleanly along the way with an INJURED LEG! This THIS is the stuff I cannot stand. I don't know why they decided to bring him to that level, because I don't think he brings it. And honestly, it's hard for me to give suggestions on how to fix the Miz character, because that would mean for me to completely build the character up from scratch. Brilliant.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 7, 2012 4:14:08 GMT -5
I'd freely admit that his reality TV background got him a foot in the door. My only point is that it was his determination that kept him in the company for seven, soon to be eight years, something a lot of the other celebs either didn't have or didn't have enough of.
I can agree in not liking the way he's been booked too. He's not tough, and trying to push him as some brawler doesn't make any sense. He's at his best, on the mic and as a physical character as a weasel. He's the guy you'd want if you needed a cowardly heel with a big mouth. Once Creative decided to say "screw what works" and made him all SRS for no logical reason, he began to bleed heat and charisma week after week.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 7, 2012 4:19:22 GMT -5
I'd freely admit that his reality TV background got him a foot in the door. My only point is that it was his determination that kept him in the company for seven, soon to be eight years, something a lot of the other celebs either didn't have or didn't have enough of. I can agree in not liking the way he's been booked too. He's not tough, and trying to push him as some brawler doesn't make any sense. He's at his best, on the mic and as a physical character as a weasel. He's the guy you'd want if you needed a cowardly heel with a big mouth. Once Creative decided to say "screw what works" and made him all SRS for no logical reason, he began to bleed heat and charisma week after week. This is also true. Miz really works when he's the weasel with a partner to help him out, like when he had Riley as a lackey. He seemed way more comforatable in that role.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 4:26:06 GMT -5
And that's fine that he's been passionate...that's great. I'm proud of the guy for working as hard as he has. But should passion be rewarded? That's an argument I will never understand out of people...they use the excuse that he worked hard, again...who did he work harder than? And that's the argument that kills it for me. If only they worked longer with him to get more down than the basic holds and such, he might be a lot better. I don't know...whatever I guess.
One thing that I will credit him for is, he doesn't seem to be injury prone...I remember that cage match, I thought for sure he got messed up, but the dude really can bump, it's the selling he needs to work on.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Mar 7, 2012 4:27:17 GMT -5
Santino for sure, Im not a huge fan of the character but I am of the performer, he was given a crap comedy character and performs it the best anyone could, he makes horribly scripted stuff that would make me throw a shoe at my tv actually make me chuckle a bit due his delivery, and his ring work is flawless regardless of how stupid some of his moves are. Miz on the other hand Ive never really enjoyed. Ditto to this.
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Mar 7, 2012 8:34:27 GMT -5
I feel just as confused about the sudden Miz-hate as I did about the sudden Morrison-hate that cropped up last year.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Mar 7, 2012 8:39:23 GMT -5
It's the darn Royral rumble, was he supposed to put on a clinic with 9 people in the ring, come on now. Well s***...if he's going to be in there as long as he was, I think it would be nice if he you know...contributed later on. I'd rather have someone start weak rather than finish weak. People can complain that Santino did "nothing" early on in the Chamber, but man was that crowd pretty pissed when he lost.That's why he is a face and Miz is a heel. The crowd is supposed to get pissed when Miz wins. The "Angry Miz Girl" is a perfect example of that.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 7, 2012 8:40:34 GMT -5
Miz's rumble run was pretty awful, as he didn't do anything memorable. TO be fair to him, though, very few parts of that rumble were memorable. You had Ricardo being awesome, the Cobra/Socko lock-up, and the final two having a pretty good match.
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