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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Mar 7, 2012 9:07:07 GMT -5
Santino and Undertaker have this in common: both men were saddled with a crappy gimmick and took it as their own and transcended what they were originally supposed to be. They both connect to the audience in a way that can never EVER be taught or even learned, but just happens when all the stars and planets allign just right for someone. Santino and Taker both took crap and turned it into a full course banquet.
And yes, Santino has MASSIVE skills that he doesn't break out (except in glimpses) because of the nature of the character. rest assured though, he is definitely one of the three guys in the back that you would never want to get into a shoot with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 9:13:51 GMT -5
Miz. I like Santino, but Miz is so much better.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 7, 2012 9:17:17 GMT -5
The Miz looks like he is trying too hard and has done for the back 6 months. He was great during the first half of 2010 and even up to winning the belt, but after that he fizzled. He just isnt good enough in the ring. He needs a creative ring general. Its not that he is bad in the ring, he just doesnt know how to put on a great match. Daniel Bryan has brought some great stuff out of him, but that same stuff isnt showing up in his other opponents.
Santino just has that magical ability to draw sympathy from the crowd. The moment in the Rumble where he set up the Cobra behind Del Rio was amazing.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2012 9:23:47 GMT -5
Who cares what JBL and Finlay think of you. The WWE office likes anyone who has some sort of mainstream appeal, no matter how minor it was. There was absolutely no other reason for him to be in the finals of Tough Enough, outside of the fact that Vince thought that he would appeal to those whippersnappers who watch the MTV. Yeah, if you've been in pop culture, you're a shoe-in for the roster. Ask Rima- no, she didn't get in. Well, what about Carmella De- no, didn't work for her either. Well, K-Fed... got a couple of episodes, I think. After all, he's the one put his most significant title belt around the waist of that screechy idiot from the 1-800-Call-ATT commercials! Oh, wait, Vince McMahon didn't do that? In all seriousness, though, you know that somebody is going to counter-argue this with David Otunga as their example.
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Mar 7, 2012 9:33:40 GMT -5
People might say they enjoy Santino now, but just like Miz, once he actually begins achieving things and getting attention, people will start to hate on him. By the way, I love Santino. Just calling it how I see it. Except Santino can actually back it up? He looked like a legit main eventer at Elimination Chamber in his first ever main event. That's more than Miz can say after what... 2 years of them attempting to make him a main event guy?
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Post by CM Parish on Mar 7, 2012 9:35:06 GMT -5
Santino would kick every single one of our asses in a fight. It's a shame the WWE labelled him a joke so he can't showcase his talents properly.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2012 9:46:43 GMT -5
People might say they enjoy Santino now, but just like Miz, once he actually begins achieving things and getting attention, people will start to hate on him. By the way, I love Santino. Just calling it how I see it. Except Santino can actually back it up? He looked like a legit main eventer at Elimination Chamber in his first ever main event. That's more than Miz can say after what... 2 years of them attempting to make him a main event guy? Devil's advocate here. Drew McIntyre looked like a legit main eventer after HIS performance in the Elimination Chamber, too. Where is he now?
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Mar 7, 2012 11:18:02 GMT -5
People might say they enjoy Santino now, but just like Miz, once he actually begins achieving things and getting attention, people will start to hate on him. By the way, I love Santino. Just calling it how I see it. Except Santino can actually back it up? He looked like a legit main eventer at Elimination Chamber in his first ever main event. That's more than Miz can say after what... 2 years of them attempting to make him a main event guy? Legit..... main eventer? The guy had comedy build up and a 2 minute sequence at the end of the match - if that's main event then get Kozlov back in here quickly! Seriously, Santino is great but anyone who thinks he deserves any sort of run in the main event is clearly living in a fantasy. If he ever gets the title with that stupid puppet, it will be the moment wrestling stop being entertaining. Why not just give it to the new guys as they come into the company while we're at it? Miz has a future in the upper mid card.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Mar 7, 2012 12:56:18 GMT -5
Santino entertains me so him. Always preferred Morrison to the Miz anyway and I wish we could see Morrison on Raw now a days rather than Miz constantly reminding people about main eventing WM27.
Anyway...Santino. The only time I didn't like him was when he first arrived as a face, and when he was Santina.
Miz reminds me that so many other guys didn't get a title run but he did. Whether they are in the company now, are not in the company anymore or are sitting in FCW waiting for a chance.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 7, 2012 13:00:44 GMT -5
Except Santino can actually back it up? He looked like a legit main eventer at Elimination Chamber in his first ever main event. That's more than Miz can say after what... 2 years of them attempting to make him a main event guy? Legit..... main eventer? The guy had comedy build up and a 2 minute sequence at the end of the match - if that's main event then get Kozlov back in here quickly! Seriously, Santino is great but anyone who thinks he deserves any sort of run in the main event is clearly living in a fantasy. If he ever gets the title with that stupid puppet, it will be the moment wrestling stop being entertaining. Why not just give it to the new guys as they come into the company while we're at it? Miz has a future in the upper mid card. Yeah guys who have puppets on their hand who do alot of comedy would kill the main event. I know santino is not a talent on par with foley but there's no real guidebook on being a main event guy. He could do it. The crowd loves him and he's got alot of personality. That's all you kinda need.
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Post by bob on Mar 7, 2012 13:02:55 GMT -5
I like them both but for me....
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Post by HBL on Mar 7, 2012 13:12:33 GMT -5
When I saw the title,I said: ''This is very odd,of course it's going to be Miz.'' And bam,Santino leads by 40 votes.
I really don't know what's wrong with people.Sure,Miz may bore you,but how can this many people actually be entertained by Santino? That's just such a low standard for entertainment.
I'm not trying to turn this to a Santino hate,but preferring him over Miz? Seriously? Even if you find Miz boring or whatever,Miz is the obvious choice here.He's done hell of a lot more first of all.
Miz may not be very entertaining now,but just look at it from his time with Morrison and up to now.It's just impossible not to call Miz entertaining during that period.
And I just laugh to people who say Santino is over and Miz is not.Santino is over as hell? Sure,but Miz was over as hell during his WWE title run too.And a pretty big portion of them were cheers to be honest.Currently? Of course he doesn't get the reaction he used to.For f***s sake,the last time the guy won a match was in December.
To sum it up,a guy who's been busting his ass for the company for years like nobody does,is compared and losing to a stupid comedy figure who almost hasn't done anything worthy.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 13:16:27 GMT -5
I really don't know what's wrong with people. Maybe there's nothing wrong with anyone. Maybe there's something wrong with you. Even if you find Miz boring or whatever,Miz is the obvious choice here. ...what? Your whole argument that Miz got "some amazing cheers as WWE champion...dude...no he didn't. He might have gotten people to finish his catchphrases for him, but everyone gets that. The crowd was never pro-Miz. To sum it up,a guy who's been busting his ass for the company for years like nobody does,is compared and losing to a stupid comedy figure who almost hasn't done anything worthy. Because you know...you can totally tell that he's worked so much harder with his gimmick than Santino has. HOW IS THIS AN ARGUMENT? As far as Santino doing anything worthy, he has had some of the best segments over the last several years...people will remember the Honky-Meter...people will remember the Tea Party...people won't remember Miz dressing up as Rock and doing a lame beatdown.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 7, 2012 13:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by klapaucius on Mar 7, 2012 13:22:44 GMT -5
When I saw the title,I said: ''This is very odd,of course it's going to be Miz.'' And bam,Santino leads by 40 votes. I really don't know what's wrong with people.Sure,Miz may bore you,but how can this many people actually be entertained by Santino? That's just such a low standard for entertainment. I'm not trying to turn this to a Santino hate,but preferring him over Miz? Seriously? Even if you find Miz boring or whatever,Miz is the obvious choice here.He's done hell of a lot more first of all. Miz may not be very entertaining now,but just look at it from his time with Morrison and up to now.It's just impossible not to call Miz entertaining during that period. And I just laugh to people who say Santino is over and Miz is not.Santino is over as hell? Sure,but Miz was over as hell during his WWE title run too.And a pretty big portion of them were cheers to be honest.Currently? Of course he doesn't get the reaction he used to.For f***s sake,the last time the guy won a match was in December. To sum it up,a guy who's been busting his ass for the company for years like nobody does,is compared and losing to a stupid comedy figure who almost hasn't done anything worthy. u mad?
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Post by BigWill on Mar 7, 2012 13:27:40 GMT -5
Lmao.
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Post by HBL on Mar 7, 2012 13:31:21 GMT -5
My point is,I never said ''SANTINO IS TERRIBLY UNFUNNY AND SUCKS IN THE RING.'' I just stated that I dislike him as a comedy figure.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 7, 2012 13:34:03 GMT -5
My point is,I never said ''SANTINO IS TERRIBLY UNFUNNY AND SUCKS IN THE RING.'' I just stated that I dislike him as a comedy figure. No, you started off by basically saying, "What's wrong with you people? You should like what I like!"
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Post by PKO on Mar 7, 2012 13:37:46 GMT -5
This is an odd thread!
In general I am much more entertained by Santino than Miz, so I voted for him. I like both though.
I do have to say I am a bit perplexed by this board turning on Miz in the past few months. He's gone from the majority of the board liking him to disliking him with no real turning point (which is quite like Morrison last year actually). The only thing I haven't liked about him recently was the attempt to make him look dangerous, attacking Morrison and Truth which is really not the character he should be playing.
Then again Santino has gone from being disliked to loved to disliked to loved again.
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Post by HBL on Mar 7, 2012 13:38:04 GMT -5
My point is,I never said ''SANTINO IS TERRIBLY UNFUNNY AND SUCKS IN THE RING.'' I just stated that I dislike him as a comedy figure. No, you started off by basically saying, "What's wrong with you people? You should like what I like!" I'll admit being kinda marky there,but this just wrong,for me at least.Miz was a main eventer for months,held the tag and U.S titles at the same time,and won the WWE Championship.I know that this annoys some people,but he worked hard. Also,if this comparison was made last year,I assure it would be the exact opposite.
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