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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 26, 2012 1:15:08 GMT -5
Listening to the LAW again tonight (I'm not sure why I still do since their smarky know-it-all attitude has gotten on my nerves now for a while) and the topic of how great this Daniel Bryan/AJ stuff has been when Dan "The Mouth" Lovranski said that it's good because it means it keeps AJ out of the ring and pretty much implies that she can't run the ropes nor can she wrestle.
This really annoyed me since it just seems to me to be another case of someone talking out of their ass without actually seeing actual matches of someone instead of 30 second squashes, but I have to ask the question, are there actually people out there who think that AJ sucks as a wrestler?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 26, 2012 1:20:08 GMT -5
Listening to the LAW again tonight (I'm not sure why I still do since their smarky know-it-all attitude has gotten on my nerves now for a while) and the topic of how great this Daniel Bryan/AJ stuff has been when Dan "The Mouth" Lovranski said that it's good because it means it keeps AJ out of the ring and pretty much implies that she can't run the ropes nor can she wrestle. This really annoyed me since it just seems to me to be another case of someone talking out of their ass without actually seeing actual matches of someone instead of 30 second squashes, but I have to ask the question, are there actually people out there who think that AJ sucks as a wrestler? I like the Law, but they're obsessed with the Ropes thing.
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Post by norsisclouds on Mar 26, 2012 1:21:10 GMT -5
I don't think she sucks but I don't think she's as great as many people think...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 1:21:26 GMT -5
Joshi fans possibly, just given the state of the divas division AJ is hardly up to scratch in those comparisons. That and people who just hate the Divas division, which I can understand in a way, someone once said on here 'no matter how many talented female wrestlers you have, if they're treated like trash they may as well be trash.'
To me she's alright, sells well, works her arse off, and is one of the better lesser-experienced divas with the company.
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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 26, 2012 1:21:57 GMT -5
Not sure what to make of that really. Ok she's not a ring general but to imply she can't at least "go" in the ring is somewhat short sighted.
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Post by salsashark on Mar 26, 2012 1:23:01 GMT -5
Does she really have problems running the ropes? Never heard of that before.
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Post by norsisclouds on Mar 26, 2012 1:25:02 GMT -5
Joshi fans possibly, just given the state of the divas division AJ is hardly up to scratch in those comparisons. That and people who just hate the Divas division, which I can understand in a way, someone once said on here 'no matter how many talented female wrestlers you have, if they're treated like trash they may as well be trash.' To me she's alright, sells well, works her arse off, and is one of the better lesser-experienced divas with the company. It's probably this really. She's definitely better than most of their women, but have you seen that division? I don't think she deserves to be derided for her wrestling ability though--it's her strongest asset, especially compared to other women on the roster. BUT they don't book their female talent based on their wrestling skills, unless they think they can use them to put over their more marketable divas...so it doesn't really matter how good she is in a division like that. Unfortunately this comparison affects the way that fans view all of the female wrestlers in the company. Added to that, her match against a Bella last week was terrible where she botched the crossbody, and even though AJ is better than most of the women on the roster the only thing that people will remember is the botch--take it from a Lita fan, they aren't going to think about all of the other things she brings to the table. As a woman she's getting held to a higher measuring stick of approval in WWE partly because of the way they book and treat women that look like her.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Mar 26, 2012 1:28:30 GMT -5
apparently Booker doesnt think shes can wrestler
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 1:31:14 GMT -5
apparently Booker doesnt think shes can wrestler Hell, you can just make that into apparently Booker doesn't think and it'd apply to most threads on this forum.
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Mar 26, 2012 1:32:35 GMT -5
I think she's quite good in the ring. With her small size and flexibility, she has the ability to sell for her opponents very well. It's almost like a female Dolph Ziggler type quality. She sells Beth's Glam Slam like DEATH! When Natalya put her in the Sharpshooter and twisted her like a pretzel, it looked painful!
I think she has that going for her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 1:33:48 GMT -5
AJ can wrestle. I'd say in the Divas division she's more like a "Kofi Kingston" on the pole than a Khali. What I mean by that is Kofi's basically someone who can wrestle well but he isn't a Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart or even a Randy Orton. He's good at what he does and he has his moments. AJ's sort of the same thing. She's no Beth Phoenix or Natalya but she's a good wrestler. She sure might have botched before but that's what happens with ring rust and the fact that you aren't doing much in there. I'd say out of the lesser experienced Divas she's the best personally.
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Post by keezy on Mar 26, 2012 1:54:35 GMT -5
She needs to work on her timing, she did a diving crossbody on a recent Smackdown that looked like she fell over.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 26, 2012 2:10:56 GMT -5
I think she's hot, and I've enjoyed her work in this angle with Daniel Bryan. But I wasn't impressed by any of her work I've seen in the ring.
She's not much better or worse than Kelly or the Bella Twins, from what I've seen.
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Post by Krimzon on Mar 26, 2012 2:13:34 GMT -5
All I know is that AJ & Naomi had the best Divas match of the Modern Era on NXT, and it's sad as hell that neither one is a top condender in the division.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Mar 26, 2012 2:17:03 GMT -5
I don't think she sucks but I don't think she's as great as many people think... This right here.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 26, 2012 2:28:26 GMT -5
I think she's hot, and I've enjoyed her work in this angle with Daniel Bryan. But I wasn't impressed by any of her work I've seen in the ring. She's not much better or worse than Kelly or the Bella Twins, from what I've seen. Pretty much. People tend to give her a LOT more leeway because her gimmick is she's a "hot nerd girl", but truthfully, she's average at best in the ring.
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Post by Krimzon on Mar 26, 2012 2:29:16 GMT -5
She's not much better or worse than Kelly or the Bella Twins, from what I've seen. Then you haven't seen a whole lot. She's so much better than Kelly or the Bella Twins, by a LARGE margin. The best Kelly Kelly match is watchable. The best AJ match is one of the best women's matches on WWE TV in the last several years.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 26, 2012 2:57:09 GMT -5
Finally watched that AJ v Naomi match... it was definitely pretty good (especially since they managed to get compliments out of Cole during his "Bury anything with a vagina" phase, but you all already know how I feel about that).
As for AJ right now... I think the best is yet to come from her and Bryan.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 26, 2012 4:30:47 GMT -5
She's been wrestling for almost five years and had about almost two years experience when she was signed in May 2009. People might think she's a crap wrestler because she's small, wasn't a "popular" indy name when signed and most of her matches since re-debuting back in June are only about a minute long. Compared a one minute match to her stuff in the indies, FCW or NXT.
*sigh* I really wish management took their heads out of their asses and gave the divas a chance. There's a lot of them who can pull out a great match when given time. AJ vs. Naomi, Lay-Cool vs. Beth Phoenix and Natalya at TLC, Beth Phoenix vs. Tamina. Those are examples of diva matches in the past two years that the crowd enjoyed because the women were allowed to show off their skill in over two minutes.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 26, 2012 6:41:10 GMT -5
I think plenty of people already hit it right on the head, particularly KN and Heartbreaker, but lemme also say this: there's always somebody who thinks anyone can't wrestle. There's still people that say John Cena can't wrestle. Save for a select few, if they're a mainstream wrestler, there's always at least one person that thinks they can't work.
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