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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 1, 2012 23:09:33 GMT -5
Just an awful match. It made Bryan look bad. It made Sheamus look bad. It devalued the title. It killed the crowd. No one and nothing looked good coming out of it. And the argument that "well, at least he got a big cheque" isn't a valid point. If Sheamus and Bryan were given the time and had a great match, then they would of made more money over a longer period of time. Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin and The Rock didn't make millions of dollars in 1 night, they made millions over the years. It's short sighted to think otherwise. Who would want to watch Sheamus or Bryan now? Are you willing to pay another $60+ to see them possibly do that again? I know I'm not. It also hurt every match for the next hour. It was actually impressive when you think about it. How can we do as much damage as humanly possible to Wrestlemania without shutting the show down completely. It is a lesson learned though. Matches like that can kill crowds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 23:10:34 GMT -5
I hope they realized how badly they f***ed up when the crowd was chanting for Bryan long after he went to the back and during 2 other matches he wasn't even involved in. It's never a good thing when your fans rebel like that. Knowing WWE, it'll happen again in the rematch and they'll make it Bryan's gimmick that he always instantly loses until people stop caring about him. Though really, at least it kind of worked for Bryan's character. Sheamus is the one really hurt by this I think - he didn't come off as some heroic face shutting the loudmouth up, and it put a dark cloud over what should have been his big moment.
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 1, 2012 23:11:23 GMT -5
I went in expecting Sheamus to win, was prepared for that. Just would have liked to see a wrestling match. This. My favorite wrestler was booked for a match, I paid to see it. I got 18 seconds of nothing.
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Post by woowoowoox on Apr 1, 2012 23:33:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I thought it was awesome and I don't care for either of them.
Besides, it's not the be all, end all. I'm sure they'll have some great rematches in the future.
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 1, 2012 23:35:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I thought it was awesome and I don't care for either of them. Besides, it's not the be all, end all. I'm sure they'll have some great rematches in the future. That's the thing. WrestleMania is supposed to be more important than those other events. The best match should've happened here.
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 1, 2012 23:35:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I thought it was awesome and I don't care for either of them. Besides, it's not the be all, end all. I'm sure they'll have some great rematches in the future. It's Wrestlemania, that is the problem. It doesn't matter about future rematches, what will be remembered about this feud is that the year after the same two guys were bumped from Mania, they had an 18 second match which consisted of one move. Don't give the divas match that nobody gives a damn about 6-7 minutes when you can't even give the best wrestler in the WWE 30 seconds.
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Post by kyromax on Apr 1, 2012 23:37:09 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan got a bigger pop than Sheamus,Orton, Kane, the entire Johnny/Tedd match, Big Show, and Cody. Not too mention his name was chanted through out every match up till Taker/HHH.
Sheamus and D-Bry both deserved better, and could have had one of the better matched on the card.
rnrk I just do not take your opinion seriosuly anymore. You always slam D-bry, and think Sheamus is great.
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Post by Objection! on Apr 1, 2012 23:53:05 GMT -5
It's like I was discussing with a friend, Bryan gets his ass handed to him along with a bundle of excuses and the deepest chip on his shoulder to fester in his character for years to come. He was humiliated on Wrestling's biggest stage. Believe me, that will pay dividends to his characters in years to come. It's just a great story.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 1, 2012 23:59:36 GMT -5
Count me in with those who think this was a terrible idea/match. I went from being extremely excited about WrestleMania to not caring one way or the other in no time flat. I think Sheamus is in the Randy Orton territory of boring, but he deserved better than that. Bryan definitely deserved more.
When I order the "biggest show of the year", I don't want to see crap like this. It's expensive for PPV's (as we all know), so something like this just makes you feel ripped-off. It was a joke and a slap in the face for the fans and the guys involved, in my humble opinion.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 2, 2012 0:00:44 GMT -5
It's like I was discussing with a friend, Bryan gets his ass handed to him along with a bundle of excuses and the deepest chip on his shoulder to fester in his character for years to come. He was humiliated on Wrestling's biggest stage. Believe me, that will pay dividends to his characters in years to come. It's just a great story. Great story... WWE Pick one because they never seem to happen at the same time.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 2, 2012 0:01:23 GMT -5
It's like I was discussing with a friend, Bryan gets his ass handed to him along with a bundle of excuses and the deepest chip on his shoulder to fester in his character for years to come. He was humiliated on Wrestling's biggest stage. Believe me, that will pay dividends to his characters in years to come. It's just a great story. This. I completely understand why people are so upset, but it's like when DB cashed in on Big Show. You gotta give it time.
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Post by flatsdomino on Apr 2, 2012 0:03:00 GMT -5
It's like I was discussing with a friend, Bryan gets his ass handed to him along with a bundle of excuses and the deepest chip on his shoulder to fester in his character for years to come. He was humiliated on Wrestling's biggest stage. Believe me, that will pay dividends to his characters in years to come. It's just a great story. Agreed. I thought it was a good, shocking way to start off the show, oddly enough. Can totally understand why people would hate it though. But it made something that probably wouldn't have been that memorable otherwise, even with a really great match, memorable.
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Post by tennesseetitan on Apr 2, 2012 0:08:03 GMT -5
It was awesome.
We all pretty much expected a great, long fought match, NOBODY seen that coming. I thought it was a great way to start the show off. If you wanted to see a killed crowd, what if Kane/Orton kicked off the show followed by a long-fought DB/Sheamus match? I don't see how Sheamus' win sucked the life out of the crowd when there was a pretty long string of boring ass matches. I thought it was an excellent idea and it was evident the pop for the title change, something unexpected in a product that almost seems unable to do that anymore!
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Post by Sc on Apr 2, 2012 0:09:19 GMT -5
It was awesome. We all pretty much expected a great, long fought match, NOBODY seen that coming. I thought it was a great way to start the show off. If you wanted to see a killed crowd, what if Kane/Orton kicked off the show followed by a long-fought DB/Sheamus match? I don't see how Sheamus' win sucked the life out of the crowd when there was a pretty long string of boring ass matches. I thought it was an excellent idea and it was evident the pop for the title change, something unexpected in a product that almost seems unable to do that anymore! I agree, it was awesome. I was laughing just thinking about what the reactions on here would be.
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 2, 2012 0:10:19 GMT -5
Initially, I was pissed at the finish because I thought the crappy skit and performances cost it to go short. But with the rumor that it was intentionally booked this way, I'm f***ing furious. I wanted them to open the show so they could have 15 minutes to showcase their talents and win some new fans that might be seeing them for the 1st time. But that finish? Bullshit. Danielson isn't Honky Tonk Man, Sheamus isn't the Warrior (Warrior), the WHC in theory should be more valuable than the IC Title & this isn't 1988. Just nauseating, & I'm not gonna pay for a rematch
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 2, 2012 0:12:39 GMT -5
It was awesome. We all pretty much expected a great, long fought match, NOBODY seen that coming. I thought it was a great way to start the show off. If you wanted to see a killed crowd, what if Kane/Orton kicked off the show followed by a long-fought DB/Sheamus match? I don't see how Sheamus' win sucked the life out of the crowd when there was a pretty long string of boring ass matches. I thought it was an excellent idea and it was evident the pop for the title change, something unexpected in a product that almost seems unable to do that anymore! It sucked the life out of the crowd because they were f***ing pissed off. You know what nobody else would see coming? Doink the Clown running in and costing Sheamus the match. Should that have happened too? At least when it happened with Chavo/Kane, nobody gives a shit about Chavo (at least the crowd doesn't) so in the end, nobody cared.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 2, 2012 0:13:57 GMT -5
I haven't read the previous 5 pages, so I apologize if my opinion ends up sounding like a broken record, but my problem with the match was simple. It benefited no one. It made both guys look like a joke, it made the championship look like a joke, and for those of you who think it gave the Royal Rumble some cred, think again, because it made that look like a joke too. "You too can outlast 29 other men only to curtain jerk in an 18 second squash!" Frankly, Bryan beating Sheamus clean would've done less damage to the Rumble. I'm sure we'll see some storyline progression from this, and I have no doubt we'll see one or more rematches between the two, which will probably be excellent, but that's not really the point. This is the show where it's supposed to count. This is the show where more than just the main audience is watching and new fans are made by introducing an outside audience to the guys you've been building for the past year. And had these two been able to wrestle an actual 10-15 minute match, I have no doubt that at least some new fan watching would've said "hey, these guys are pretty good, I should watch the show more often." But when they did the exact opposite of that, they created the exact opposite reaction, probably along the lines of "Wow, that little guy is pathetic, and that big guy didn't really seem that interesting. I guess that title (and by extension, the show) isn't very important". Not exactly the reaction you want to get out of potential viewers. But I can almost promise you that's what happened tonight. It just flat out benefited nothing and no one. Not Bryan, not Sheamus, not the World Heavyweight Championship, not the Royal Rumble, and not even the WWE itself. It was just a waste. Period.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 2, 2012 0:14:23 GMT -5
It was awesome. We all pretty much expected a great, long fought match, NOBODY seen that coming. I thought it was a great way to start the show off. If you wanted to see a killed crowd, what if Kane/Orton kicked off the show followed by a long-fought DB/Sheamus match? I don't see how Sheamus' win sucked the life out of the crowd when there was a pretty long string of boring ass matches. I thought it was an excellent idea and it was evident the pop for the title change, something unexpected in a product that almost seems unable to do that anymore! It sucked the life out of the crowd because they were f***ing pissed off. You know what nobody else would see coming? Doink the Clown running in and costing Sheamus the match. Should that have happened too? At least when it happened with Chavo/Kane, nobody gives a s*** about Chavo (at least the crowd doesn't) so in the end, nobody cared. Pretty much. Unexpected does NOT always equal "good". Especially since it pissed the crowd off and got the face booed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 0:14:31 GMT -5
It's like I was discussing with a friend, Bryan gets his ass handed to him along with a bundle of excuses and the deepest chip on his shoulder to fester in his character for years to come. He was humiliated on Wrestling's biggest stage. Believe me, that will pay dividends to his characters in years to come. It's just a great story. This. I completely understand why people are so upset, but it's like when DB cashed in on Big Show. You gotta give it time. While I'm open to the idea of this leading to something greater than it is now, Wrestlemania just is not the show to plant seeds for the future. Or at least in my opinion it really shouldn't be. WWE tells us Wrestlemania is its be all and end all, and in fairness they do deliver on at least one stellar match or moment each year, but when they aren't going for broke they are shitting the bed in a huge way. This is just not how to book a pay per view match. You don't give something like this to a paying customer, it just doesn't make sense to me. Especially to start the show? I just don't get how a company can book something like that for any reason but to either spite select fans, or to add to their self fulfilling prophecy that Daniel Bryan isn't good enough.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 2, 2012 0:21:49 GMT -5
I saw the match, or at least a gif of it (which is essentially the same thing), and it just made me shake my head. Basically Bryan was made to look like a total scrub and Sheamus like a cheater who only the belt by pure fluke by attacking while Bryan was distracted. Neither man benefited from the result.
What was so wrong with giving these two time to put on a star making performance on the biggest stage of them all? How can you do that when you just have Sheamus essentially sucker punch the guy? It's even worse considering he's supposed to be the babyface in this whole thing not to mention all the people that were behind Bryan. So you basically pissed them all off as well as did absolutely nothing for either man.
Yeah, it's probably setting up a rematch, but why do that at Wrestlemania? This is supposed to be where all of your big storylines come to an end; not just another plot point. People pay to see a final conclusion and they should get just that.
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